From nozy@mozysswamp.org Mon Nov 1 02:13:17 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:13:17 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Update Kernal on WB In-Reply-To: <4181F35B.5090502@uni-konstanz.de> References: <1098939920.6220.35.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <1042.192.168.0.3.1098951719.squirrel@192.168.0.3> <1098972571.3817.29.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <4181F35B.5090502@uni-konstanz.de> Message-ID: <1099275197.3936.131.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-RzGCEYCiUidxrS4eYy9C Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FAQ of WB ? can see it ? On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:38, Kay Diederichs wrote: > Michael Falzon wrote: > > Hi > > > > > >>/What are the symptoms exactly? > >>/ > >> > > OK with 2.4.26 X she boots X11 load logon and X dies with this > > this is for the x logs > > > > GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 135 (): error 'No such > > process' during 'pthread_getschedparam (pthread_self(), &policy, &sched)' > > aborting... > > > > the problem is that your self-compiled 2.4.26 kernel has no TLS support (the > vanilla 2.4 series simply does not have it), whereas the RedHat kernels have it. > > Remedy: remove or rename the directory /lib/tls - this will make X (and other > stuff) work nicely. Also, keep in mind that whenever you update glibc you need > to take care of /lib/tls . > > In case you have a Nvidia card and use the NVIDIA driver, you must install it > with --force-tls=classic > > Basically, the problem is a FAQ on this list. > > Kay See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-RzGCEYCiUidxrS4eYy9C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 FAQ of WB ? can see it ?

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:38, Kay Diederichs wrote:
Michael Falzon wrote:
> Hi
>  
> 
>>/What are the symptoms exactly?
>>/
>>
> OK with 2.4.26 X she boots X11 load logon and X dies with this
> this is for the x logs
> 
> GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 135 (): error 'No such 
> process' during 'pthread_getschedparam (pthread_self(), &policy, &sched)'
> aborting...
> 

the problem is that your self-compiled 2.4.26 kernel has no TLS support (the 
vanilla 2.4 series simply does not have it), whereas the RedHat kernels have it.

Remedy: remove or rename the directory /lib/tls - this will make X (and other 
stuff) work nicely. Also, keep in mind that whenever you update glibc you need 
to take care of /lib/tls .

In case you have a Nvidia card and use the NVIDIA driver, you must install it 
with --force-tls=classic

Basically, the problem is a FAQ on this list.

Kay

See BUG.  "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" 
A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it.


Michael Falzon (RHCT) 
Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs
http://mozysswamp.org
Registered LFS User   #406
Registered Linux User #204397
--=-RzGCEYCiUidxrS4eYy9C-- From liverbird89@hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 03:16:12 2004 From: liverbird89@hotmail.com (Graham Waring) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:16:12 +1000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Boot Error after recompile Message-ID: G'day Ray, Someone may have already pointed this out and my oppologies for repeating this, but looking at your grub.conf, for your new kernel you have put a "-" and not "=" in your "hdg=ide-scsi" parameter. Upon boot, if you can arrow down and boot successfully to the original kernel which has the "hdg=ide=scsi" parameter then it would be my first suggestion to change the "-" to a "=". Hope it helps. Cheers Graham >From: Ray >To: whitebox-users@beau.org >Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Boot Error after recompile >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:23:38 -0700 > > > >Ok I redid a recompile and now when I reboot >I get: "File not found /bzImage2.4.21 ro root=LABEL=/ hdg=ide=scsi" > > I double and tripled checked my /boot directory and my syntax >and I don't understand why I'm getting this error. >my grub.conf file: > ># grub.conf generated by anaconda ># ># Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this >file ># NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that ># all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. ># root (hd1,0) ># kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hdf2 ># initrd /initrd-version.img >#boot=/dev/hde >default=0 >timeout=10 >splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz >title White Box Enterprise Linux (2.4.21-15.EL) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.21-15.EL ro root=LABEL=/ hdg=ide-scsi > initrd /initrd-2.4.21-15.EL.img > > > >title White Box 3 > root (hd1,0) > kernel /bzImage2.4.21 ro root=LABEL=/ hdg=ide=scsi > initrd /thirdinitrd-image > >title DOS > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > >I'm following the directions in the 'Red Hat Linux Bible' (Fedora and >Enterprise edition) on page 970 >and page 65(Grub). > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?pedro_ca=F1adilla?= Mon Nov 1 09:55:14 2004 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?pedro_ca=F1adilla?= (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?pedro_ca=F1adilla?=) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:55:14 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] OpenOffice RPM dependencies problem In-Reply-To: <200410311520.39960.javanree@vanree.net> References: <200410311520.39960.javanree@vanree.net> Message-ID: <1f440f1a041101015560b12b80@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Updating with yum also needs the package openoffice.org-style-gnome. It has a very tiny size. Regards, P.C. On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:20:39 +0100, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote: > I just installed openoffice. However it seems some dependencies are > incorrect : > > # sudo rpm -i openoffice.org-1.1.0-16.14.EL.i386.rpm > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-16.14.EL.i386.rpm > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-16.14.EL.i386.rpm > > warning: openoffice.org-1.1.0-16.14.EL.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, > key ID 73307de6 > error: Failed dependencies: > /usr/lib/openoffice/program/getstyle-gnome is needed by > openoffice.org-1.1.0-16.14.EL > /usr/lib/openoffice/program/msgbox-gnome is needed by > openoffice.org-1.1.0-16.14.EL > Suggested resolutions: > openoffice.org-1.1.0-16.7.EL.i386.rpm > > or is this because of the new > openoffice.org-style-gnome-1.1.0-16.9.EL.i386.rpm package (which I assumed > wasn't needed in my situation since I use KDE) ? > -- > Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ > VanReeDotNet IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From javanree@mail.vanree.net Mon Nov 1 12:27:23 2004 From: javanree@mail.vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:27:23 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] WB host behind linksys router can't see out (or in) In-Reply-To: References: <3861c6770410301941328c4af7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041101122723.GA10805@mail.vanree.net> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 08:14:13PM -0700, jim stockford wrote: > > I don't think jumping up and down is required--I find > hiccuping works. I'm afraid not to turn around, though > and haven't tried omitting that step. > > Somewhere in the rats nest of the GUI I saw DNS fields > empty, so I entered > 192.168.1.1 > 64. > > > golly, now I can see out and make google work. > > QUESTION: either the 192.168.1.1 is wrong or the others, > I guess one day I might stumble on the GUI again and could > wipe out 192.168.1.1 or the other two and see for myself, > but I'll know sooner if someone tells me. All DNS servers are listed in /etc/resolv.conf , just edit it using vi or some other editor and forget about any GUI ;) -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From javanree@mail.vanree.net Mon Nov 1 12:41:55 2004 From: javanree@mail.vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:41:55 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] OpenOffice RPM dependencies problem In-Reply-To: <1f440f1a041101015560b12b80@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410311520.39960.javanree@vanree.net> <1f440f1a041101015560b12b80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041101124155.GA11070@mail.vanree.net> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:14AM +0100, pedro cańadilla wrote: > Hi, > > Updating with yum also needs the package openoffice.org-style-gnome. > It has a very tiny size. Then something is broken wrt the dependencies, as it never asked for that particulair RPM... I'll have a look in the SRPM SPEC file tonight.... -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From jkunkel@laurcat.com Mon Nov 1 15:36:58 2004 From: jkunkel@laurcat.com (Jim Kunkel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:36:58 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] startup control Message-ID: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C4BFF6.5570C390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In RedHat distros that I have used, processes that start at boot time = are enabled/disabled by a utility, "ntsysv" What is the corresponding utility in WBEL? TIA, jk ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C4BFF6.5570C390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In RedHat distros that I have used, = processes that=20 start at boot time are enabled/disabled by a utility, = "ntsysv"
 
What is the corresponding utility in=20 WBEL?
 
TIA,
jk
------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C4BFF6.5570C390-- From jim@well.com Mon Nov 1 16:26:00 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:26:00 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] WB host behind linksys router can't see out (or in) In-Reply-To: <20041101122723.GA10805@mail.vanree.net> Message-ID: THANK YOU! On Monday, Nov 1, 2004, at 04:27 US/Pacific, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 08:14:13PM -0700, jim stockford wrote: >> >> I don't think jumping up and down is required--I find >> hiccuping works. I'm afraid not to turn around, though >> and haven't tried omitting that step. >> >> Somewhere in the rats nest of the GUI I saw DNS fields >> empty, so I entered >> 192.168.1.1 >> 64. >> >> >> golly, now I can see out and make google work. >> >> QUESTION: either the 192.168.1.1 is wrong or the others, >> I guess one day I might stumble on the GUI again and could >> wipe out 192.168.1.1 or the other two and see for myself, >> but I'll know sooner if someone tells me. > > All DNS servers are listed in /etc/resolv.conf , just edit it using vi > or some other editor and forget about any GUI ;) > -- > Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ > VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From grahamp@wsieurope.com Mon Nov 1 16:26:08 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:26:08 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] startup control In-Reply-To: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> References: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> Message-ID: <418663A0.5050807@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050302060200080605030408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always used chkconfig myself. I've use RedHat for years and never heard of ntsysv. but you live and learn. Jim Kunkel wrote: > In RedHat distros that I have used, processes that start at boot time > are enabled/disabled by a utility, "ntsysv" > > What is the corresponding utility in WBEL? > > TIA, > jk --------------050302060200080605030408 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------050302060200080605030408-- From grahamp@wsieurope.com Mon Nov 1 16:49:17 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:49:17 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] startup control In-Reply-To: <418667E2.8070501@zope.com> References: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> <418663A0.5050807@wsieurope.com> <418667E2.8070501@zope.com> Message-ID: <4186690D.3080901@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070502050108080607010905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So now I've learned. So the answer is - use redhat-config-services which have been the prefered tools since RH9 locate redhat-config and see the plethora of other useful tools. Hope this helps. Thanks Tres for the history lesson :) Graham Tres Seaver wrote: > Graham Purcocks wrote: > >> I've always used chkconfig myself. I've use RedHat for years and never >> heard of ntsysv. but you live and learn. > > > 'ntsysv' was a console GUI application, similar to the X-based > 'redhat-config-services' GUI. > >> Jim Kunkel wrote: >> >>> In RedHat distros that I have used, processes that start at boot time >>> are enabled/disabled by a utility, "ntsysv" >>> >>> What is the corresponding utility in WBEL? > > > # uname -a > Linux xyz.example.com 2.4.21-15.0.4.EL #1 Wed Aug 4 13:47:17 EDT 2004 > i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > [root@xyz root]# rpm -qi ntsysv > Name : ntsysv Relocations: (not relocatable) > Version : 1.3.11 Vendor: whiteboxlinux.org > Release : 0.3 Build Date: Tue 14 Sep 2004 > 02:33:39 PM EDT > Install Date: Mon 20 Sep 2004 06:06:40 AM EDT Build Host: > bob.whiteboxlinux.org > Group : System Environment/Base Source RPM: > chkconfig-1.3.11-0.3.src.rpm > Size : 19737 License: GPL > Signature : DSA/SHA1, Thu 16 Sep 2004 08:15:06 PM EDT, Key ID > ae52a76d73307de6Summary : A tool to set the stop/start of system > services in a runlevel. > Description : > Ntsysv provides a simple interface for setting which system services > are started or stopped in various runlevels (instead of directly > manipulating the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d). Unless you > specify a runlevel or runlevels on the command line (see the man > page), ntsysv configures the current runlevel (5 if you're using X). > > > Try 'yum install ntsysv'. > > Tres. --------------070502050108080607010905 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------070502050108080607010905-- From WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info Mon Nov 1 17:11:59 2004 From: WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info (Bernie Hoefer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> Message-ID: <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel J. Summers wrote: === > Maybe so - but at this point, it's too late. The addresses are out > there, cached and shared. I don't think that a change to this list > would in any way curb the amount of spam that its subscribers receive. === True, not any of the current subscribers with their current e-mail addresses. But new subscribers and those who can change their subscription e-mail addresses would benefit. Just five hours ago I received another spam to the address I use soley for the WBEL mailing lists. I've already changed my address once from "WBEL-User..." and am thinking of changing it again to "WBEL-User03..." - -- Bernie Hoefer PGP e-mail is welcome. Get my 1024 bit signature key from: . "The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not understand." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBhm5WckGmqURqb5MRAuPxAJwIp6mUCwFNN58kHkmydIoUL9TucQCdHAFm P1KMDdeBdrvTuJA52xHg1e8= =/qvS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Mon Nov 1 23:12:18 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:12:18 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] startup control In-Reply-To: <4186690D.3080901@wsieurope.com> References: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> <418663A0.5050807@wsieurope.com> <418667E2.8070501@zope.com> <4186690D.3080901@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <1099350738.21813.4.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:49 +0000, Graham Purcocks wrote: > So now I've learned. > > So the answer is - > > use > > redhat-config-services > I continue to use chkconfig ... i mean, how hard is: chkconfig --list mysql or chkconfig --level 2345 mysql on chkconfig --level 016 mysql off {most of my servers don't have GUI installed...heck, most don't even have a monitor or keyboard :), and chkconfig works well enough that I don't need to install a GUI, monitor, keyboard and mouse and use redhat-config-services} > which have been the prefered tools since RH9 > > locate redhat-config > > and see the plethora of other useful tools. > > Hope this helps. > > Thanks Tres for the history lesson :) > > Graham > > Tres Seaver wrote: > > Graham Purcocks wrote: > > > >> I've always used chkconfig myself. I've use RedHat for years and never > >> heard of ntsysv. but you live and learn. > > > > > > 'ntsysv' was a console GUI application, similar to the X-based > > 'redhat-config-services' GUI. > > > >> Jim Kunkel wrote: > >> > >>> In RedHat distros that I have used, processes that start at boot time > >>> are enabled/disabled by a utility, "ntsysv" > >>> > >>> What is the corresponding utility in WBEL? > > > > > > # uname -a > > Linux xyz.example.com 2.4.21-15.0.4.EL #1 Wed Aug 4 13:47:17 EDT 2004 > > i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > > [root@xyz root]# rpm -qi ntsysv > > Name : ntsysv Relocations: (not relocatable) > > Version : 1.3.11 Vendor: whiteboxlinux.org > > Release : 0.3 Build Date: Tue 14 Sep 2004 > > 02:33:39 PM EDT > > Install Date: Mon 20 Sep 2004 06:06:40 AM EDT Build Host: > > bob.whiteboxlinux.org > > Group : System Environment/Base Source RPM: > > chkconfig-1.3.11-0.3.src.rpm > > Size : 19737 License: GPL > > Signature : DSA/SHA1, Thu 16 Sep 2004 08:15:06 PM EDT, Key ID > > ae52a76d73307de6Summary : A tool to set the stop/start of system > > services in a runlevel. > > Description : > > Ntsysv provides a simple interface for setting which system services > > are started or stopped in various runlevels (instead of directly > > manipulating the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d). Unless you > > specify a runlevel or runlevels on the command line (see the man > > page), ntsysv configures the current runlevel (5 if you're using X). > > > > > > Try 'yum install ntsysv'. > > > > Tres. ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Mon Nov 1 23:16:49 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:16:49 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> Message-ID: <1099351009.21808.8.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 12:11 -0500, Bernie Hoefer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daniel J. Summers wrote: > === > > Maybe so - but at this point, it's too late. The addresses are out > > there, cached and shared. I don't think that a change to this list > > would in any way curb the amount of spam that its subscribers receive. > === > True, not any of the current subscribers with their current e-mail > addresses. But new subscribers and those who can change their > subscription e-mail addresses would benefit. > Just five hours ago I received another spam to the address I use > soley for the WBEL mailing lists. I've already changed my address once > from "WBEL-User..." and am thinking of changing it again to > "WBEL-User03..." > > - -- > Bernie Hoefer I hate to be a stick in the mud, but as soon as one of the list members get a virus (and several of them have), the spam guys get all our e-mail addresses anyway. I have SpamAssassin running on my mail server, which deletes all but 1 or 2 spam e-mails per month. ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From doobeh@thefort.org Mon Nov 1 23:17:20 2004 From: doobeh@thefort.org (Anthony Plunkett) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:17:20 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> Message-ID: <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> Bernie Hoefer wrote: > True, not any of the current subscribers with their current e-mail >addresses. But new subscribers and those who can change their >subscription e-mail addresses would benefit. > Just five hours ago I received another spam to the address I use >soley for the WBEL mailing lists. I've already changed my address once >from "WBEL-User..." and am thinking of changing it again to >"WBEL-User03..." > > > How about setting a simple filter on your beau.org emails? If your inbound account is solely used for beau purposes, set a simple filter like "If subject doesnt contain [WBEL-users]" bin, or if CC: to From: != beau then bin too. I realise it would be better if the email's weren't parseable from the pages and something should be done for the future members of the list, but really dealing with spam is pretty trivial thesedays. Anthony Plunkett. "If we can't play God, who will?" From dave@58ghz.net Mon Nov 1 23:24:24 2004 From: dave@58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:24:24 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> Message-ID: <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Changing the way the list is managed is *not* going to have any significant impact on the amount spam you receive. Maybe we should drop this subject... On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 17:17, Anthony Plunkett wrote: > Bernie Hoefer wrote: > > > True, not any of the current subscribers with their current e-mail > >addresses. But new subscribers and those who can change their > >subscription e-mail addresses would benefit. > > Just five hours ago I received another spam to the address I use > >soley for the WBEL mailing lists. I've already changed my address once > >from "WBEL-User..." and am thinking of changing it again to > >"WBEL-User03..." > > > > > > > How about setting a simple filter on your beau.org emails? If your inbound account is solely used for beau purposes, set a simple filter like "If subject doesnt contain [WBEL-users]" bin, or if CC: to From: != beau then bin too. I realise it would be better if the email's weren't parseable from the pages and something should be done for the future members of the list, but really dealing with spam is pretty trivial thesedays. > > Anthony Plunkett. > > > "If we can't play God, who will?" > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From emorrison@ncen.org Tue Nov 2 00:25:11 2004 From: emorrison@ncen.org (Ed Morrison) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:25:11 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Still killing me softly with mon In-Reply-To: <1095196883.8837.69.camel@whited.northcentralcounties.org> Message-ID: <004e01c4c072$6c7d9230$54c077cc@northcentralcounties.org> Hi Everyone, Sorry it's taken so long to reply to those of you that have helped me with my mon problems, life interfered with my ability to deal with this for awhile. Anyway, I have attached a guide (I use the term loosely) to show how to install mon. I have no doubts that those of you who helped me do not need this. I'm tired of being a consumer of everyone else's thought power and hard work and post this as a way of contributing to the list. I hope this helps someone out there that might be interested in running mon to watch their network. That said, I no longer use the web interface for this and I have not included any web configuration for it. Ed If there is any interest I will do the same for MRTG..... I performed a minimal install of WBEL as described by Johnny Hughes Jr. with the exception of adding the gcc compiler tools at installation. Johnny's Guide can be found at: http://www.hughesjr.com/content/view/27/30/Guides Once the installation and upgrade are complete: cd /usr/local/src/ wget http://linux.voyager.hr/fping/fping-2.2b1-1.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh fping-2.2b1-1.i386.rpm cp /usr/sbin/fping /usr/bin perl -MCPAN -e 'install Time::HiRes' cd /root/.cpan/builds/Time-HiRes* (the current version of Time-HiRes) unset LANG ; perl Makefile.PL make make install perl -MCPAN -e 'install Time::Period' perl -MCPAN -e 'install Convert::BER' perl -MCPAN -e 'install Mon::SNMP' cd /usr/lib/ wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/admin/mon/mon-0.99.2.tar.gz tar -zvxf mon-0.99.2.tar.gz rm mon-*.tar.gz mv mon-* mon cd mon mkdir /usr/lib/mon/log.d mkdir /etc/mon cp etc/example.cf /etc/mon/mon.cf vi /etc/mon/mon.cf Modify the mon configuration for your network environment and add all the hosts you are going to monitor to your hosts file. For autostart of mon on boot up: vi /etc/rc.local /usr/lib/mon/mon To manually start mon /usr/lib/mon/mon From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Tue Nov 2 02:17:47 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:17:47 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Advanced LAMP configuration(s) Message-ID: <1099361867.21808.38.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 08:37 -0500, Dave Nuttall wrote: > I’ve been experimenting with WBEL 3.0 for 10+ days and have no > philosophical differences with the basic premise of a highly > reliable/stable production quality distro. > > > > However, it seems like some serious advances in the LAMP model will be > still further down the road while we wait for RHEL to catch up. In > my view, I can support going quite slowly with regard to the kernel, > but see no reason why moving to MySQL 4.x and a PHP version > 4.3.2 > couldn’t be mashed on top of WBEL without causing serious harm. But > DOING it is quite another matter, at least in my recent experiments. > > > > My experiments have been base-lined using HughesJR.com’s “minimal > install” suggestions plus “yum update” with whatever comes with the > most vanilla installation. > > > > That leaves numerous missing “devel” packages, but that’s life and > I’ve been able to ferret those that are missing by starting with a > fresh-from-Fedora-development SRPM for httpd-2.0.52. > > > > I can reach a point where I can build, install and run Apache 2.0.52 > on the “minimal install PLUS”. Its not hard, but quite time > consuming! > > > > My next success was taking the SRPM for MySQL 4.0.20 from mysql.com > and compiling it. Again, No problem, although some packages for perl, > etc. have to be added before it builds correctly/completely. > > > > But the last step(s) have nearly driven to drink. Those steps are > building PHP 4.3.9, again using a SRPM from Fedora development. > > > > If you actually try to do this on your systems, by now you’ll already > know that there are mandatory updates to packages such as “pcre” and > “apr” that are required. Also, you have to move from “file-3*” to > “file-4*”, etc, etc, etc. > > > > All this leads me to think that “somewhere” there must be some kind of > document/knowledge collection that “maps” the hierarchical nature of > all these many interdependent RHEL/Fedora/WBEL, etc. packages. > > > > If you have a recipe to solve this “dilemma” I’ve created for myself > and/or know where to find the package relationship map, I would be > eternally grateful if you’d share that with me, either privately or > publically. > > > > TIA. > > Dave Nuttall > > San Antonio, TX I have been working on this issue, and I have completed the following components for those who want try some newer stuff: httpd-2.0.52-3 php-5.0.2-1.EL MySQL-4.1.7-0 Details on how to compile them yourself and how to install are on my forum: http://www.hughesjr.com/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,65/page,viewtopic/t,8/#27 I don't necessarily intend to maintain these programs by doing security updates, although the complete build process including all dependencies required to build each SRPM is included in the forum. ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From offline.2800382@bloglines.com Tue Nov 2 02:49:43 2004 From: offline.2800382@bloglines.com (offline.2800382@bloglines.com) Date: 2 Nov 2004 02:49:43 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Evolution 2.0 Message-ID: <1099363783.916067219.28725.sendItem@bloglines.com> Is there a yum repository anywhere that is A) faster than the current molasses-in-januray defaults, and B) has evolution-2.0.2 in it somewhere? From WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info Tue Nov 2 04:42:24 2004 From: WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info (Bernie Hoefer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:42:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> Message-ID: <41871030.2050409@TheMoreIKnow.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anthony Plunkett wrote: === > How about setting a simple filter on your beau.org emails? If your === Thanks for the suggestion. That is essentially what I'm doing now. Again, the spam problem isn't so bad I'm wailing and grinding my teeth. I just saw Thomas Knoop's posting on Friday, October 29, 2004 09:08:37 +0200 requesting the e-mail archives have the e-mail addresses munged, and thought I'd post a "me too" message. - -- Bernie Hoefer PGP e-mail is welcome. Get my 1024 bit signature key from: . "The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not understand." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBhxAqckGmqURqb5MRAraHAJ9j9DnNUbUwkBJwp5GK/cwrfjG/bgCgkB0A i1c4K6LitOiZ5ryw4AJD5ZU= =804x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info Tue Nov 2 04:51:01 2004 From: WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info (Bernie Hoefer) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:51:01 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Message-ID: <41871235.3060507@TheMoreIKnow.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: === > Changing the way the list is managed is *not* going to have any > significant impact on the amount spam you receive. Maybe we should drop > this subject... === Well, it was only a suggestion; one that a few of the subscribers seem to share. I am thankful for the time, energy and resources the Beauregard Parish Library & John Morris has put into WBEL. He can run the list however he sees fit. Consider the subject dropped. - -- Bernie Hoefer PGP e-mail is welcome. Get my 1024 bit signature key from: . "The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not understand." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBhxIgckGmqURqb5MRAoLsAKCWTGkxHQh1Gkp/zUcaUCrLWutZHQCfY4Zb pvumXDBED49+tWroW3HQp6U= =KwIG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Tue Nov 2 05:00:59 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:00:59 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Evolution 2.0 In-Reply-To: <1099363783.916067219.28725.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1099363783.916067219.28725.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <1099371659.21808.46.camel@Myth.home.local> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 02:49 +0000, offline.2800382@bloglines.com wrote: > Is there a yum repository anywhere that is A) faster than the current molasses-in-januray > defaults, and B) has evolution-2.0.2 in it somewhere? I don't have a yum repository .. and I don't have evolution 2.0.2 compiled (yet). I am looking at evolution 2.0.2 right now ... and it requires upgrades to several GNOME components (to at least version 2.4) as well as mozilla 1.7.3 to compile. I will work on compiling evolution 2.0.2-3 and see how it goes ... but I think a full upgrade to GNOME 2.4 may be required. That would be a very significant change for WBEL that is probably not practical. ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From psychoelmo Tue Nov 2 07:09:59 2004 From: psychoelmo (psychoelmo) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:09:59 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: <41871235.3060507@TheMoreIKnow.info> References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41871235.3060507@TheMoreIKnow.info> Message-ID: with the giga-wars in the free email business, i'd suggest picking up a gmail account for mailing lists, and only them (there's plenty of sites offering invites w/o a catch). a gig of storage, message threading, and easy searches, can't really beat it for list mail. the ads? hardly notice them. most threads are longer than the first screen, and the ads (text only) are only "above the fold". i find it a great place to stash high-volume lists like debian's. their spam filters aren't bad, they miss some though. they'll improve over time, i suppose. most of the spam is actually sent to a list, not to my address itself. i also like that i can look and google through old list mails at home or at work. a heck of a lot easier than digging through the actual list archive itself, especially if you're looking for something but dont remember exactly which list it was in. but i dread the time i have to go back and clean out old mail to make room for more. they haven't implemented an easy way to delete quantities of mail yet. (got a few months to go before i run out of space though :) From grahamp@wsieurope.com Tue Nov 2 10:22:11 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:22:11 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] startup control In-Reply-To: <1099350738.21813.4.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <032501c4c028$a033a320$6301a8c0@lc> <418663A0.5050807@wsieurope.com> <418667E2.8070501@zope.com> <4186690D.3080901@wsieurope.com> <1099350738.21813.4.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <41875FD3.1040102@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010607010909030101050508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True but the user asked for a replacement for a GUI version which there is. I also use chkconfig but some like the confort of tools. Redhat provide a load of them and all knowledge is useful. Its up the the user which they want to use. Johnny Hughes wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 16:49 +0000, Graham Purcocks wrote: > >>So now I've learned. >> >>So the answer is - >> >>use >> >>redhat-config-services >> > > I continue to use chkconfig ... i mean, how hard is: > > chkconfig --list mysql > > or > > chkconfig --level 2345 mysql on > chkconfig --level 016 mysql off > > {most of my servers don't have GUI installed...heck, most don't even > have a monitor or keyboard :), and chkconfig works well enough that I > don't need to install a GUI, monitor, keyboard and mouse and use > redhat-config-services} > > >>which have been the prefered tools since RH9 >> >>locate redhat-config >> >>and see the plethora of other useful tools. >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Thanks Tres for the history lesson :) >> >>Graham >> >>Tres Seaver wrote: >> >>>Graham Purcocks wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I've always used chkconfig myself. I've use RedHat for years and never >>>>heard of ntsysv. but you live and learn. >>> >>> >>>'ntsysv' was a console GUI application, similar to the X-based >>>'redhat-config-services' GUI. >>> >>> >>>>Jim Kunkel wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In RedHat distros that I have used, processes that start at boot time >>>>>are enabled/disabled by a utility, "ntsysv" >>>>> >>>>>What is the corresponding utility in WBEL? >>> >>> >>># uname -a >>>Linux xyz.example.com 2.4.21-15.0.4.EL #1 Wed Aug 4 13:47:17 EDT 2004 >>>i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux >>>[root@xyz root]# rpm -qi ntsysv >>>Name : ntsysv Relocations: (not relocatable) >>>Version : 1.3.11 Vendor: whiteboxlinux.org >>>Release : 0.3 Build Date: Tue 14 Sep 2004 >>>02:33:39 PM EDT >>>Install Date: Mon 20 Sep 2004 06:06:40 AM EDT Build Host: >>>bob.whiteboxlinux.org >>>Group : System Environment/Base Source RPM: >>>chkconfig-1.3.11-0.3.src.rpm >>>Size : 19737 License: GPL >>>Signature : DSA/SHA1, Thu 16 Sep 2004 08:15:06 PM EDT, Key ID >>>ae52a76d73307de6Summary : A tool to set the stop/start of system >>>services in a runlevel. >>>Description : >>>Ntsysv provides a simple interface for setting which system services >>>are started or stopped in various runlevels (instead of directly >>>manipulating the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d). Unless you >>>specify a runlevel or runlevels on the command line (see the man >>>page), ntsysv configures the current runlevel (5 if you're using X). >>> >>> >>>Try 'yum install ntsysv'. >>> >>>Tres. > > ----------------------- > Johnny Hughes > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------010607010909030101050508 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------010607010909030101050508-- From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Tue Nov 2 12:26:27 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 06:26:27 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Evolution 2.0 In-Reply-To: <1099371659.21808.46.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <1099363783.916067219.28725.sendItem@bloglines.com> <1099371659.21808.46.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <1099398387.21813.52.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 23:00 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 02:49 +0000, offline.2800382@bloglines.com wrote: > > Is there a yum repository anywhere that is A) faster than the current molasses-in-januray > > defaults, and B) has evolution-2.0.2 in it somewhere? > > I don't have a yum repository .. and I don't have evolution 2.0.2 > compiled (yet). > > I am looking at evolution 2.0.2 right now ... and it requires upgrades > to several GNOME components (to at least version 2.4) as well as mozilla > 1.7.3 to compile. > > I will work on compiling evolution 2.0.2-3 and see how it goes ... but I > think a full upgrade to GNOME 2.4 may be required. That would be a very > significant change for WBEL that is probably not practical. Having played with this further, there are several GNOME components that need to be at least 2.4 level, a couple others that need to be GNOME 2.6 level and a couple others that need to be GNOME 2.8 level. Installing GNOME 2.8 on WBEL 3 is not practical ... you would have to basically upgrade it to Fedora Core 3 ... so you might as well install Fedora Core 3. I'll continue to play with it and see if I can get a hodge-podge of only the GNOME components required to install Evolution-2.0.2 to build and run together, but I don't think it will work. I've been wrong before though :) Johnny Hughes From rgm@htt-consult.com Tue Nov 2 13:12:36 2004 From: rgm@htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:12:36 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041102081159.0545e4a0@localhost> So who wants to contribute the WB user description? http://www.newsforge.com/articles/04/10/30/1322227.shtml?tid=149 From jean.lee@free.fr Tue Nov 2 13:36:19 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:36:19 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Where to start with an SSH server ? Message-ID: <41878D53.4090905@free.fr> Hello, I want to implement a corporate ftp server using ssh. Is OpenSSH a good choice ? Do I have to use sshd or sshd_ftpserver ? Where can I find a good documentation and tutorial for it ? I'm new and I would like to understand how it works and not only how to use it. More genrally, I am quite new to the network, file sharing over internet and security problems and I would like to understand the differences between FTP, SSH, TLS secured FTP, Kerberos, S/Keys, VPN, (Why not FTP over VPN if it exists) and all the others that I don't know.... Is there any existing documentation which explains the general usage of these protocols and makes a comparison of usage, security and the application (and why not make a comparison of avalaible binaries for each)? Yes I know : I ask a lot :) but I'm a bit lost with all these abreviations. Thanks for any help, Jean Lee From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Jean Lee wrote: > Hello, > > I want to implement a corporate ftp server using ssh. > Is OpenSSH a good choice ? > Do I have to use sshd or sshd_ftpserver ? > Where can I find a good documentation and tutorial for it ? I'm new and > I would like to understand how it works and not only how to use it. > > More genrally, I am quite new to the network, file sharing over internet > and security problems and I would like to understand the differences > between FTP, SSH, TLS secured FTP, Kerberos, S/Keys, VPN, (Why not FTP > over VPN if it exists) and all the others that I don't know.... Is > there any existing documentation which explains the general usage of > these protocols and makes a comparison of usage, security and the > application (and why not make a comparison of avalaible binaries for each)? > Yes I know : I ask a lot :) but I'm a bit lost with all these abreviations. > > Thanks for any help, Jean, The ssh (Secure SHell) daemon that comes with Redhat and Whitebox linux also handles sftp (Secure File Transfer Protocol) and scp (Secure CoPy) protocol. sftp is a good way to securely move or copy files back and forth across a network. The major problem with ftp is that the user name and password are sent "in the clear", meaning non-encrypted. This means that anybody running a sniffer on the network can get your user name and password, as well as whatever files you're transmitting or receiving. sftp encrypts the user name, password, and the file data, so you should be safe. And the beauty of it is, you won't have to install any new software on your linux box, as it comes installed by default! You *do* need to make two changes to the configuration file, to make sure that your ssh daemon is secure. You'll need to open /etc/ssh/sshd_config and find the line that looks like: # Protocol 2,1 and change it to look like Protocol 2 This is because ssh protocol 1 has serious flaws and is insecure. The other line that you should change is: # PermitRootLogin yes and change it to look like PermitRootLogin no This will keep out folks trying to hack your root login over the internet. Once you've made these two changes and saved them, restart your ssh daemon with the command: service sshd restart And you should be set. WinSCP is a very good Windows sftp/scp client that I use all the time to access my linux server. It's great for copying files, and can be found at: http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ About the best ssh client (basically a secure telnet replacement) is called PuTTY, and can be found at: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ These are my favorite ways of accessing my server securely. Hope this helps! Ben From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Tue Nov 2 16:42:11 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:42:11 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041102081159.0545e4a0@localhost> Message-ID: <003e01c4c0fa$e6d544f0$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> Newer converts to WBEL are mainly former Red Hat 9 users who felt like they'd been dumped on prom night and for whom Red's cousin, Fedora, seemed like too much of a wild child to take to the party. L3K --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From reblair@operamail.com Tue Nov 2 16:35:18 2004 From: reblair@operamail.com (Robert E. Blair ) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:35:18 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Update Kernal on WB Message-ID: <20041102163524.0F9C92B2B86@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> For the 2.6 kernels you need to address issues related to modules. Modules make a major change from 2.4 to 2.6 (even the extension changers from .o to .ko). If you want to be able to boot either you need to take several steps: 1) you need to upgrade your modutils (FC2 modutils is a plugin replacement for the WB3 one and will work with both old and new - 2.4 or 2.6 - kernels. If you follow this route you will find that the 2.4 kernels use a legacy /etc/modules.conf and the 2.6 use /etc/modprobe.conf. 2) Some of the primary modules change names (keyboard, etc. as well as usb controllers). This means you need to hack the /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit to deal with these changes on a per kernel basis. 3) For 2.6 the /proc file system is partly replaced by the /sys file system so again some per kernel customization is required. If this doesn't scare you off then I have included my /etc/rc.sysinit /etc/fstab and /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt as examples (remember to make the /sys mountpoint i.e. mkdir /sys). ============= /etc/rc.sysinit ======================== #!/bin/bash # # /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit - run once at boot time # # Taken in part from Miquel van Smoorenburg's bcheckrc. # # Rerun ourselves through initlog if [ -z "$IN_INITLOG" -a -x /sbin/initlog ]; then exec /sbin/initlog $INITLOG_ARGS -r /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit fi # If we're using devfs, start devfsd now - we need the old device names [ -e /dev/.devfsd -a -x /sbin/devfsd ] && /sbin/devfsd /dev HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/network ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/network fi if [ -z "$HOSTNAME" -o "$HOSTNAME" = "(none)" ]; then HOSTNAME=localhost fi # Mount /proc (done here so volume labels can work with fsck) mount -n -t proc /proc /proc # for 2.6 mount /sys kver=`uname -r|awk '{print substr($1, 0, 3)}'` if [ $kver = "2.6" ] ; then mount -n -t sysfs /sys /sys fi . /etc/init.d/functions HOSTTYPE=`uname -m` if [ "$HOSTTYPE" != "s390" -a "$HOSTTYPE" != "s390x" ]; then last=0 for i in `LC_ALL=C grep '^[0-9].*respawn:/sbin/mingetty' /etc/inittab | sed 's/^.* tty\([0-9][0-9]*\).*/\1/g'`; do > /dev/tty$i last=$i done if [ $last -gt 0 ]; then > /dev/tty$((last+1)) > /dev/tty$((last+2)) fi fi if [ "$CONSOLETYPE" = "vt" -a -x /sbin/setsysfont ]; then echo -n "Setting default font ($SYSFONT): " /sbin/setsysfont if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then success else failure fi echo ; echo fi # Print a text banner. echo -en $"\t\tWelcome to " if LC_ALL=C grep -q "Red Hat" /etc/redhat-release ; then [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" ] && echo -en "\\033[0;31m" echo -en "Red Hat" [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" ] && echo -en "\\033[0;39m" PRODUCT=`sed "s/Red Hat \(.*\) release.*/\1/" /etc/redhat-release` echo " $PRODUCT" else PRODUCT=`sed "s/ release.*//g" /etc/redhat-release` echo "$PRODUCT" fi if [ "$PROMPT" != "no" ]; then echo -en $"\t\tPress 'I' to enter interactive startup." echo fi # Fix console loglevel if [ -n "$LOGLEVEL" ]; then /bin/dmesg -n $LOGLEVEL fi # Start the graphical boot, if necessary; /usr may not be mounted yet, so we # may have to do this again after mounting RHGB_STARTED=0 mount -n /dev/pts # Unmount the initrd, if necessary if LC_ALL=C fgrep -q /initrd /proc/mounts && ! LC_ALL=C fgrep -q /initrd/loopfs /proc/mounts ; then if [ -e /initrd/dev/.devfsd ]; then umount /initrd/dev fi umount /initrd /sbin/blockdev --flushbufs /dev/ram0 >/dev/null 2>&1 fi if fgrep rhgb /proc/cmdline > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi # Configure kernel parameters update_boot_stage RCkernelparam action $"Configuring kernel parameters: " sysctl -e -p /etc/sysctl.conf # Set the system clock. update_boot_stage RCclock ARC=0 SRM=0 UTC=0 if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/clock ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/clock # convert old style clock config to new values if [ "${CLOCKMODE}" = "GMT" ]; then UTC=true elif [ "${CLOCKMODE}" = "ARC" ]; then ARC=true fi fi CLOCKDEF="" CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --hctosys" case "$UTC" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --utc" CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (utc)" ;; no|false) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --localtime" CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (localtime)" ;; esac case "$ARC" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --arc" CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (arc)" ;; esac case "$SRM" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --srm" CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (srm)" ;; esac /sbin/hwclock $CLOCKFLAGS action $"Setting clock $CLOCKDEF: `date`" date if [ "$CONSOLETYPE" = "vt" -a -x /bin/loadkeys ]; then KEYTABLE= KEYMAP= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/console/default.kmap ]; then KEYMAP=/etc/sysconfig/console/default.kmap else if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/keyboard ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/keyboard fi if [ -n "$KEYTABLE" -a -d "/lib/kbd/keymaps" ]; then KEYMAP="$KEYTABLE.map" fi fi if [ -n "$KEYMAP" ]; then # Since this takes in/output from stdin/out, we can't use initlog if [ -n "$KEYTABLE" ]; then echo -n $"Loading default keymap ($KEYTABLE): " else echo -n $"Loading default keymap: " fi loadkeys $KEYMAP < /dev/tty0 > /dev/tty0 2>/dev/null && \ success $"Loading default keymap" || failure $"Loading default keymap" echo fi fi # Set the hostname. update_boot_stage RChostname action $"Setting hostname ${HOSTNAME}: " hostname ${HOSTNAME} # Only read this once. cmdline=$(cat /proc/cmdline) # Initialize USB controller and HID devices update_boot_stage RCusb usb=0 aliases=`/sbin/modprobe -c | awk '/^alias usb-controller/ { print $3 }'|sort -u` if ! strstr "$cmdline" nousb ; then if [ $kver = "2.4" ];then if ! LC_ALL=C grep -q "usb" /proc/devices 2>/dev/null ; then if [ -n "$aliases" -a "$aliases" != "off" ]; then modprobe usbcore fi for alias in $aliases ; do [ "$alias" = "off" ] && continue action $"Initializing USB controller ($alias): " modprobe $alias done [ $? -eq 0 -a -n "$aliases" ] && usb=1 fi if [ $usb = 1 -a ! -f /proc/bus/usb/devices ]; then action $"Mounting USB filesystem: " mount -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb fi else if LC_ALL=C grep -q "usb" /proc/devices 2>/dev/null ; then # fedora core 2 reports usb in the device list but still needs # the modules loaded usb=1 for alias in $aliases ; do [ "$alias" = "off" ] && continue action $"Initializing USB controller ($alias): " modprobe $alias done [ $? -ne 0 -o -z "$aliases" ] && usb=0 fi if [ $usb = 1 -a ! -f /sys/bus/usb/devices ]; then action $"Mounting USB filesystem: " mount -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /sys/bus/usb fi fi needusbstorage= if [ $usb = "1" ]; then if [ $kver = "2.4" ]; then needusbstorage=`LC_ALL=C grep -e "^I.*Cls=08" /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null` LC_ALL=C grep 'hid' /proc/bus/usb/drivers || action $"Initializing USB HID interface: " modprobe hid 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB keyboard: " modprobe keybdev 2> /dev/null action $"Initializing USB mouse: " modprobe mousedev 2> /dev/null else needusbstorage=`LC_ALL=C grep -e "^I.*Cls=08" /sys/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null` fi fi fi if [ -f /fastboot ] || strstr "$cmdline" fastboot ; then fastboot=yes fi if [ -f /fsckoptions ]; then fsckoptions=`cat /fsckoptions` fi if [ -f /forcefsck ] || strstr "$cmdline" forcefsck ; then fsckoptions="-f $fsckoptions" elif [ -f /.autofsck ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 1 fi echo $"Your system appears to have shut down uncleanly" AUTOFSCK_TIMEOUT=5 [ -f /etc/sysconfig/autofsck ] && . /etc/sysconfig/autofsck if [ "$AUTOFSCK_DEF_CHECK" = "yes" ]; then AUTOFSCK_OPT=-f fi if [ "$PROMPT" != "no" ]; then if [ "$AUTOFSCK_DEF_CHECK" = "yes" ]; then if /sbin/getkey -c $AUTOFSCK_TIMEOUT -m $"Press N within %d seconds to not force file system integrity check..." n ; then AUTOFSCK_OPT= fi else if /sbin/getkey -c $AUTOFSCK_TIMEOUT -m $"Press Y within %d seconds to force file system integrity check..." y ; then AUTOFSCK_OPT=-f fi fi echo else # PROMPT not allowed if [ "$AUTOFSCK_DEF_CHECK" = "yes" ]; then echo $"Forcing file system integrity check due to default setting" else echo $"Not forcing file system integrity check due to default setting" fi fi fsckoptions="$AUTOFSCK_OPT $fsckoptions" fi if [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" ]; then fsckoptions="-C $fsckoptions" else fsckoptions="-V $fsckoptions" fi _RUN_QUOTACHECK=0 ROOTFSTYPE=`awk '/ \/ / && ($3 !~ /rootfs/) { print $3 }' /proc/mounts` if [ -z "$fastboot" -a "X$ROOTFSTYPE" != "Xnfs" ]; then STRING=$"Checking root filesystem" echo $STRING initlog -c "fsck -T -a / $fsckoptions" rc=$? if [ "$rc" = "0" ]; then success "$STRING" echo elif [ "$rc" = "1" ]; then passed "$STRING" echo fi # A return of 2 or higher means there were serious problems. if [ $rc -gt 1 ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 1 fi failure "$STRING" echo echo echo $"*** An error occurred during the file system check." echo $"*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot" echo $"*** when you leave the shell." str=$"(Repair filesystem)" PS1="$str \# # "; export PS1 sulogin echo $"Unmounting file systems" umount -a mount -n -o remount,ro / echo $"Automatic reboot in progress." reboot -f elif [ "$rc" = "1" ]; then _RUN_QUOTACHECK=1 fi fi # Possibly update quotas if fsck was run on /. LC_ALL=C grep -E '[[:space:]]+/[[:space:]]+' /etc/fstab | \ awk '{ print $4 }' | \ LC_ALL=C grep -q quota _ROOT_HAS_QUOTA=$? if [ X"$_RUN_QUOTACHECK" = X1 -a \ "$_ROOT_HAS_QUOTA" = "0" -a \ -x /sbin/quotacheck ]; then if [ -x /sbin/convertquota ]; then if [ -f /quota.user ]; then action $"Converting old user quota files: " \ /sbin/convertquota -u / && rm -f /quota.user fi if [ -f /quota.group ]; then action $"Converting old group quota files: " \ /sbin/convertquota -g / && rm -f /quota.group fi fi action $"Checking root filesystem quotas: " /sbin/quotacheck -nug / fi if [ -x /sbin/isapnp -a -f /etc/isapnp.conf -a ! -f /proc/isapnp ]; then # check for arguments passed from kernel if ! strstr "$cmdline" nopnp ; then PNP=yes fi if [ -n "$PNP" ]; then action $"Setting up ISA PNP devices: " /sbin/isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf else action $"Skipping ISA PNP configuration at users request: " /bin/true fi fi # Remount the root filesystem read-write. update_boot_stage RCmountfs state=`awk '/ \/ / && ($3 !~ /rootfs/) { print $4 }' /proc/mounts` [ "$state" != "rw" ] && \ action $"Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode: " mount -n -o remount,rw / # LVM initialization if [ -f /etc/lvmtab ]; then [ -e /proc/lvm ] || modprobe lvm-mod > /dev/null 2>&1 if [ -e /proc/lvm -a -x /sbin/vgchange ]; then action $"Setting up Logical Volume Management:" /sbin/vgscan && /sbin/vgchange -a y fi fi # Start up swapping. update_boot_stage RCswap action $"Activating swap partitions: " swapon -a -e # Clear mtab > /etc/mtab # Remove stale backups rm -f /etc/mtab~ /etc/mtab~~ # Enter root, /proc and (potentially) /proc/bus/usb and devfs into mtab. mount -f / mount -f /proc # for 2.6 mount /sys if [ $kver = "2.6" ] ; then mount -f /sys [ -f /sys/bus/usb/devices ] && mount -f -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /sys/bus/usb else [ -f /proc/bus/usb/devices ] && mount -f -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb fi mount -f /dev/pts [ -e /dev/.devfsd ] && mount -f -t devfs devfs /dev # The root filesystem is now read-write, so we can now log # via syslog() directly.. if [ -n "$IN_INITLOG" ]; then IN_INITLOG= fi if ! strstr "$cmdline" nomodules && [ -f /proc/modules ] ; then USEMODULES=y fi unamer=`uname -r` # Our modutils don't support it anymore, so we might as well remove # the preferred link. rm -f /lib/modules/preferred /lib/modules/default if [ -x /sbin/depmod -a -n "$USEMODULES" ]; then # If they aren't using a recent sane kernel, make a link for them if ! strstr $unamer - ; then ktag="`cat /proc/version`" mtag=`LC_ALL=C grep -l "$ktag" /lib/modules/*/.rhkmvtag 2> /dev/null` if [ -n "$mtag" ]; then mver=`echo $mtag | sed -e 's,/lib/modules/,,' -e 's,/.rhkmvtag,,' -e 's,[ ].*$,,'` fi if [ -n "$mver" ]; then ln -sf /lib/modules/$mver /lib/modules/default fi fi if [ -L /lib/modules/default ]; then INITLOG_ARGS= action $"Finding module dependencies: " depmod -A default else INITLOG_ARGS= action $"Finding module dependencies: " depmod -A fi fi # tweak isapnp settings if needed. if [ -n "$PNP" -a -f /proc/isapnp -a -x /sbin/sndconfig ]; then /sbin/sndconfig --mungepnp >/dev/null 2>&1 fi # Load sound modules if and only if they need persistent DMA buffers if LC_ALL=C grep -q "options sound dmabuf=1" /etc/modules.conf 2>/dev/null ; then alias=`/sbin/modprobe -c | awk '/^alias sound / { print $3 }'` if [ -n "$alias" -a "$alias" != "off" ]; then action $"Loading sound module ($alias): " modprobe sound fi alias=`/sbin/modprobe -c | awk '/^alias sound-slot-0 / { print $3 }'` if [ -n "$alias" -a "$alias" != "off" ]; then action $"Loading sound module ($alias): " modprobe sound-slot-0 fi fi if [ -f /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe ]; then if [ -n "$USEMODULES" ]; then sysctl -w kernel.modprobe="/sbin/modprobe" >/dev/null 2>&1 sysctl -w kernel.hotplug="/sbin/hotplug" >/dev/null 2>&1 else # We used to set this to NULL, but that causes 'failed to exec' messages" sysctl -w kernel.modprobe="/bin/true" >/dev/null 2>&1 sysctl -w kernel.hotplug="/bin/true" >/dev/null 2>&1 fi fi # Load modules (for backward compatibility with VARs) if [ -f /etc/rc.modules ]; then /etc/rc.modules fi update_boot_stage RCraid if [ -f /etc/raidtab ]; then # Add raid devices [ -f /proc/mdstat ] || modprobe md >/dev/null 2>&1 if [ -f /proc/mdstat ]; then echo -n $"Starting up RAID devices: " rc=0 for i in `awk '{if ($1=="raiddev") print $2}' /etc/raidtab` do RAIDDEV=`basename $i` RAIDSTAT=`LC_ALL=C grep "^$RAIDDEV : active" /proc/mdstat` if [ -z "$RAIDSTAT" ]; then # First scan the /etc/fstab for the "noauto"-flag # for this device. If found, skip the initialization # for it to avoid dropping to a shell on errors. # If not, try raidstart...if that fails then # fall back to raidadd, raidrun. If that # also fails, then we drop to a shell RESULT=1 INFSTAB=`LC_ALL=C grep -c "^$i" /etc/fstab` if [ $INFSTAB -eq 0 ] ; then RESULT=0 RAIDDEV="$RAIDDEV(skipped)" fi NOAUTO=`LC_ALL=C grep "^$i" /etc/fstab | LC_ALL=C grep -c "noauto"` if [ $NOAUTO -gt 0 ]; then RESULT=0 RAIDDEV="$RAIDDEV(skipped)" fi if [ $RESULT -gt 0 -a -x /sbin/raidstart ]; then /sbin/raidstart $i RESULT=$? fi if [ $RESULT -gt 0 -a -x /sbin/raid0run ]; then /sbin/raid0run $i RESULT=$? fi if [ $RESULT -gt 0 -a -x /sbin/raidadd -a -x /sbin/raidrun ]; then /sbin/raidadd $i /sbin/raidrun $i RESULT=$? fi if [ $RESULT -gt 0 ]; then rc=1 fi echo -n "$RAIDDEV " else echo -n "$RAIDDEV " fi done echo # A non-zero return means there were problems. if [ $rc -gt 0 ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 1 fi echo echo echo $"*** An error occurred during the RAID startup" echo $"*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot" echo $"*** when you leave the shell." str=$"(RAID Repair)" PS1="$str \# # "; export PS1 sulogin echo $"Unmounting file systems" umount -a mount -n -o remount,ro / echo $"Automatic reboot in progress." reboot -f fi # LVM initialization, take 2 (it could be on top of RAID) if [ -e /proc/lvm -a -x /sbin/vgchange -a -f /etc/lvmtab ]; then action $"Setting up Logical Volume Management:" /sbin/vgscan && /sbin/vgchange -a y fi fi fi if [ -x /sbin/devlabel ]; then /sbin/devlabel restart fi _RUN_QUOTACHECK=0 # Check filesystems if [ -z "$fastboot" ]; then STRING=$"Checking filesystems" echo $STRING initlog -c "fsck -T -R -A -a $fsckoptions" rc=$? if [ "$rc" = "0" ]; then success "$STRING" echo elif [ "$rc" = "1" ]; then passed "$STRING" echo fi # A return of 2 or higher means there were serious problems. if [ $rc -gt 1 ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 1 fi failure "$STRING" echo echo echo $"*** An error occurred during the file system check." echo $"*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot" echo $"*** when you leave the shell." str=$"(Repair filesystem)" PS1="$str \# # "; export PS1 sulogin echo $"Unmounting file systems" umount -a mount -n -o remount,ro / echo $"Automatic reboot in progress." reboot -f elif [ "$rc" = "1" -a -x /sbin/quotacheck ]; then _RUN_QUOTACHECK=1 fi fi # Mount all other filesystems (except for NFS and /proc, which is already # mounted). Contrary to standard usage, # filesystems are NOT unmounted in single user mode. action $"Mounting local filesystems: " mount -a -t nonfs,smbfs,ncpfs,gfs -O no_netdev # Start the graphical boot, if necessary and not done yet. if fgrep rhgb /proc/cmdline > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ "$RHGB_STARTED" -eq 0 -a "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then /usr/bin/rhgb RHGB_STARTED=1 fi # check remaining quotas other than root if [ X"$_RUN_QUOTACHECK" = X1 -a -x /sbin/quotacheck ]; then if [ -x /sbin/convertquota ]; then # try to convert old quotas for mountpt in `awk '$4 ~ /quota/{print $2}' /etc/mtab` ; do if [ -f "$mountpt/quota.user" ]; then action $"Converting old user quota files: " \ /sbin/convertquota -u $mountpt && \ rm -f $mountpt/quota.user fi if [ -f "$mountpt/quota.group" ]; then action $"Converting old group quota files: " \ /sbin/convertquota -g $mountpt && \ rm -f $mountpt/quota.group fi done fi action $"Checking local filesystem quotas: " /sbin/quotacheck -aRnug fi if [ -x /sbin/quotaon ]; then action $"Enabling local filesystem quotas: " /sbin/quotaon -aug fi # Configure machine if necessary. if [ -f /.unconfigured ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 1 fi if [ -x /usr/sbin/kbdconfig ]; then /usr/sbin/kbdconfig fi if [ -x /usr/bin/passwd ]; then /usr/bin/passwd root fi if [ -x /usr/sbin/netconfig ]; then /usr/sbin/netconfig fi if [ -x /usr/sbin/timeconfig ]; then /usr/sbin/timeconfig fi if [ -x /usr/sbin/authconfig ]; then /usr/sbin/authconfig --nostart fi if [ -x /usr/sbin/ntsysv ]; then /usr/sbin/ntsysv --level 35 fi # Reread in network configuration data. if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/network ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/network # Reset the hostname. action $"Resetting hostname ${HOSTNAME}: " hostname ${HOSTNAME} fi rm -f /.unconfigured if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then chvt 8 fi fi # Clean out /. rm -f /fastboot /fsckoptions /forcefsck /.autofsck /halt /poweroff # Do we need (w|u)tmpx files? We don't set them up, but the sysadmin might... _NEED_XFILES= [ -f /var/run/utmpx -o -f /var/log/wtmpx ] && _NEED_XFILES=1 # Clean up /var. I'd use find, but /usr may not be mounted. for afile in /var/lock/* /var/run/* ; do if [ -d "$afile" ]; then case "$afile" in */news|*/mon) ;; */sudo|*/vmware) rm -f $afile/*/* ;; *) rm -f $afile/* ;; esac else rm -f $afile fi done rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* # Reset pam_console permissions [ -x /sbin/pam_console_apply ] && /sbin/pam_console_apply -r { # Clean up utmp/wtmp > /var/run/utmp touch /var/log/wtmp chgrp utmp /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp chmod 0664 /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp if [ -n "$_NEED_XFILES" ]; then > /var/run/utmpx touch /var/log/wtmpx chgrp utmp /var/run/utmpx /var/log/wtmpx chmod 0664 /var/run/utmpx /var/log/wtmpx fi # Delete X locks rm -f /tmp/.X*-lock # Delete VNC & X locks rm -rf /tmp/.X*-unix # Delete ICE locks rm -rf /tmp/.ICE-unix # Make ICE directory mkdir -m 1777 -p /tmp/.ICE-unix >/dev/null 2>&1 chown root:root /tmp/.ICE-unix # Delete Postgres sockets rm -f /tmp/.s.PGSQL.* # Now turn on swap in case we swap to files. swapon -a action $"Enabling swap space: " /bin/true # Initialize the serial ports. if [ -f /etc/rc.serial ]; then . /etc/rc.serial fi # If a SCSI tape has been detected, load the st module unconditionally # since many SCSI tapes don't deal well with st being loaded and unloaded if [ -f /proc/scsi/scsi -a -n "$USEMODULES" ]; then if LC_ALL=C grep -q 'Type: Sequential-Access' /proc/scsi/scsi 2>/dev/null ; then if LC_ALL=C grep -qv ' 9 st' /proc/devices ; then modprobe st >/dev/null 2>&1 fi fi fi # Load usb storage here, to match most other things if [ -n "$needusbstorage" ]; then modprobe usb-storage >/dev/null 2>&1 fi # Ooh, firewire too. if ! strstr "$cmdline" nofirewire ; then aliases=`/sbin/modprobe -c | awk '/^alias ieee1394-controller/ { print $3 }'` if [ -n "$aliases" -a "$aliases" != "off" ]; then for alias in $aliases ; do [ "$alias" = "off" ] && continue action $"Initializing firewire controller ($alias): " modprobe $alias done if [ $kver = "2.4" ] ; then LC_ALL=C grep -q "SBP2" /proc/bus/ieee1394/devices 2>/dev/null && \ modprobe sbp2 >/dev/null 2>&1 else LC_ALL=C grep -q "SBP2" /sys/bus/ieee1394/devices 2>/dev/null && \ modprobe sbp2 >/dev/null 2>&1 fi fi fi # If they asked for ide-scsi, load it if strstr "$cmdline" ide-scsi ; then modprobe ide-cd >/dev/null 2>&1 modprobe ide-scsi >/dev/null 2>&1 fi # Turn on harddisk optimization # There is only one file /etc/sysconfig/harddisks for all disks # after installing the hdparm-RPM. If you need different hdparm parameters # for each of your disks, copy /etc/sysconfig/harddisks to # /etc/sysconfig/harddiskhda (hdb, hdc...) and modify it. # Each disk which has no special parameters will use the defaults. # Each non-disk which has no special parameters will be ignored. # disk[0]=s; disk[1]=hda; disk[2]=hdb; disk[3]=hdc; disk[4]=hdd; disk[5]=hde; disk[6]=hdf; disk[7]=hdg; disk[8]=hdh; disk[9]=hdi; disk[10]=hdj; disk[11]=hdk; disk[12]=hdl; disk[13]=hdm; disk[14]=hdn; disk[15]=hdo; disk[16]=hdp; disk[17]=hdq; disk[18]=hdr; disk[19]=hds; disk[20]=hdt; if [ -x /sbin/hdparm ]; then for device in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20; do unset MULTIPLE_IO USE_DMA EIDE_32BIT LOOKAHEAD EXTRA_PARAMS if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/harddisk${disk[$device]} ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/harddisk${disk[$device]} HDFLAGS[$device]= if [ -n "$MULTIPLE_IO" ]; then HDFLAGS[$device]="-q -m$MULTIPLE_IO" fi if [ -n "$USE_DMA" ]; then HDFLAGS[$device]="${HDFLAGS[$device]} -q -d$USE_DMA" fi if [ -n "$EIDE_32BIT" ]; then HDFLAGS[$device]="${HDFLAGS[$device]} -q -c$EIDE_32BIT" fi if [ -n "$LOOKAHEAD" ]; then HDFLAGS[$device]="${HDFLAGS[$device]} -q -A$LOOKAHEAD" fi if [ -n "$EXTRA_PARAMS" ]; then HDFLAGS[$device]="${HDFLAGS[$device]} $EXTRA_PARAMS" fi else HDFLAGS[$device]="${HDFLAGS[0]}" fi if [ -e "/proc/ide/${disk[$device]}/media" ]; then hdmedia=`cat /proc/ide/${disk[$device]}/media` if [ "$hdmedia" = "disk" -o -f "/etc/sysconfig/harddisk${disk[$device]}" ]; then if [ -n "${HDFLAGS[$device]}" ]; then action $"Setting hard drive parameters for ${disk[$device]}: " /sbin/hdparm ${HDFLAGS[$device]} /dev/${disk[$device]} fi fi fi done fi # Boot time profiles. Yes, this should be somewhere else. if [ -x /usr/sbin/redhat-config-network-cmd ]; then if strstr "$cmdline" netprofile= ; then for arg in $cmdline ; do if [ "${arg##netprofile=}" != "${arg}" ]; then /usr/sbin/redhat-config-network-cmd --profile ${arg##netprofile=} fi done fi fi # Generate a header that defines the boot kernel. /sbin/mkkerneldoth # Adjust symlinks as necessary in /boot to keep system services from # spewing messages about mismatched System maps and so on. if [ -L /boot/System.map -a -r /boot/System.map-$unamer -a \ ! /boot/System.map -ef /boot/System.map-$unamer ]; then ln -s -f System.map-$unamer /boot/System.map fi if [ ! -e /boot/System.map -a -r /boot/System.map-$unamer ]; then ln -s -f System.map-$unamer /boot/System.map fi # The special Red Hat kernel library symlink must point to the right library # We need to deal with cases where there is no library, and we need to # deal with any version numbers that show up. shopt -s nullglob for library in /lib/kernel/$unamer/libredhat-kernel.so* ; do ln -f $library /lib/ ldconfig -n /lib/ done shopt -u nullglob # Now that we have all of our basic modules loaded and the kernel going, # let's dump the syslog ring somewhere so we can find it later dmesg -s 131072 > /var/log/dmesg # Also keep kernel symbols around in case we need them for debugging i=5 while [ $i -ge 0 ]; do if [ -f /var/log/ksyms.$i ]; then chmod 0600 /var/log/ksyms.$i mv /var/log/ksyms.$i /var/log/ksyms.$(($i+1)) fi i=$(($i-1)) done { date uname -a cat /proc/cpuinfo [ -r /proc/modules ] && cat /proc/modules [ -r /proc/ksyms ] && cat /proc/ksyms } > /var/log/ksyms.0 chmod 600 /var/log/ksyms.0 # create the crash indicator flag to warn on crashes, offer fsck with timeout touch /.autofsck kill -TERM `/sbin/pidof getkey` >/dev/null 2>&1 } & if strstr "$cmdline" confirm ; then touch /var/run/confirm fi if [ "$PROMPT" != "no" ]; then /sbin/getkey i && touch /var/run/confirm fi wait if [ -x /sbin/redhat-support-check -a -f /var/lib/supportinfo ]; then /sbin/redhat-support-check || { echo $"Normal startup will continue in 10 seconds." sleep 10 } fi # Let rhgb know that we're leaving rc.sysinit if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then /usr/bin/rhgb-client --sysinit fi ================ end /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit =========== ================ begin /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt ========= #!/bin/bash # # halt This file is executed by init when it goes into runlevel # 0 (halt) or runlevel 6 (reboot). It kills all processes, # unmounts file systems and then either halts or reboots. # # Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, # Modified for RHS Linux by Damien Neil # NOLOCALE=1 . /etc/init.d/functions runcmd() { echo -n "$1 " shift if [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" ]; then $* && echo_success || echo_failure else $* fi echo } halt_get_remaining() { if ( uname -r |grep ^2.6.>/dev/null ) ; then awk '$2 ~ /^\/$|^\/proc|^\/sys|^\/dev/{next} $3 == "tmpfs" || $3 == "proc" {print $2 ; next} /(^#|loopfs|autofs|devfs|^none|^\/dev\/ram|^\/dev\/root)/ {next} {print $2}' /proc/mounts else awk '$2 ~ /^\/$|^\/proc|^\/dev/{next} $3 == "tmpfs" || $3 == "proc" {print $2 ; next} /(^#|loopfs|autofs|devfs|^none|^\/dev\/ram|^\/dev\/root)/ {next} {print $2}' /proc/mounts fi } # See how we were called. case "$0" in *halt) message=$"Halting system..." command="/sbin/halt" ;; *reboot) message=$"Please stand by while rebooting the system..." command="/sbin/reboot" ;; *) echo $"$0: call me as 'halt' or 'reboot' please!" exit 1 ;; esac case "$1" in *start) ;; *) echo $"Usage: $0 {start}" exit 1 ;; esac # Kill all processes. [ "${BASH+bash}" = bash ] && enable kill runcmd $"Sending all processes the TERM signal..." /sbin/killall5 -15 sleep 5 runcmd $"Sending all processes the KILL signal..." /sbin/killall5 -9 # Write to wtmp file before unmounting /var /sbin/halt -w # Save mixer settings, here for lack of a better place. grep -q "\(sparcaudio\|sound\)" /proc/devices if [ $? = 0 -a -x /bin/aumix-minimal ]; then runcmd $"Saving mixer settings" /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S fi # Sync the system clock. ARC=0 SRM=0 UTC=0 if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/clock ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/clock # convert old style clock config to new values if [ "${CLOCKMODE}" = "GMT" ]; then UTC=true elif [ "${CLOCKMODE}" = "ARC" ]; then ARC=true fi fi CLOCKDEF="" CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --systohc" case "$UTC" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS -u"; CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (utc)"; ;; no|false) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS --localtime"; CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (localtime)"; ;; esac case "$ARC" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS -A"; CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (arc)"; ;; esac case "$SRM" in yes|true) CLOCKFLAGS="$CLOCKFLAGS -S"; CLOCKDEF="$CLOCKDEF (srm)"; ;; esac runcmd $"Syncing hardware clock to system time" /sbin/hwclock $CLOCKFLAGS # Turn off swap, then unmount file systems. SWAPS=`awk '! /^Filename/ { print $1 }' /proc/swaps` [ -n "$SWAPS" ] && runcmd $"Turning off swap: " swapoff $SWAPS [ -x /sbin/quotaoff ] && runcmd $"Turning off quotas: " /sbin/quotaoff -aug # Unmount file systems, killing processes if we have to. # Unmount loopback stuff first remaining=`awk '!/^#/ && $1 ~ /^\/dev\/loop/ && $2 != "/" {print $2}' /proc/mounts` devremaining=`awk '!/^#/ && $1 ~ /^\/dev\/loop/ && $2 != "/" {print $1}' /proc/mounts` [ -n "$remaining" ] && { sig= retry=3 while [ -n "$remaining" -a "$retry" -gt 0 ] do if [ "$retry" -lt 3 ]; then runcmd $"Unmounting loopback filesystems (retry):" umount $remaining else runcmd $"Unmounting loopback filesystems: " umount $remaining fi for dev in $devremaining ; do losetup $dev > /dev/null 2>&1 && \ runcmd $"Detaching loopback device $dev: " losetup -d $dev done remaining=`awk '!/^#/ && $1 ~ /^\/dev\/loop/ && $2 != "/" {print $2}' /proc/mounts` devremaining=`awk '!/^#/ && $1 ~ /^\/dev\/loop/ && $2 != "/" {print $1}' /proc/mounts` [ -z "$remaining" ] && break /sbin/fuser -k -m $sig $remaining >/dev/null sleep 5 retry=$(($retry -1)) sig=-9 done } sig= retry=3 remaining=`halt_get_remaining | sort -r` while [ -n "$remaining" -a "$retry" -gt 0 ] do if [ "$retry" -lt 3 ]; then LANG=C runcmd $"Unmounting file systems (retry): " umount -f $remaining else LANG=C runcmd $"Unmounting file systems: " umount -f $remaining fi sleep 2 remaining=`halt_get_remaining | sort -r` [ -z "$remaining" ] && break /sbin/fuser -k -m $sig $remaining >/dev/null sleep 5 retry=$(($retry-1)) sig=-9 done [ -f /proc/bus/usb/devices ] && umount /proc/bus/usb [ -f /sys/bus/usb/devices ] && umount /sys/bus/usb # remove the crash indicator flag rm -f /.autofsck # Try all file systems other than root and RAM disks, one last time. mount | awk '!/( \/ |^\/dev\/root|^\/dev\/ram| \/proc )/ { print $3 }' | \ while read line; do umount -f $line done # Remount read only anything that's left mounted. # echo $"Remounting remaining filesystems readonly" mount | awk '{ print $3 }' | while read line; do mount -n -o ro,remount $line done # Now halt or reboot. echo $"$message" if [ -f /fastboot ]; then echo $"On the next boot fsck will be skipped." elif [ -f /forcefsck ]; then echo $"On the next boot fsck will be forced." fi if [ "$command" = /sbin/halt -a -r /etc/ups/upsmon.conf -a -f /etc/killpower -a -f /etc/sysconfig/ups ] ; then . /etc/sysconfig/ups [ "$SERVER" = "yes" -a "$MODEL" != "NONE" -a -n "$MODEL" -a -n "$DEVICE" ] && $MODEL $OPTIONS_HALT -k $DEVICE fi if [ -x /sbin/halt.local ]; then /sbin/halt.local fi HALTARGS="-i -d" [ -f /poweroff -o ! -f /halt ] && HALTARGS="$HALTARGS -p" exec $command $HALTARGS ================== end /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt ============ ================= line to add to /etc/fstab none /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 -- _____________________________________________________________ Web-based SMS services available at http://www.operamail.com. >From your mailbox to local or overseas cell phones. Powered by Outblaze From Mickael Maddison Tue Nov 2 16:45:19 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: [WBEL-users] Where to start with an SSH server ? In-Reply-To: References: <41878D53.4090905@free.fr> Message-ID: <11310642694.20041102084519@kamloopsbc.com> Hello! Some companies are promoting SSH servers that offer per-user directory controls for SFTP, something along the lines of what we do now with FTP. Does anyone know if/how we can achieve that result? Mike Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 6:48:34 AM, you wrote: BJW> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Jean Lee wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I want to implement a corporate ftp server using ssh. >> Is OpenSSH a good choice ? >> Do I have to use sshd or sshd_ftpserver ? >> Where can I find a good documentation and tutorial for it ? I'm new and >> I would like to understand how it works and not only how to use it. >> >> More genrally, I am quite new to the network, file sharing over internet >> and security problems and I would like to understand the differences >> between FTP, SSH, TLS secured FTP, Kerberos, S/Keys, VPN, (Why not FTP >> over VPN if it exists) and all the others that I don't know.... Is >> there any existing documentation which explains the general usage of >> these protocols and makes a comparison of usage, security and the >> application (and why not make a comparison of avalaible binaries for each)? >> Yes I know : I ask a lot :) but I'm a bit lost with all these abreviations. >> >> Thanks for any help, BJW> Jean, BJW> The ssh (Secure SHell) daemon that comes with Redhat and Whitebox linux BJW> also handles sftp (Secure File Transfer Protocol) and scp (Secure CoPy) BJW> protocol. sftp is a good way to securely move or copy files back and BJW> forth across a network. BJW> The major problem with ftp is that the user name and password are sent "in BJW> the clear", meaning non-encrypted. This means that anybody running a BJW> sniffer on the network can get your user name and password, as well as BJW> whatever files you're transmitting or receiving. BJW> sftp encrypts the user name, password, and the file data, so you should be BJW> safe. And the beauty of it is, you won't have to install any new software BJW> on your linux box, as it comes installed by default! BJW> You *do* need to make two changes to the configuration file, to make sure BJW> that your ssh daemon is secure. You'll need to open /etc/ssh/sshd_config BJW> and find the line that looks like: BJW> # Protocol 2,1 BJW> and change it to look like BJW> Protocol 2 BJW> This is because ssh protocol 1 has serious flaws and is insecure. BJW> The other line that you should change is: BJW> # PermitRootLogin yes BJW> and change it to look like BJW> PermitRootLogin no BJW> This will keep out folks trying to hack your root login over the internet. BJW> Once you've made these two changes and saved them, restart your ssh daemon BJW> with the command: BJW> service sshd restart BJW> And you should be set. BJW> WinSCP is a very good Windows sftp/scp client that I use all the time to BJW> access my linux server. It's great for copying files, and can be found BJW> at: BJW> http://winscp.sourceforge.net/eng/ BJW> About the best ssh client (basically a secure telnet replacement) is BJW> called PuTTY, and can be found at: BJW> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ BJW> These are my favorite ways of accessing my server securely. BJW> Hope this helps! BJW> Ben BJW> _______________________________________________ BJW> Whitebox-users mailing list BJW> Whitebox-users@beau.org BJW> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users BJW> __________ NOD32 1.914 (20041101) Information __________ BJW> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. BJW> http://www.nod32.com From dean.plant@roke.co.uk Tue Nov 2 17:10:44 2004 From: dean.plant@roke.co.uk (Plant, Dean) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:10:44 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Hwdata rpm fails gpg check Message-ID: <3F2E01E1D7B04F4EBEC92D3FA324D8802731F1@rsys004a.roke.co.uk> Hello list, Can someone please just put my mind to rest about the package hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm which seems to be failing md5/gpg checks from some mirrors. I have downloaded this particular rpm from the belnet,esat & ncsu mirrors with differing results. All the files are the same size but the esat and belnet fails gpg and md5 checks. md5sum hw* 4af1814b46df2bf2cbcb116b5b92e702 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-belnet 4af1814b46df2bf2cbcb116b5b92e702 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-esat adeed27d5bbdf6d77c9b6028bbbfa105 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-ncsu rpm -K hw* hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-belnet: (SHA1) DSA sha1 MD5 GPG NOT OK hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-esat: (SHA1) DSA sha1 MD5 GPG NOT OK hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-ncsu: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#73307de6) ls -l hw* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256998 Nov 2 16:57 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-belnet -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256998 Nov 2 17:01 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-esat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256998 Nov 2 16:49 hwdata-0.101.8-1.noarch.rpm-ncsu Is this something I should be worried about? Thanks in advance. Dean Plant From jkunkel@laurcat.com Tue Nov 2 22:20:46 2004 From: jkunkel@laurcat.com (Jim Kunkel) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:20:46 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you Message-ID: <018801c4c12a$336068c0$6301a8c0@lc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C4C0F7.E89FD320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WBEL users want a distro that will WORK and evolve at a sane rate. We = would much rather have a server that won't need attention than an = attention-getting desktop. So far, judging by the mailing list, the = users are intelligent, polite and compassionate of newbies, as one would = expect from a Southern heritage. ------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C4C0F7.E89FD320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WBEL users want a distro that will WORK = and evolve=20 at a sane rate.  We would much rather have a server that won't need = attention than an attention-getting desktop.  So far, judging by = the=20 mailing list, the users are intelligent, polite and compassionate = of=20 newbies, as one would expect from a Southern=20 heritage.
------=_NextPart_000_0185_01C4C0F7.E89FD320-- From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Tue Nov 2 22:51:33 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:51:33 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you In-Reply-To: <018801c4c12a$336068c0$6301a8c0@lc> Message-ID: <008801c4c12e$80241040$0501a8c0@darkside> I have one WBEL server running in a production environment, with a second coming on line this weekend. I had a little trouble with the newest box, I'm migrating existing services to it and I had trouble with our Intranet application (running on PHP-Nuke). Everything else was fine, but for some reason I had to completely remove httpd, mysql and php and reinstall them, then PHP-Nuke magically worked. It occurred to me after the fact that WBELs wobble, but they don't fall down. --J(K) From lists@ehome.net Tue Nov 2 22:54:19 2004 From: lists@ehome.net (eLists) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:54:19 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] how to restart an aborted yum update? Message-ID: Hello, I am a fairly new Whitebox user. I do have 2 servers deployed with it. However, the third one has a problem. I also use Webmin, and when using the yum update tool, partway through the update process it failed. Why, I am not positive, but I believe it was due to an interruption of my connection. The box boots, but there are a few errors. The machine is now in a data center with limited hand-on access. Repeated attempts to run the yum update again (via webmin) give errors. Is there a way I can manually force an update (command line is fine). Thank you for any help / suggestions. Dale From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Tue Nov 2 23:15:18 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:15:18 -0800 Subject: Cheshire PHP problem - was Re: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you In-Reply-To: <008801c4c12e$80241040$0501a8c0@darkside> References: <008801c4c12e$80241040$0501a8c0@darkside> Message-ID: <41881506.6080003@platypus.bc.ca> Jason, That sounds like an odd problem for sure. Have you a procedure or method of duplicating the state this box was in before you reinstalled all that? I'm wondering if a %post was setting something based on the existence of something else - a no no - that wandered away afterward. Dare I hope that everything was installed from RPMs? I'm thinking that I may be able to replicate this setup, with your help becuase I have never used PHPNuke, and find out the cause of this. The goal, of course, would be to remove what seems to be a problem based on the order in which things were installed. The order in which things install shouldn't ever be a factor, and your situation leaves me perplexed for sure. NB: In the days when all my servers were similar, I used virtual RPMs to devise profiles that were then installed by a single Apt invocation. The same can perhaps be done with Yum, and can make your task of bringing new servers online that much easier. You may want to look into it all. - bish Jason Balicki wrote: > I have one WBEL server running in a production environment, > with a second coming on line this weekend. > > I had a little trouble with the newest box, I'm migrating > existing services to it and I had trouble with our Intranet > application (running on PHP-Nuke). Everything else was fine, > but for some reason I had to completely remove httpd, mysql > and php and reinstall them, then PHP-Nuke magically worked. > > It occurred to me after the fact that WBELs wobble, but they > don't fall down. > > --J(K) > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- "What do you call the smaller ones; Cabinet-Maker Ants?" -- Kevin From subsolar@subsolar.org Wed Nov 3 01:08:28 2004 From: subsolar@subsolar.org (Paul) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:08:28 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you In-Reply-To: <003e01c4c0fa$e6d544f0$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> References: <003e01c4c0fa$e6d544f0$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> Message-ID: <1099444107.2566.1.camel@azure> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 10:42, Nigel Kendrick wrote: > Newer converts to WBEL are mainly former Red Hat 9 users who felt like > they'd been dumped on prom night and for whom Red's cousin, Fedora, > seemed like too much of a wild child to take to the party. Hmmmm hit the nail on the head so to say for me. Paul -- "Its the Internet, where men are men, women are men and children are FBI agents...and they're men!" - Unknown From simone72@email.it Wed Nov 3 11:55:26 2004 From: simone72@email.it (Simone) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:55:26 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] CRM for WBEL Message-ID: <4188C72E.7090205@email.it> Hi all, as usual I'm here asking your opinion and advice. Anyone has a positive experience with CRM on Whitebox? Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? Thanks for sharing, have a nice day Simone -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Solo su Occhialeria.it una vastissima scelta a prezzi insuperabili! * Per te le migliori marche e un incredibile assortimento. Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=880&d=3-11 From rgm@htt-consult.com Wed Nov 3 13:49:25 2004 From: rgm@htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:49:25 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some dependencies help Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> I have been struggling with Idealx's ICM package. THe first dependency I have to address is perl-CGI. Here is what the Idealx people have told me. Question is, has anyone installed this, and where did they get it? Was it a place with yum, or just rpm? ================================================ You need to download and install the RPM files : rpm -i perl-CGI-* perl-libwww-perl-* RPM may stop saying some other dependencies are needed. You need to install them also. If you want to avoid RPM dependency hell, you can try YUM or APT-RPM : these are additionnal packages and systems that you need to install but it will greatly help if you want to install other third-party software packages on your system. Try googling for apt redhat and you should find a lot of sites and public repositories. ======================================= From grahamp@wsieurope.com Wed Nov 3 14:28:35 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:28:35 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some dependencies help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> Message-ID: <4188EB13.8020103@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000407020500070806040000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, perl-libwww-perl is OK, I have that, but CGI I think is now part of perl 5.8.1 so you get that anyway. I assume you installed perl itself. So you should be OK, what exactly is it complaining about? Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have been struggling with Idealx's ICM package. THe first dependency > I have to address is perl-CGI. Here is what the Idealx people have told > me. Question is, has anyone installed this, and where did they get it? > Was it a place with yum, or just rpm? > > ================================================ > > You need to download and install the RPM files : > > rpm -i perl-CGI-* perl-libwww-perl-* > > RPM may stop saying some other dependencies are needed. You need to > install them also. > If you want to avoid RPM dependency hell, you can try YUM or APT-RPM : > these are additionnal packages and systems that you need to install but > it will greatly help if you want to install other third-party software > packages on your system. Try googling for apt redhat and you should find > a lot of sites and public repositories. > > ======================================= > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------000407020500070806040000 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------000407020500070806040000-- From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Wed Nov 3 14:44:19 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:44:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some dependencies help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> Message-ID: <2720.12.29.16.103.1099493059.squirrel@whooper.org> Robert Moskowitz said: > I have been struggling with Idealx's ICM package. THe first dependency I > have to address is perl-CGI. Here is what the Idealx people have told > me. Question is, has anyone installed this, and where did they get it? > Was it a place with yum, or just rpm? > > > ================================================ > > > You need to download and install the RPM files : > > > rpm -i perl-CGI-* perl-libwww-perl-* Both of those RPMs are part of the base Whitebox: [whooper@snowball whooper]$ sudo yum list perl-CGI perl-libwww-perl Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 - i386 - Base Server: White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 - i386 - Dag Repo Server: White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Looking in Available Packages: Name Arch Version Repo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- perl-CGI i386 2:2.81-88.7 updates-released Looking in Installed Packages: Name Arch Version Repo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- perl-libwww-perl noarch 5.65-6 db -- William Hooper From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Wed Nov 3 15:06:37 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:06:37 -0600 Subject: Cheshire PHP problem - was Re: [WBEL-users] What your choice of Linux distribution says about you In-Reply-To: <41881506.6080003@platypus.bc.ca> Message-ID: <003e01c4c1b6$b76bcb00$0501a8c0@darkside> bishop wrote: > That sounds like an odd problem for sure. Have you a procedure or > method of duplicating the state this box was in before you reinstalled > all that? I'm wondering if a %post was setting something based on the > existence of something else - a no no - that wandered away afterward. I wasn't really asking for help on this one, I just wanted an excuse to use the "WBELs wobble" line, but if it helps the cause, I'm game. :) I don't have a method re replicating the state, other than starting over. The install date for this server is this coming weekend, so I don't want to do that just for the sake of curiosity. If I had another machine with the same hardware config I'd do it and report results. But I don't, unfortunately. > Dare I hope that everything was installed from RPMs? This was a fresh install of WBEL and setting up PHP-Nuke was the first thing I tried. However, PHP-Nuke was not installed via RPM. PHP-Nuke doesn't add any libraries or anything like that, though. You just drop the files somewhere in your docroot, set up your database and go. If you want I can give you my install.log and install.log.syslog. I'm also willing to share a tarball of that docroot directory and a dump of the database (with the passwords changed or zeroed, of course.) Everything except PHP-Nuke was RPM. The database dump is VERY small (784k uncompressed). This app is used as a start page for my orginazation, with links to internal and external services, plus announcements on a very rare basis. It doesn't change much so it's very small. > I'm thinking that I may be able to replicate this setup, with your > help becuase I have never used PHPNuke, and find out the cause of > this. The goal, of course, would be to remove what seems to be a > problem based on the order in which things were installed. > The order in which things install shouldn't ever be a factor, and your > situation leaves me perplexed for sure. This is a brand new box, a 2U chasis with an intel S875WP1-E server board in it, with 1GB RAM and a 2.8Ghz hyper-threading enabled 800Mhz FSB P4 chip, using a 160GB SATA HD & only using the 1Gb NIC (there are two NICs, one 10/100Mb that's enabled in the bios but the drivers aren't loaded and a 1Gb that's running.) There is no other hardware in the system, the video is integrated on the board. This box is to be our main Samba-based PDC, file and print server. In a nutshell, here's what I did: 1) Installed WBEL on a new box. 2) Ran "yum update" 2.5) made sure that php, mysql and php-mysql was installed 3) did a mysql dump of the old server* 4) copied /var/www/html/fm (docroot of php-nuke) on old server to new 5) restored database on new server 6) attempted to connect, got failure ("blank page"). 7) messed around a lot** 8) yum remove php-mysql mysql-server mysql httpd php 9) yum install php-mysql httpd mysql-server 10) connected*** * old server was a RH 7.3 box. PHP-Nuke is version 6.5 ** history available on request (will take a while, I'd want to edit and annotate it), but mostly consisted of trying to find where the failure was occuring. It occured at the line: $db = new sql_db($dbhost, $dbuname, $dbpass, $dbname, false); in db/db.php, leading me to believe that php-mysql wasn't working right (even though it was installed.) There were no error messages anywhere, just a silent failure. I kept adding 'echo "I'm here
"' lines until I found where they stopped. *** this is a condensed account & this process started on a Friday and ended early afternoon the following Monday. I tested this migration on other machines that I have and all of them worked. Except, of course, for the one that the app had to live on. I tried installing fresh copies of PHP-Nuke and CPG-Nuke (a GPL fork) and both hit the same failure. > NB: In the days when all my servers were similar, I used virtual RPMs > to devise profiles that were then installed by a single Apt > invocation. The same can perhaps be done with Yum, and can make > your task of bringing new servers online that much easier. You may > want to look into it all. That would be great, except: 1) No two of my servers are the same and 2) even if I could replicate the base install, no two of my servers come on line close to the same time (this case is a fluke and is not likely to happen again) so if I bothered to create profiles, they'd need to be updated by the time I'm ready to scratch-install a new box -- I would be doubling work for myself. I'm not a hosting company with thousands of boxes, I'm a small mortgage company with less than 10 servers (but growing, slowly.) Thanks for your interest, --J(K) From rgm@htt-consult.com Wed Nov 3 17:23:22 2004 From: rgm@htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:23:22 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some dependencies help In-Reply-To: <4188EB13.8020103@wsieurope.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> <4188EB13.8020103@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103122152.05df7c30@localhost> At 09:28 AM 11/3/2004, Graham Purcocks wrote: >Well, perl-libwww-perl is OK, I have that, but CGI I think is now part of >perl 5.8.1 so you get that anyway. I assume you installed perl itself. So >you should be OK, what exactly is it complaining about? Well I believe I installed perl. I know how important it is to sooo many tasks (and I actually wrote some perl and tcl stuff 10 years ago). Here is my conversatoin with idealx: >>>cd /opt/IDEALX/imc >>>./bin/imc-server -d -c ./etc/imc.xml -l ./imc.log >> >> >>I have to figure out how to get the response of this to you as it looks >>like if failed big time. Something like: >> >>can't locate CGI.pm in @INC ( .... ) at lib/IMC/WebApp/Server.pm line 6 > >Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>I have been struggling with Idealx's ICM package. THe first dependency I >>have to address is perl-CGI. Here is what the Idealx people have told >>me. Question is, has anyone installed this, and where did they get it? >>Was it a place with yum, or just rpm? >>================================================ >>You need to download and install the RPM files : >>rpm -i perl-CGI-* perl-libwww-perl-* >>RPM may stop saying some other dependencies are needed. You need to >>install them also. >>If you want to avoid RPM dependency hell, you can try YUM or APT-RPM : >>these are additionnal packages and systems that you need to install but >>it will greatly help if you want to install other third-party software >>packages on your system. Try googling for apt redhat and you should find >>a lot of sites and public repositories. >>======================================= >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Whitebox-users mailing list >>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From rdieter@math.unl.edu Wed Nov 3 17:36:20 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:36:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some dependencies help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103122152.05df7c30@localhost> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041103084656.05fd8018@localhost> <4188EB13.8020103@wsieurope.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041103122152.05df7c30@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > At 09:28 AM 11/3/2004, Graham Purcocks wrote: >> Well, perl-libwww-perl is OK, I have that, but CGI I think is now part of >> perl 5.8.1 so you get that anyway. I assume you installed perl itself. So >> you should be OK, what exactly is it complaining about? > > Well I believe I installed perl. I know how important it is to sooo many > tasks (and I actually wrote some perl and tcl stuff 10 years ago). Here is > my conversatoin with idealx: > >>>> cd /opt/IDEALX/imc >>>> ./bin/imc-server -d -c ./etc/imc.xml -l ./imc.log >>> >>> >>> I have to figure out how to get the response of this to you as it looks >>> like if failed big time. Something like: >>> >>> can't locate CGI.pm in @INC ( .... ) at lib/IMC/WebApp/Server.pm line 6 FYI, perl-CGI *is* packaged separately, yum install perl-CGI should get it for you. -- Rex From Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com Wed Nov 3 18:15:12 2004 From: Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:15:12 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Upgrade from RH 7.3 Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0064437085256F41_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Has anyone attempted to upgrade from RedHat 7.3 to WBEL? I'm looking around on Google, and I'm not finding much. I normally just wipe and reload, but I need to do this quickly. Suggestions? ========================= Scott Mace Security Administrator Travelcenters of America 440-808-4318 mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com ========================= --=_alternative 0064437085256F41_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Has anyone attempted to upgrade from RedHat 7.3 to WBEL?  I'm looking around on Google, and I'm not finding much.  I normally just wipe and reload, but I need to do this quickly.  Suggestions?

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--=_alternative 0064437085256F41_=-- From travisb@freedoc.com Wed Nov 3 18:31:40 2004 From: travisb@freedoc.com (Travis Butcher) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:31:40 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Upgrade from RH 7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411031031.40329.travisb@freedoc.com> Redhat has migration documents on their site that recommends to wipe and reload when migrating from 7.3 to RHEL. So I didn't even try to upgrade I just went for a fresh install. That may save you more time and less headaches in the long run. On Wednesday 03 November 2004 10:15 am, Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com wrote: > Has anyone attempted to upgrade from RedHat 7.3 to WBEL? I'm looking > around on Google, and I'm not finding much. I normally just wipe and > reload, but I need to do this quickly. Suggestions? > > ========================= > Scott Mace > Security Administrator > Travelcenters of America > 440-808-4318 > mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com > ========================= From Mickael Maddison Wed Nov 3 20:32:09 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:32:09 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL Message-ID: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> Hello whitebox-users, Ok. I think this has been asked and answered, but I need a quick and dirty. I've got a box that has RHWSE that's currently running as a live web box. I need to convert it to WBEL as we're not renewing the support contract with RH for this box. What I'd like to do is just install YUM and use WBEL RPMs to maintain the machine, thus essentially converting it to WBEL. Since WBEL is RHES, I suspect this can work, but I'm not sure of any issues that might come up. Suggestions? -- Best regards, Mickael mailto:mike@kamloopsbc.com From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 3 21:25:04 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:25:04 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> Message-ID: <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:32 -0800, Mickael Maddison wrote: > Hello whitebox-users, > > Ok. I think this has been asked and answered, but I need a quick and > dirty. > I've got a box that has RHWSE that's currently running as a live web > box. I need to convert it to WBEL as we're not renewing the support > contract with RH for this box. What I'd like to do is just install > YUM and use WBEL RPMs to maintain the machine, thus essentially > converting it to WBEL. Since WBEL is RHES, I suspect this can work, > but I'm not sure of any issues that might come up. Suggestions? I would think that you could un-install redhat-release (rpm -e redhat-release), then install the latest whitebox-release and yum for WBEL ... adjust your /etc/yum.conf (here is mine): http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/yum.conf.txt Then do: yum upgrade If you are running up2date, up2date-gnome and rhn-applet ... un-install them and replace with the ones for WBEL. I use yum vice up2date, so I don't have a good /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources ... I think then you would be good to go. ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From Mickael Maddison Wed Nov 3 22:09:47 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:09:47 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <253319240.20041103140947@kamloopsbc.com> Hello Johnny, Thanks... that sounds workable. i'm going to give it a shot on a test machine then go for a live one if it works out well. Mike From Mickael Maddison Wed Nov 3 22:49:51 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:49:51 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <608673556.20041103144951@kamloopsbc.com> Hello Johnny, I've done as you suggested, I'm just waiting for the upgrades to complete and see if all is well on the test machine. A question came to mind... I "Was" using up2date, but if I understand correctly, YUM can handle all I should need for updates, so when I remove up2date there should be no need to install a WBEL version of up2date or rhn-applet, right? -- Best regards, Mickael mailto:mike@kamloopsbc.com Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 1:25:04 PM, you wrote: JH> On Wed, 2004-11-03 at 12:32 -0800, Mickael Maddison wrote: >> Hello whitebox-users, >> >> Ok. I think this has been asked and answered, but I need a quick and >> dirty. >> I've got a box that has RHWSE that's currently running as a live web >> box. I need to convert it to WBEL as we're not renewing the support >> contract with RH for this box. What I'd like to do is just install >> YUM and use WBEL RPMs to maintain the machine, thus essentially >> converting it to WBEL. Since WBEL is RHES, I suspect this can work, >> but I'm not sure of any issues that might come up. Suggestions? JH> I would think that you could un-install redhat-release (rpm -e JH> redhat-release), then install the latest whitebox-release and yum for JH> WBEL ... adjust your /etc/yum.conf (here is mine): JH> http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/yum.conf.txt JH> Then do: JH> yum upgrade JH> If you are running up2date, up2date-gnome and rhn-applet ... un-install JH> them and replace with the ones for WBEL. I use yum vice up2date, so I JH> don't have a good /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources ... JH> I think then you would be good to go. JH> ----------------------- JH> Johnny Hughes JH> JH> _______________________________________________ JH> Whitebox-users mailing list JH> Whitebox-users@beau.org JH> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users JH> __________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ JH> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. JH> http://www.nod32.com From jason@coalescentsystems.ca Wed Nov 3 22:56:29 2004 From: jason@coalescentsystems.ca (Jason Becker) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:56:29 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL Message-ID: <4189621D.60500@coalescentsystems.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:55:26 +0100 From: Simone -begin- Hi all, as usual I'm here asking your opinion and advice. Anyone has a positive experience with CRM on Whitebox? Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? Thanks for sharing, have a nice day Simone -end- SugarCRM has been making news. Haven't used it, but it's Open Source. Regards, -- Jason Becker Director & CEO Coalescent Systems Inc. 403.244.8089 www.coalescentsystems.ca From sudev@mantraonline.com Thu Nov 4 02:40:54 2004 From: sudev@mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:10:54 +0530 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL In-Reply-To: <4189621D.60500@coalescentsystems.ca> References: <4189621D.60500@coalescentsystems.ca> Message-ID: <1099536053.27607.14.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 04:26, Jason Becker wrote: > Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:55:26 +0100 > From: Simone [SNIP] > Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? Second the Sugar CRM am using it and within a month sales people are realising its worth. Looking now to customise it a bit. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From denis@just-servers.co.uk Thu Nov 4 07:21:29 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:21:29 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL In-Reply-To: <1099536053.27607.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200411040834.iA48YeF14052@rack1.just-hosting.biz> >> Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? > >Second the Sugar CRM am using it and within a month sales people are realising its worth. >Looking now to customise it a bit. >-- >Sudev Barar >Learning Linux I am intrested in Sugar, but cannot find out where to download it any clues ? Thanks Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Marvin the E-Mail scanner From cb@bo-mc.de Thu Nov 4 07:40:54 2004 From: cb@bo-mc.de (Carsten Boehlke) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:40:54 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <608673556.20041103144951@kamloopsbc.com> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> <608673556.20041103144951@kamloopsbc.com> Message-ID: <4189DD06.3050407@bo-mc.de> Mickael Maddison wrote: >Hello Johnny, > >I've done as you suggested, I'm just waiting for the upgrades to complete and see if all is well on the test machine. A question came to mind... >I "Was" using up2date, but if I understand correctly, YUM can handle all I should need for updates, so when I remove up2date there should be no need to install a WBEL version of up2date or rhn-applet, right? > > Yep, that's right. Yum and up2date are two different mechanisms. You only need one off them. Best regards, Carsten. From fredo.sartori@spdfraktion.de Thu Nov 4 08:05:51 2004 From: fredo.sartori@spdfraktion.de (Fredo Sartori) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:05:51 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] /dev/random hangs Message-ID: <4189E2DF.3020906@spdfraktion.de> This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080301030508030704000309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm running wbel with kernel 2.4.21-4.ELsmp. A few days ago I noticed an apache hanging during startup. strace showed that apache tried to read from /dev/random without getting any data. A "cat /dev/random" did not produce any output either, even if I waited for some minutes. "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" returned 0, constantly. Rebooting the box solved the problem only temporarily. Any hints are welcome ... 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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C4C28A.833E2560-- From Simone72 Thu Nov 4 08:32:12 2004 From: Simone72 (Simone72) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:32:12 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL Message-ID: This should be the right location: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sugarcrm/SugarCRM-Full-2.0c.zip links taken from this page: http://www.sugarcrm.com/home/Download_Sugar_Sales/107/ have a nice day --------- Original Message -------- Da: denis@just-servers.co.uk To: 'Sudev Barar' , 'WBEL' Oggetto: RE: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL Data: 04/11/04 08:25 > > > > >> Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? > > > >Second the Sugar CRM am using it and within a month sales people are > realising its worth. > >Looking now to customise it a bit. > >-- > >Sudev Barar > >Learning Linux > I am intrested in Sugar, but cannot find out where to download it any clues > ? > > Thanks > > Denis > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > Marvin the E-Mail scanner > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Fare shopping con EmailConto Risparmio č facile e conveniente: con un solo click sconti tutti i tuoi acquisti! Provalo adesso. Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=839&d=20041104 From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Thu Nov 4 13:53:31 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:53:31 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <4189DD06.3050407@bo-mc.de> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> <608673556.20041103144951@kamloopsbc.com> <4189DD06.3050407@bo-mc.de> Message-ID: <1099576411.12244.16.camel@Myth.home.local> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:40 +0100, Carsten Boehlke wrote: > Mickael Maddison wrote: > > >Hello Johnny, > > > >I've done as you suggested, I'm just waiting for the upgrades to complete and see if all is well on the test machine. A question came to mind... > >I "Was" using up2date, but if I understand correctly, YUM can handle all I should need for updates, so when I remove up2date there should be no need to install a WBEL version of up2date or rhn-applet, right? > > > > > Yep, that's right. Yum and up2date are two different mechanisms. You > only need one off them. You only need to use yum ... but if you like the applet to show you when there are updates, then you would need to install updated versions of up2date, up2date-gnome, and rhn-applet. I don't use them anymore, but I did when I first shifted to WBEL. I like yum better than up2date ... but you can choose to use either of them, or both together, to do your updates. > > Best regards, > > Carsten. > ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Thu Nov 4 15:35:48 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:35:48 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c4c283$f855bf90$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> Might be worth looking at XRMS too (search for it on sourceforge) - its interface is not as pretty as Sugar's but we found its reporting was much better. NK -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Simone72 Sent: 04 November 2004 08:32 To: denis@just-servers.co.uk; 'Sudev Barar'; 'WBEL' Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL This should be the right location: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sugarcrm/SugarCRM-Full-2.0c.zip links taken from this page: http://www.sugarcrm.com/home/Download_Sugar_Sales/107/ have a nice day --------- Original Message -------- Da: denis@just-servers.co.uk To: 'Sudev Barar' , 'WBEL' Oggetto: RE: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL Data: 04/11/04 08:25 > > > > >> Which CRM would you suggest for a small (5 to 20) company? > > >Second the Sugar CRM am using it and within a month sales > people are realising its worth. > >Looking now to customise it a bit. > >-- > >Sudev Barar > >Learning Linux > I am intrested in Sugar, but cannot find out where to download it any clues > ? > > Thanks > > Denis > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > Marvin the E-Mail scanner > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Fare shopping con EmailConto Risparmio č facile e conveniente: con un solo click sconti tutti i tuoi acquisti! Provalo adesso. Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=839&d=20041104 _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From kgarner@kgarner.com Thu Nov 4 15:36:29 2004 From: kgarner@kgarner.com (Keith T. Garner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:36:29 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] postfix + ldap howto In-Reply-To: <20041104083807.A0B8644ADB@mailsvr2.eastern-tele.com> References: <20041104083807.A0B8644ADB@mailsvr2.eastern-tele.com> Message-ID: <20041104153629.GK20525@copper.kgarner.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 04:22:41, Plug n Play said: > Need some expert guidance from all of you ... =P > > > I've been looking for docs regarding postfix + ldap setup but > unfortunately the docs at postfix.org is old and not updated. > > > Can you share some of your sites regarding config and setup > on postfix + ldap? This is probably more than you need, but check out the HOWTO at http://jamm.sf.net/ It works perfectly on EL3, so I imagine it should be fine on WB. Haven't tried it on WB yet. Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham From Greg.King@lmit.com Thu Nov 4 16:01:38 2004 From: Greg.King@lmit.com (King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU)) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:01:38 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 Message-ID: <916D957DA08F5948AD7598F12FAE71E7BDEEF3@hou-msx02.houston.oao.com> Just something I had to deal with in case someone searching the list needs the info. I had a Dell 670 sent to me as the techs couldn't get it to take a load. Looking at it, the problem was that RH Update3 and Update 5 did not contain the necessary SCSI drivers, therefore the disks are never found. I figure the same will occur with WBEL as well. You will need to make a driver disk from Dells support downloads for the 670 ( aic79xx-2.0.8-3.tar.gz ) I also found that their dual-head NIC drivers listed for download are incorrect. They list only the 64 bit versions. It turns out you can get the one for the video card shipped with that box by getting this driver: nvidia-6105-1-i386.tar.gz And lastly, the NIC wont work since Intel has not made the driver available for the gig e1000 adapter (the default one will not work): "Intel is not supplying patches against the kernel source to allow for static linking of the driver." So you will need to download that one as well http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39&strT ypes=DRV&ProductID=1098&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21 Greg King From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Thu Nov 4 16:28:18 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:28:18 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: CRM for WBEL In-Reply-To: <000801c4c283$f855bf90$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> Message-ID: <000901c4c28b$4af6afa0$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> Hmm, I note that Sugar has V2.0 out now - still looks not so hot on reporting, but it seems to address the other major gripe we had about a calendar feature - I'll have to re-visit Sugar methinks! Nigel Kendrick --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Thu Nov 4 16:49:08 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:49:08 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 In-Reply-To: <916D957DA08F5948AD7598F12FAE71E7BDEEF3@hou-msx02.houston.oao.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4c28e$34a4d9e0$1465a8c0@rustington.vets> I had a similar Intel e1000 LAN chip issue with a couple of Acer G310 servers and the Acer support site had the necessary download. I bought one G310 with a SCSI disk subsystem and one with SATA - both work fine with WBEL - nice kit for the price - the only caution is that you need a metal strip to mount drives and you need to wrestle them from Acer or their spares suppliers - they keep sending me PCI expansion bus blanking plates for the back of the server and like most techs I have dozens of these in every drawer and desk tidy already! Nigel Kendrick -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU) Sent: 04 November 2004 16:02 To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 Just something I had to deal with in case someone searching the list needs the info. I had a Dell 670 sent to me as the techs couldn't get it to take a load. Looking at it, the problem was that RH Update3 and Update 5 did not contain the necessary SCSI drivers, therefore the disks are never found. I figure the same will occur with WBEL as well. You will need to make a driver disk from Dells support downloads for the 670 ( aic79xx-2.0.8-3.tar.gz ) I also found that their dual-head NIC drivers listed for download are incorrect. They list only the 64 bit versions. It turns out you can get the one for the video card shipped with that box by getting this driver: nvidia-6105-1-i386.tar.gz And lastly, the NIC wont work since Intel has not made the driver available for the gig e1000 adapter (the default one will not work): "Intel is not supplying patches against the kernel source to allow for static linking of the driver." So you will need to download that one as well http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39& strT ypes=DRV&ProductID=1098&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21 Greg King _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From dave@58ghz.net Thu Nov 4 17:14:19 2004 From: dave@58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:14:19 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 In-Reply-To: <916D957DA08F5948AD7598F12FAE71E7BDEEF3@hou-msx02.houston.oao.com> References: <916D957DA08F5948AD7598F12FAE71E7BDEEF3@hou-msx02.houston.oao.com> Message-ID: <1099588459.24111.527.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> I have a couple of boxes running RHEL WS, and they auto detect and install the PCI Intel 1000mb cards, without issue. I'm assuming the WBEL would do that same. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:01, King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU) wrote: > Just something I had to deal with in case someone searching the list needs > the info. > > I had a Dell 670 sent to me as the techs couldn't get it to take a load. > Looking at it, the problem was that RH Update3 and Update 5 did not contain > the necessary SCSI drivers, therefore the disks are never found. I figure > the same will occur with WBEL as well. > > You will need to make a driver disk from Dells support downloads for the 670 > ( aic79xx-2.0.8-3.tar.gz ) > > I also found that their dual-head NIC drivers listed for download are > incorrect. They list only the 64 bit versions. It turns out you can get the > one for the video card shipped with that box by getting this driver: > nvidia-6105-1-i386.tar.gz > > And lastly, the NIC wont work since Intel has not made the driver available > for the gig e1000 adapter (the default one will not work): "Intel is not > supplying patches against the kernel source to allow for static linking of > the driver." > > So you will need to download that one as well > > http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39&strT > ypes=DRV&ProductID=1098&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21 > > > Greg King > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From alfred@110.net Thu Nov 4 17:35:11 2004 From: alfred@110.net (Alfred von Campe) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:35:11 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs Message-ID: This is not strictly a WBEL question, but I accidentally deleted my WBEL ISO images. I do have the 3 CDs, and would like to recreate the ISO images from the CDs so I don't have to re-download them. What's the best/easiest way to do this? If I use mkisofs, will it do the right thing and make CD1 bootable, and if so, what options to mkisofs should I use? Thanks in advance for any information, Alfred From charlie@phys.utb.edu Thu Nov 4 16:43:09 2004 From: charlie@phys.utb.edu (Charlie Torres) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:43:09 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Installing GNUmeric via RPM to WBEL Message-ID: <1099586589.9731.25.camel@zero.phys.utb.edu> Hello, I'm writing to ask about where one can get packages that don't exist in the yum repositories listed in http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/faq.html Basically I'd like to know where I can go and yum up the required packages. I didn't want to chase the dependencies to install gnumeric. If anyone know a clean simple solution please let me know. Thanks, From Mickael Maddison Thu Nov 4 19:09:00 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:09:00 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: [WBEL-users] Change RHEL to WBEL In-Reply-To: <4189DD06.3050407@bo-mc.de> References: <163478869.20041103123209@kamloopsbc.com> <1099517104.12244.8.camel@Myth.home.local> <608673556.20041103144951@kamloopsbc.com> <4189DD06.3050407@bo-mc.de> Message-ID: <195792500.20041104110900@kamloopsbc.com> Hello Carsten, Thanks that's what I expected. I've went ahead and followed Johnny's suggestions and so far it seems to have worked flawlessly. The 'live' machine is up and running, and upgraded to the latest packages. -- Best regards, Mickael mailto:mike@kamloopsbc.com Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 11:40:54 PM, you wrote: CB> Mickael Maddison wrote: >>Hello Johnny, >> >>I've done as you suggested, I'm just waiting for the upgrades to >>complete and see if all is well on the test machine. A question >>came to mind... >>I "Was" using up2date, but if I understand correctly, YUM can >>handle all I should need for updates, so when I remove up2date there >>should be no need to install a WBEL version of up2date or >>rhn-applet, right? >> >> CB> Yep, that's right. Yum and up2date are two different mechanisms. You CB> only need one off them. CB> Best regards, CB> Carsten. CB> CB> _______________________________________________ CB> Whitebox-users mailing list CB> Whitebox-users@beau.org CB> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users CB> __________ NOD32 1.916 (20041103) Information __________ CB> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. CB> http://www.nod32.com From Greg.King@lmit.com Thu Nov 4 19:38:45 2004 From: Greg.King@lmit.com (King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU)) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:38:45 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 Message-ID: <916D957DA08F5948AD7598F12FAE71E7BDEEFB@hou-msx02.houston.oao.com> Well RHEL WS cds here did not on this system. Manually selecting it and trying to enable it failed as well. I ended up calling Dell support asking what the deal with this model was and I was directed to obtain the necessary driver for that card from Intel. Downloaded that driver, installed and it worked fine. -Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:14 AM > To: King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU) > Cc: WBL Liist > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Fyi on dell precision 670 > > I have a couple of boxes running RHEL WS, and they auto > detect and install the PCI Intel 1000mb cards, without issue. > I'm assuming the WBEL would do that same. > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 10:01, King, John (Greg) (LMIT-HOU) wrote: > > Just something I had to deal with in case someone searching > the list > > needs the info. > > > > I had a Dell 670 sent to me as the techs couldn't get it to > take a load. > > Looking at it, the problem was that RH Update3 and Update 5 did not > > contain the necessary SCSI drivers, therefore the disks are never > > found. I figure the same will occur with WBEL as well. > > > > You will need to make a driver disk from Dells support > downloads for > > the 670 ( aic79xx-2.0.8-3.tar.gz ) > > > > I also found that their dual-head NIC drivers listed for > download are > > incorrect. They list only the 64 bit versions. It turns out you can > > get the one for the video card shipped with that box by > getting this driver: > > nvidia-6105-1-i386.tar.gz > > > > And lastly, the NIC wont work since Intel has not made the driver > > available for the gig e1000 adapter (the default one will > not work): > > "Intel is not supplying patches against the kernel source > to allow for > > static linking of the driver." > > > > So you will need to download that one as well > > > > > http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=3 > > 9&strT > > ypes=DRV&ProductID=1098&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21 > > > > > > Greg King > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- > > Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) > Dave J. Hala Jr. > 641.485.1606 > From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Thu Nov 4 21:03:49 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:03:49 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008401c4c2b1$c8339480$0501a8c0@darkside> Alfred von Campe <> wrote: > This is not strictly a WBEL question, but I accidentally deleted my > WBEL ISO images. I do have the 3 CDs, and would like to recreate the > ISO images from the CDs so I don't have to re-download them. What's > the best/easiest way to do this? If I use mkisofs, will it do the > right thing and make CD1 bootable, and if so, what options to mkisofs > should I use? dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/image.iso --J(K) From chris.audley@beacon-cs.com Thu Nov 4 21:06:41 2004 From: chris.audley@beacon-cs.com (Chris Audley) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:06:41 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs Message-ID: You can use dd to make a copy of your ISO images off of the CD's. dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso When you are done, verify the md5sum against the checksums posted on the whitebox site to make sure you got a good copy. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Alfred von Campe Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:35 PM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs This is not strictly a WBEL question, but I accidentally deleted my WBEL ISO images. I do have the 3 CDs, and would like to recreate the ISO images from the CDs so I don't have to re-download them. What's the best/easiest way to do this? If I use mkisofs, will it do the right thing and make CD1 bootable, and if so, what options to mkisofs should I use? Thanks in advance for any information, Alfred _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From mnk_kulkarni@yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 23:57:38 2004 From: mnk_kulkarni@yahoo.com (nikhil kulkarni) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:57:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] kickstart file with WBEL respin1 Message-ID: <20041104235738.22061.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm facing an unique problem with using a kickstart file with wbel respin 1. I added a couple of new rpms, modified the comps.xml file and re-generated the hdlist. Everything works fine with no errors, but when I run the install the packages do not get installed at all. I tried this for 3-4 different packages with the same result. The same works on rhel3. I was wondering if anyone came across a similar problem? Thanks, Nikhil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From plugnplay@grandpacific.ph Fri Nov 5 09:04:35 2004 From: plugnplay@grandpacific.ph (Plug n Play) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:04:35 +0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] postfix + ldap howto In-Reply-To: <20041104153629.GK20525@copper.kgarner.com> Message-ID: <20041105092016.55B13441D7@mailsvr2.eastern-tele.com> Thanks for your reply Keith. As a follow-up to my previous question regarding ldap. I have my ldap server 192.168.0.50 running with no problem and 192.168.0.51 as mail server authenticating to 192.168.0.50. But problems occur as shown in my /var/log/maillog. Nov 6 00:55:14 lactum postfix/master[30647]: reload configuration Nov 6 00:55:14 lactum postfix/master[30647]: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server... Nov 6 00:55:14 lactum postfix/master[30647]: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server after 1 attempt(s) Nov 6 00:55:19 lactum postfix/trivial-rewrite[30682]: warning: dict_ldap_lookup: Search error 32: No such object Nov 6 00:55:19 lactum postfix/trivial-rewrite[30682]: fatal: ldap:acceptdomains(0,100): table lookup problem Nov 6 00:55:20 lactum postfix/smtpd[30651]: warning: premature end-of-input on private/rewrite socket while reading input attribute name Nov 6 00:55:20 lactum postfix/smtpd[30651]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success Nov 6 00:55:20 lactum postfix/master[30647]: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 30682 exit status 1 Nov 6 00:55:20 lactum postfix/master[30647]: warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/trivial-rewrite: bad command startup -- throttling What other configuration should I check or consider here? I'm lost since I don't have a clear documentation on configuring postfix + ldap. Thank you and more power, Marc -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Keith T. Garner Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:36 PM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] postfix + ldap howto On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 04:22:41, Plug n Play said: > Need some expert guidance from all of you ... =P > > > I've been looking for docs regarding postfix + ldap setup but > unfortunately the docs at postfix.org is old and not updated. > > > Can you share some of your sites regarding config and setup > on postfix + ldap? This is probably more than you need, but check out the HOWTO at http://jamm.sf.net/ It works perfectly on EL3, so I imagine it should be fine on WB. Haven't tried it on WB yet. Keith -- Keith T. Garner kgarner@kgarner.com "Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood." - Daniel H. Burnham _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 From jjma100@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 5 12:50:42 2004 From: jjma100@yahoo.co.uk (Jon) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:50:42 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Adaptec Raid 2005s with WBEL In-Reply-To: <20041104210700.25277.2956.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: Hi Anyone experience of getting software installed on White box to monitor an adaptec 2005s card - adaptec software lists only redhat 7.3? Any other generic software that can mnonitor state of raid array would also be welcome. regards Jon From Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com Fri Nov 5 13:46:52 2004 From: Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com (Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:46:52 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Adaptec Raid 2005s with WBEL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004BB5A886256F43_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I use is "dptapps-static-3.1.24-1.i386.rpm" from Adaptec. It has worked fine and the same package also works for 2015S. I recall having a difficult time finding the rpm, so if you have trouble getting it, contact me off the list and I'll send it to you. $ rpm -ql --info dptapps-static Name : dptapps-static Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 3.24 Vendor: Adaptec, Inc. Release : 1 Build Date: Wed 06 Mar 2002 12:00:21 PM EST Install date: Mon 16 Feb 2004 06:53:26 AM EST Build Host: linuxtest.otc.adaptec.com Group : Applications/System Source RPM: dptapps-static-3.24-1.src.rpm Size : 8611132 License: Commercial Signature : (none) Packager : Adaptec, Inc. URL : http://www.adaptec.com/ Summary : Adaptec Raid Management Software Description : This package contains software to administer Adaptec RAID controllers /etc/rc.d/init.d/dpt /root/.gnome-desktop/Storage Manager.desktop /root/Desktop/Storage Manager.kdelnk /root/Desktop2/Storage Manager /root/KDesktop/Storage Manager /usr/dpt/dptcom /usr/dpt/dptcom.chk /usr/dpt/dptelog /usr/dpt/dptelog.ini /usr/dpt/dpteng /usr/dpt/dptmgr /usr/dpt/dptmgr.hlp /usr/dpt/dptmgr.ini /usr/dpt/dptmgr.rsc /usr/dpt/dptscom /usr/dpt/dptsig /usr/dpt/dptutil /usr/dpt/libXm.so /usr/dpt/libXm.so.2 /usr/dpt/libXm.so.2.1 /usr/dpt/raidutil /usr/local/man/man8/dptutil.8 /usr/local/man/man8/raidutil.8 /usr/share/icons/a.xpm "Jon" Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/05/2004 06:50 AM To cc Subject [WBEL-users] Adaptec Raid 2005s with WBEL Hi Anyone experience of getting software installed on White box to monitor an adaptec 2005s card - adaptec software lists only redhat 7.3? Any other generic software that can mnonitor state of raid array would also be welcome. regards Jon _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=_alternative 004BB5A886256F43_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I use is "dptapps-static-3.1.24-1.i386.rpm" from Adaptec.  It has worked fine and the same package also works for 2015S.
I recall having a difficult time finding the rpm, so if you have trouble getting it, contact me off the list and I'll send it to you.

$ rpm -ql --info dptapps-static
Name        : dptapps-static               Relocations: (not relocateable)
Version     : 3.24                              Vendor: Adaptec, Inc.
Release     : 1                             Build Date: Wed 06 Mar 2002 12:00:21 PM EST
Install date: Mon 16 Feb 2004 06:53:26 AM EST      Build Host: linuxtest.otc.adaptec.com
Group       : Applications/System           Source RPM: dptapps-static-3.24-1.src.rpm
Size        : 8611132                          License: Commercial
Signature   : (none)
Packager    : Adaptec, Inc.
URL         : http://www.adaptec.com/
Summary     : Adaptec Raid Management Software
Description :
This package contains software to administer Adaptec RAID controllers
/etc/rc.d/init.d/dpt
/root/.gnome-desktop/Storage Manager.desktop
/root/Desktop/Storage Manager.kdelnk
/root/Desktop2/Storage Manager
/root/KDesktop/Storage Manager
/usr/dpt/dptcom
/usr/dpt/dptcom.chk
/usr/dpt/dptelog
/usr/dpt/dptelog.ini
/usr/dpt/dpteng
/usr/dpt/dptmgr
/usr/dpt/dptmgr.hlp
/usr/dpt/dptmgr.ini
/usr/dpt/dptmgr.rsc
/usr/dpt/dptscom
/usr/dpt/dptsig
/usr/dpt/dptutil
/usr/dpt/libXm.so
/usr/dpt/libXm.so.2
/usr/dpt/libXm.so.2.1
/usr/dpt/raidutil
/usr/local/man/man8/dptutil.8
/usr/local/man/man8/raidutil.8
/usr/share/icons/a.xpm


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--=_alternative 004BB5A886256F43_=-- From alfred@110.net Fri Nov 5 14:09:28 2004 From: alfred@110.net (Alfred von Campe) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:09:28 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E439A1F-2F34-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> > You can use dd to make a copy of your ISO images off of the CD's. > > dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso > > When you are done, verify the md5sum against the checksums posted on > the > whitebox site to make sure you got a good copy. I used the dd command to create new ISO images (and I also found the ISO images sitting on a co-worker's computer). But their size was slightly larger than the original ISOs, so of course the MD5 sums didn't match: -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 657719296 4 Nov 17:39 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662110208 4 Nov 17:58 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498499584 4 Nov 18:11 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 658026496 4 Nov 14:31 wbel3-1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662417408 4 Nov 14:33 wbel3-2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498806784 4 Nov 14:35 wbel3-3.iso However, I copied all these ISO images to my Mac, mounted the images, and then did a "diff -r", and there was no difference found on any of the three disks. Can anyone explain how this is possible? Alfred From grahamp@wsieurope.com Fri Nov 5 14:50:49 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:50:49 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: <4E439A1F-2F34-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> References: <4E439A1F-2F34-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> Message-ID: <418B9349.5050805@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060606030406090404050907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit blocking factor I suspect. Alfred von Campe wrote: >> You can use dd to make a copy of your ISO images off of the CD's. >> >> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso >> >> When you are done, verify the md5sum against the checksums posted on the >> whitebox site to make sure you got a good copy. > > > I used the dd command to create new ISO images (and I also found the ISO > images sitting on a co-worker's computer). But their size was slightly > larger than the original ISOs, so of course the MD5 sums didn't match: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 657719296 4 Nov 17:39 > liberation-respin1-binary-i386-1.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662110208 4 Nov 17:58 > liberation-respin1-binary-i386-2.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498499584 4 Nov 18:11 > liberation-respin1-binary-i386-3.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 658026496 4 Nov 14:31 wbel3-1.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662417408 4 Nov 14:33 wbel3-2.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498806784 4 Nov 14:35 wbel3-3.iso > > However, I copied all these ISO images to my Mac, mounted the images, > and then did a "diff -r", and there was no difference found on any of > the three disks. Can anyone explain how this is possible? > > Alfred > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------060606030406090404050907 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------060606030406090404050907-- From chris.audley@beacon-cs.com Fri Nov 5 17:18:26 2004 From: chris.audley@beacon-cs.com (Chris Audley) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:18:26 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs Message-ID: Sounds like a block size issue, try using a specific blocksize. Doing a little quick math, it looks like the LCD on the ISO images is 32K, so try Dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=32768 See if that gives you any better results. The only reason this matters is to get the MD5 checksums to match. The little extra padding that gets added to the end of the image because of the large blocksize does not negatively impact the integrity of the generated CD. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: Alfred von Campe [mailto:alfred@110.net] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:09 AM To: Chris Audley Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs > You can use dd to make a copy of your ISO images off of the CD's. > > dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso > > When you are done, verify the md5sum against the checksums posted on > the whitebox site to make sure you got a good copy. I used the dd command to create new ISO images (and I also found the ISO images sitting on a co-worker's computer). But their size was slightly larger than the original ISOs, so of course the MD5 sums didn't match: -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 657719296 4 Nov 17:39 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662110208 4 Nov 17:58 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498499584 4 Nov 18:11 liberation-respin1-binary-i386-3.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 658026496 4 Nov 14:31 wbel3-1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 662417408 4 Nov 14:33 wbel3-2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 alfred staff 498806784 4 Nov 14:35 wbel3-3.iso However, I copied all these ISO images to my Mac, mounted the images, and then did a "diff -r", and there was no difference found on any of the three disks. Can anyone explain how this is possible? Alfred From seth@integratedsolutions.org Fri Nov 5 18:12:11 2004 From: seth@integratedsolutions.org (Seth Bardash) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:12:11 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Kde-admin missing and found for WB 3.0 Message-ID: <200411051812.iA5ICHc27427@integratedsolutions.org> TWIMC in charge of WB+kde implementation: I was looking at our whitebox server and wanted to set up a cron job. Had used kcron in the past and was impressed with its ease of use. Alas, kcron was missing from the disti. Its supposed to be in kde-admin. No kde-admin in disti. Was wondering why this is? It was standard on most the kde installs I've seen so went looking for it on the web. Found the appropriate version in rpm form at: ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS kdeadmin-3.1-3.i386.rpm Ran rpm -ivh kdeadmin-3.1-3.i386.rpm Installed fine. Works great. FYI for those that like a graphic interface to some of the admin functions. Seth Bardash Integrated Solutions and Systems 1510 North Gate Road Colorado Springs, CO 80921 http://www.integratedsolutions.org Phone: 719-495-5866 Fax: 719-495-5870 Supplier of AMD, Intel and SPARC Servers and Systems running Windows, Linux, Solaris and VxWorks. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 5 18:29:35 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:29:35 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Kde-admin missing and found for WB 3.0 In-Reply-To: <200411051812.iA5ICHc27427@integratedsolutions.org> References: <200411051812.iA5ICHc27427@integratedsolutions.org> Message-ID: <418BC68F.1060906@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> if a package is not in whitebox it is because redhat did not include it in ther RHEL 3 version. Seth Bardash wrote: > TWIMC in charge of WB+kde implementation: > > I was looking at our whitebox server and wanted to set up a cron > job. > > Had used kcron in the past and was impressed with its ease of use. > > Alas, kcron was missing from the disti. Its supposed to be in > kde-admin. > > No kde-admin in disti. Was wondering why this is? > > It was standard on most the kde installs I've seen so went looking > for it on the web. > > Found the appropriate version in rpm form at: > > ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS > > kdeadmin-3.1-3.i386.rpm > > Ran rpm -ivh kdeadmin-3.1-3.i386.rpm > > Installed fine. Works great. > > FYI for those that like a graphic interface to some of the admin > functions. > > Seth Bardash > > Integrated Solutions and Systems > 1510 North Gate Road > Colorado Springs, CO 80921 > > http://www.integratedsolutions.org > > Phone: 719-495-5866 > Fax: 719-495-5870 > > Supplier of AMD, Intel and SPARC Servers and Systems running > Windows, Linux, Solaris and VxWorks. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From alfred@110.net Fri Nov 5 20:00:47 2004 From: alfred@110.net (Alfred von Campe) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:00:47 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628EABF5-2F65-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> > Sounds like a block size issue, try using a specific blocksize. Doing > a > little quick math, it looks like the LCD on the ISO images is 32K, so > try > > Dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=32768 Alas, that didn't do the trick. The ISO image created by the above dd command is identical to the one without the bs=32768. I also tried using bs=16384 and bs=65536, but they both produce the same results as dd=32768 or omitting bs entirely. One thing to note that the size difference for all three ISO images (between the originals and those created from the CDs with the dd command) is 307200, which is 300*1024 (or 75*4096). Can anyone find any relevance in this information? At this point, I have resolved my original problem. I'm now just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks, Alfred From weeboy@conorwynne.com Fri Nov 5 20:11:57 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:11:57 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: <628EABF5-2F65-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> References: <628EABF5-2F65-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> Message-ID: <1099685517.15844.1383.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-GGYF0SZaZ1qI3vRYO4e8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 20:00, Alfred von Campe wrote: > > Sounds like a block size issue, try using a specific blocksize. Doing=20 > > a > > little quick math, it looks like the LCD on the ISO images is 32K, so > > try > > > > Dd if=3D/dev/cdrom of=3Dimage.iso bs=3D32768 >=20 > Alas, that didn't do the trick. The ISO image created by the above dd=20 > command is identical to the one without the bs=3D32768. I also tried=20 > using bs=3D16384 and bs=3D65536, but they both produce the same results a= s=20 > dd=3D32768 or omitting bs entirely. >=20 > One thing to note that the size difference for all three ISO images=20 > (between the originals and those created from the CDs with the dd=20 > command) is 307200, which is 300*1024 (or 75*4096). Can anyone find=20 > any relevance in this information? I think there is a problem with your CD. do an md5 sum to check. Or use the test CD option pre-install time. >=20 > At this point, I have resolved my original problem. I'm now just=20 > trying to satisfy my curiosity. >=20 > Thanks, > Alfred >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-GGYF0SZaZ1qI3vRYO4e8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBi96NTlURc8L++sIRAqnpAJ4kVd7050x9CCwlBMQZiMdG4vb5aACbBEhj yr/EZOySyrppyeI0kcJH9wY= =r34G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GGYF0SZaZ1qI3vRYO4e8-- From alfred@110.net Fri Nov 5 20:22:12 2004 From: alfred@110.net (Alfred von Campe) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:22:12 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: <1099685517.15844.1383.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> References: <628EABF5-2F65-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> <1099685517.15844.1383.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> Message-ID: <6023EB9E-2F68-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> > I think there is a problem with your CD. do an md5 sum to check. Or use > the test CD option pre-install time. I've done many installs with these CDs. And the fact that all three CDs differ in size from the original ISO images by the same amount can't be a coincidence. Also, the ISO images created with dd from the CDs which were created from the original ISO images contain the same exact information (I mounted the ISO images and did a diff -r). So I don't think there is a problem with my CDs. The dd command somehow creates ISO images that are 302,700 bytes larger than the original ISO images, but they contain the exact same information. Alfred From chris.audley@beacon-cs.com Fri Nov 5 20:32:07 2004 From: chris.audley@beacon-cs.com (Chris Audley) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:32:07 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs Message-ID: I noticed an option in DiskJuggler today called 'add post-gap'. When I googled for more information I found this interesting little paragraph... Added an "Add post-gap to 3rd party .ISO images" to the "Advanced" properties tab: if a post-gap (75 empty blocks) is not added at the end of an .ISO image, the last file in the image may not be red correctly. See http://www.padus.com/products/discjuggler/standard/history_830.php So the extra bytes were probably added to the image on the disk during the burning process. Now any attempt to retrieve the image from the disk will include the extra blocks. You can use head to retrieve the correct number of bytes from the file and see if that gets you your original image (head -c 657719296 wbel3-1.iso > out.iso). -----Original Message----- From: Alfred von Campe [mailto:alfred@110.net] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:01 PM To: Chris Audley Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs > Sounds like a block size issue, try using a specific blocksize. Doing > a little quick math, it looks like the LCD on the ISO images is 32K, > so try > > Dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=32768 Alas, that didn't do the trick. The ISO image created by the above dd command is identical to the one without the bs=32768. I also tried using bs=16384 and bs=65536, but they both produce the same results as dd=32768 or omitting bs entirely. One thing to note that the size difference for all three ISO images (between the originals and those created from the CDs with the dd command) is 307200, which is 300*1024 (or 75*4096). Can anyone find any relevance in this information? At this point, I have resolved my original problem. I'm now just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks, Alfred From C Lance Moxley Fri Nov 5 20:36:42 2004 From: C Lance Moxley (C Lance Moxley) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:36:42 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Sounds like a block size issue, try using a specific blocksize. Doing a > little quick math, it looks like the LCD on the ISO images is 32K, so Use "isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom" on the cd. You'll likely see that the logical block size is 2048. Doing a dd with bs=2048 should rip the .iso properly. It has worked for me many times. -- C Lance Moxley http://moxley.champaign.il.us:61821/ From mnk_kulkarni@yahoo.com Fri Nov 5 20:54:41 2004 From: mnk_kulkarni@yahoo.com (nikhil kulkarni) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:54:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] genhdlist not generating new hdlist file. Message-ID: <20041105205441.42565.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just installed wbel respin1, added a couple of new packages in the RPMS directory, modified the comps.xml file and ran genhdlist again to generate a new hdlist. But the size of the file remains the same, when I run the install the additional packages I specified are not installed. I duplicated the exact steps for rhel3 and they work fine. Can someone else run the same steps and post their observations. Thanks, Nik __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From alfred@110.net Fri Nov 5 21:06:44 2004 From: alfred@110.net (Alfred von Campe) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:06:44 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98E7C190-2F6E-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> > Use "isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom" on the cd. You'll likely see that the > logical block size is 2048. Doing a dd with bs=2048 should rip the > .iso properly. It has worked for me many times. No, that created an ISO image of the same size as the others. I think Chris Audley hit the nail on the head in his response: > Added an "Add post-gap to 3rd party .ISO images" to the "Advanced" > properties tab: if a post-gap (75 empty blocks) is not added at the end > of an .ISO image, the last file in the image may not be red correctly. > > See http://www.padus.com/products/discjuggler/standard/history_830.php > > So the extra bytes were probably added to the image on the disk during > the burning process. Now any attempt to retrieve the image from the > disk will include the extra blocks. Geez, there is that number 75 again. Can't be a coincidence! > You can use head to retrieve the correct number of bytes from the file > and see if that gets you your original image (head -c 657719296 > wbel3-1.iso > out.iso). DING! DING! DING! DING! We have a winner. Truncating the ISO image to the same size as the original ISO image did the trick -- even the MD5 sums match up. Case closed! Thanks everyone for all their help, Alfred From WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info Fri Nov 5 14:51:34 2004 From: WBEL-User02@TheMoreIKnow.info (Bernie Hoefer) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:51:34 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: <4E439A1F-2F34-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> References: <4E439A1F-2F34-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> Message-ID: <418B9376.7090006@TheMoreIKnow.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alfred von Campe wrote: === > images sitting on a co-worker's computer). But their size was slightly > larger than the original ISOs, so of course the MD5 sums didn't match: === > and then did a "diff -r", and there was no difference found on any of > the three disks. Can anyone explain how this is possible? === I've run into this, as well. The CD-R has the data on it, plus some padding. When you md5sum the ISO file, you're hashing just its data. When you md5sum the CD-R, you're hashing the data and the padding. See these websites for info: - -- Bernie Hoefer PGP e-mail is welcome. Get my 1024 bit signature key from: . "The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not understand." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBi5NockGmqURqb5MRAvu4AJ9XXuNm7LlzyX0MLP6bd5SmmzndbwCfXdYd R+mmFulgwr0UjySxQMWlpPQ= =CPh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From weage98@yahoo.com Sat Nov 6 02:37:41 2004 From: weage98@yahoo.com (Joshua Weage) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:37:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Creating ISO images from CDs In-Reply-To: <98E7C190-2F6E-11D9-9A85-000A957D6954@110.net> Message-ID: <20041106023741.9167.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Seems like there is already a solution to this problem. However, just to mention it, there is also a program called readcd that will copy a cd image to a file. The man page isn't all that useful, but I've used "readcd -clone" with success. I'm not sure what it does differently from dd. Josh ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From jean.lee@free.fr Sat Nov 6 08:54:07 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:54:07 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Last Opennssh version and how to create WBEL rpm from last sources. Message-ID: <418C912F.4050500@free.fr> Hello, I see that openssh is the ssh server for WBEL and, in the updates mirror, the last version for WBEL is openssh 3.6.1. On the Openssh website, it's the 3.9.1. How can I do to take their last sources (or anything else) and then create my own rpm for WBEL? What do I have to do then to give it (place it on an FTP server) to other WBEL users? Thanks for any help, Jean Lee From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Sat Nov 6 09:32:47 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 03:32:47 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Last Opennssh version and how to create WBEL rpm from last sources. In-Reply-To: <418C912F.4050500@free.fr> References: <418C912F.4050500@free.fr> Message-ID: <1099733567.19759.15.camel@Myth.home.local> On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 09:54 +0100, Jean Lee wrote: > Hello, > > I see that openssh is the ssh server for WBEL and, in the updates > mirror, the last version for WBEL is openssh 3.6.1. On the Openssh > website, it's the 3.9.1. How can I do to take their last sources (or > anything else) and then create my own rpm for WBEL? > > What do I have to do then to give it (place it on an FTP server) to > other WBEL users? > > Thanks for any help, > > Jean Lee > _______________________________________________ RedHat does something called "back porting", where they roll bug and security fixes from newer versions back into older versions of installed software. Here is the info RedHat has concerning backporting: https://www.redhat.com/advice/speaks_backport.html Since SSH is also used by Apache and SendMail/Postfix (for TLS), and I'm sure several other things, upgrading the version could effect other parts of your system. Unless you are going to check for updates to SSH everyday, and generate new install RPMs whenever a security issue is fixed, and ensure integration with all other RPMS installed on your system (upgrading those as necessary as well) I would highly recommend that you stay with the RHEL / WBEL rpms. I do sometimes produce RPMS and put them on my server, but I would not recommend them for use on a production server. Just my $0.02 ... ----------------------- Johnny Hughes From jean.lee@free.fr Sat Nov 6 12:33:54 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:33:54 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH as an FTP server Message-ID: <418CC4B2.5090100@free.fr> Hello all, I am using sshd as an FTP server but I have a problem : I want to give a per user connection. For example when 'client1' is connected, he can see only it's root directory (/usr/FTP/client1) and when 'client2' is connected, he can see only the directory /usr/FTP/client2. Each client can't see (like with an FTP server) any other directory. I can give restricted permissions but what I really want is to chroot 'client1' to /usr/FTP/client1 and chroot 'client2' to /usr/FTP/client2. Is there a way to do it ? I searched in the manual and on the openssh website and didn't find. Thanks for any help, Jean From randykel@swbell.net Sat Nov 6 14:17:17 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:17:17 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Last Opennssh version and how to create WBEL rpm from last sources. In-Reply-To: <418C912F.4050500@free.fr> References: <418C912F.4050500@free.fr> Message-ID: <418CDCED.6020008@swbell.net> Jean Lee wrote: > Hello, > > I see that openssh is the ssh server for WBEL and, in the updates > mirror, the last version for WBEL is openssh 3.6.1. On the Openssh > website, it's the 3.9.1. How can I do to take their last sources (or > anything else) and then create my own rpm for WBEL? > > What do I have to do then to give it (place it on an FTP server) to > other WBEL users? > Checkinstall is good for this (http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/). You can get the tarball for a package, untar it, do your ./configure and make, and where you normally do a 'make install', you type checkinstall. This will build and install an RPM for you for the package. If you are looking for the latest security updates, they might already be in your current ssh version. RedHat will often patch their version with the latest security fixes, and keep a lower version number than is current. Once you create the RPM's you can put them on a website and give your users a link on where to download them. From randykel@swbell.net Sat Nov 6 14:40:37 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:40:37 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH as an FTP server In-Reply-To: <418CC4B2.5090100@free.fr> References: <418CC4B2.5090100@free.fr> Message-ID: <418CE265.9050705@swbell.net> Jean Lee wrote: > Hello all, > > I am using sshd as an FTP server but I have a problem : > > I want to give a per user connection. For example when 'client1' is > connected, he can see only it's root directory (/usr/FTP/client1) and > when 'client2' is connected, he can see only the directory > /usr/FTP/client2. Each client can't see (like with an FTP server) any > other directory. > I can give restricted permissions but what I really want is to chroot > 'client1' to /usr/FTP/client1 and chroot 'client2' to /usr/FTP/client2. > > Is there a way to do it ? I searched in the manual and on the openssh > website and didn't find. > Google is your friend (I searched for 'creating a chroot jail ssh' and found this): http://www.netadmintools.com/art294.html From webmaster@ew3d.com Sat Nov 6 23:47:01 2004 From: webmaster@ew3d.com (John Hinton) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:47:01 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Generating a PEM key Message-ID: <418D6275.60504@ew3d.com> OK, seems that Apache wants a PEM encoded key? Or at least from what I read in the ssl.conf file. So, I ran openssl req -new -key key.pem -out req.pem but Thawte tells me this is not a PEM encoded request? So, did I miss something or is Thawte missing something? Thanks, John Hinton From jim@well.com Sun Nov 7 02:52:33 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:52:33 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] newbie: how to get ftpd started Message-ID: <1317621B-3068-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> on white box the man page for ftpd doesn't spell out a command or a configuration file, though it suggests xinetd and services. Information for xinetd and services doesn't yield, either. what command to use to start (and stop) ftpd? in which conf file to put such a command (or corresponding specifications)? hopefully, jim From dpandori@nycap.rr.com Sun Nov 7 03:27:23 2004 From: dpandori@nycap.rr.com (Don Pandori) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:27:23 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Generating a PEM key In-Reply-To: <418D6275.60504@ew3d.com> References: <418D6275.60504@ew3d.com> Message-ID: <20041107032446.M96299@ltionline.com> John, Check this out: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html There's a step by step process documented for what you're asking. HTH - Don ---------- Original Message ----------- From: John Hinton To: Whitebox Users Sent: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:47:01 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Generating a PEM key > OK, seems that Apache wants a PEM encoded key? Or at least from what I > read in the ssl.conf file. So, I ran > > openssl req -new -key key.pem -out req.pem > > but Thawte tells me this is not a PEM encoded request? So, did I miss > something or is Thawte missing something? > > Thanks, > John Hinton > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users ------- End of Original Message ------- From jim@well.com Sun Nov 7 04:14:14 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:14:14 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? Message-ID: <7C311B76-3073-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> ftp has got a different name, starts with 'v' as in vsftpd. so I can start (and stop) it # /etc/init.d/vsftpd start and ps -alx shows it's running, but when I try to connect, connection times out. So I'm guessing I don't understand things in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf I saved the original file as /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confORG and saved my edits as /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confNEW /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf is a copy of either *ORG or *NEW, depending on what state I'm in (depressed or hopeful). right now, I'm both depressed and hopefully, jim From webmaster@ew3d.com Sun Nov 7 05:15:19 2004 From: webmaster@ew3d.com (John Hinton) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:15:19 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? In-Reply-To: <7C311B76-3073-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> References: <7C311B76-3073-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: <418DAF67.2090007@ew3d.com> Try turning off passive mode in your ftp client. If that doesn't work, take a look in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and have a nice long read on all the potential settings you may configure. It is a very flexible program. Best, John Hinton jim stockford wrote: > > > ftp has got a different name, starts with 'v' as in vsftpd. > > so I can start (and stop) it > # /etc/init.d/vsftpd start > > and ps -alx shows it's running, but when I try to connect, > connection times out. > > So I'm guessing I don't understand things in > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf > > I saved the original file as > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confORG > and saved my edits as /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confNEW > > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf is a copy of either *ORG or *NEW, > depending on what state I'm in (depressed or hopeful). > > right now, I'm both depressed and > hopefully, > jim > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From rval@acm.org Sun Nov 7 13:27:25 2004 From: rval@acm.org (Raymond Val) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:27:25 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? In-Reply-To: <418DAF67.2090007@ew3d.com> Message-ID: <200411071327.iA7DRfYW027743@library.beau.org> Jim, In addition to this, make sure that your firewall is allowing ftp and ftpd if you are using the firewall on the machine. Also, check to see if /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow are in use. Ray Val -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of John Hinton Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 00:15 To: jim stockford Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? Try turning off passive mode in your ftp client. If that doesn't work, take a look in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and have a nice long read on all the potential settings you may configure. It is a very flexible program. Best, John Hinton jim stockford wrote: > > > ftp has got a different name, starts with 'v' as in vsftpd. > > so I can start (and stop) it > # /etc/init.d/vsftpd start > > and ps -alx shows it's running, but when I try to connect, > connection times out. > > So I'm guessing I don't understand things in > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf > > I saved the original file as > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confORG > and saved my edits as /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confNEW > > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf is a copy of either *ORG or *NEW, > depending on what state I'm in (depressed or hopeful). > > right now, I'm both depressed and > hopefully, > jim > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From jscott@cpinternet.com Sun Nov 7 15:51:53 2004 From: jscott@cpinternet.com (JJ) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:51:53 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] newbie: how to get ftpd started In-Reply-To: <1317621B-3068-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: <200411071551.iA7Fp1fp013271@mail.cpinternet.com> Not sure bout the ftpd, but vsftp.... rpm -qa |grep vsftp If not, yum install vsftpd Config File: /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf Init script: /etc/init.d/vsftpd start | stop | restart Enable in runlevels: chkconfig vsftpd on chkconfig --list vsftpd More Help: man vsftpd.conf J.J. -----Original Message----- -on white box -the man page for ftpd doesn't spell out a command or a configuration file, though it suggests xinetd and services. -Information for xinetd and services doesn't yield, either. -what command to use to start (and stop) ftpd? -in which conf file to put such a command (or corresponding specifications)? -hopefully, -jim From Greg Knaddison Sun Nov 7 22:30:26 2004 From: Greg Knaddison (Greg Knaddison) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:30:26 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? In-Reply-To: <200411071327.iA7DRfYW027743@library.beau.org> References: <418DAF67.2090007@ew3d.com> <200411071327.iA7DRfYW027743@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <3861c6770411071430680a3e2e@mail.gmail.com> When vsftpd starts, by default it checks for the config file in /etc/vsftpd.conf - not in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf So, the file you are editing in the vsftpd subdirectory is not actually being used - unless you have made a special argument in your command line to take care of that.. I spent a lot of time working on my /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and pounding the keyboard until I read the man page and saw this: >From man vsftpd.conf: "By default, vsftpd looks for this file at the location /etc/vsftpd.conf. However, you may override this by specifying a command line argument to vsftpd. " Then everything was happy ;) Greg On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:27:25 -0500, Raymond Val wrote: > Jim, > > In addition to this, make sure that your firewall is allowing ftp and ftpd > if you are using the firewall on the machine. > > Also, check to see if /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow are in use. > > Ray Val > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] > On Behalf Of John Hinton > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 00:15 > To: jim stockford > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? > > Try turning off passive mode in your ftp client. If that doesn't work, > take a look in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and have a nice long read on all > the potential settings you may configure. It is a very flexible program. > > Best, > John Hinton > > jim stockford wrote: > > > > > > > ftp has got a different name, starts with 'v' as in vsftpd. > > > > so I can start (and stop) it > > # /etc/init.d/vsftpd start > > > > and ps -alx shows it's running, but when I try to connect, > > connection times out. > > > > So I'm guessing I don't understand things in > > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf > > > > I saved the original file as > > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confORG > > and saved my edits as /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.confNEW > > > > /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf is a copy of either *ORG or *NEW, > > depending on what state I'm in (depressed or hopeful). > > > > right now, I'm both depressed and > > hopefully, > > jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From david@uzzell.com.au Sun Nov 7 23:02:33 2004 From: david@uzzell.com.au (David Uzzell Jnr) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:02:33 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Issues on a server started 12 hours ago :( Message-ID: <418EA989.7000601@uzzell.com.au> WHitebox 3 respin 1 this is out of /var/log/messages Nov 8 09:56:19 garth kernel: Device 08:05 not ready. Nov 8 09:56:19 garth kernel: I/O error: dev 08:05, sector 3674464 If I try to run top [root@garth root]# top -bash: /usr/bin/top: Input/output error The server is a Dual PIII 1.4GHz with 3.5Gb ram running an Adaptec RAID5 I have checked the RAID array to make sure it is not a failure of a drive but it is online. Does anyone have any ideas what this might be? -- David Uzzell From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Sun Nov 7 23:42:55 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:42:55 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] vsftpd is ftpd! but how to connect? In-Reply-To: <418DAF67.2090007@ew3d.com> References: <7C311B76-3073-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> <418DAF67.2090007@ew3d.com> Message-ID: <418EB2FF.3060409@platypus.bc.ca> John Hinton wrote: > Try turning off passive mode in your ftp client. If that doesn't work, > take a look in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and have a nice long read on all > the potential settings you may configure. It is a very flexible program. .. just not as flexible as the decade-older app it's trying to replace! That, and a series of annoyances with this half-baked but potentially useful app, is why I tried Pro and one other whose name escapes me before settling back to Wu. IMHO, vsftpd was one of the more egregious examples of 'shiny-things creep' in RH8, shipment of half-baked featureless and documentation-free packages whose only claim to fame was being so new that their one-man devel team hadn't had to deal with a real bug yet. - bish -- From randykel@swbell.net Mon Nov 8 05:22:14 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:22:14 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Issues on a server started 12 hours ago :( In-Reply-To: <418EA989.7000601@uzzell.com.au> References: <418EA989.7000601@uzzell.com.au> Message-ID: <418F0286.2000901@swbell.net> David Uzzell Jnr wrote: > WHitebox 3 respin 1 > > > this is out of /var/log/messages > > Nov 8 09:56:19 garth kernel: Device 08:05 not ready. > Nov 8 09:56:19 garth kernel: I/O error: dev 08:05, sector 3674464 > Device 08:05 is /dev/sda5 so take a look at that. See if you can umount the drive and run fsck on it. From jean.lee@free.fr Mon Nov 8 11:18:48 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:18:48 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH as an FTP server In-Reply-To: <20041106222203.60490.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041106222203.60490.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418F5618.5070806@free.fr> Hello Brett, Thanks a lot for your answer. It's just what I want. Just a question : Does jail make sshd more vulnerable ? Is it a better solution than to patch Openssh with chrootssh ( http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ )? Regards, Jean Brett Moss wrote: >--- Jean Lee wrote: > > > >>Hello all, >> >>I am using sshd as an FTP server but I have a >>problem : >> >>I want to give a per user connection. For example >>when 'client1' is >>connected, he can see only it's root directory >>(/usr/FTP/client1) and >>when 'client2' is connected, he can see only the >>directory >>/usr/FTP/client2. Each client can't see (like with >>an FTP server) any >>other directory. >>I can give restricted permissions but what I really >>want is to chroot >>'client1' to /usr/FTP/client1 and chroot 'client2' >>to /usr/FTP/client2. >> >>Is there a way to do it ? I searched in the manual >>and on the openssh >>website and didn't find. >> >>Thanks for any help, >> >>Jean >> >> > >hello, >have a look at this project, i'm using it for what you >are asking for > >http://www.jmcresearch.com/projects/jail/ > >hth, >brett > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From weeboy@conorwynne.com Mon Nov 8 12:20:04 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:20:04 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] SAMBA3 NT4 PDC auth Message-ID: <16497.213.94.228.211.1099916404.squirrel@213.94.228.211> Hi all, I am forgetting something obvious: I have an NT4 (SBS) PDC for auth, samba-3.0.6-2.3E, and 'wbinfo -u' tell me: [root@as3 root]# wbinfo -u NOSSERS+Administrator NOSSERS+conor NOSSERS+diego NOSSERS+Guest NOSSERS+IUSR_SBSNT4 But when I try and access the server through network neighbourhood, I cannot. What have I forgotten? I have the flu, boohoo. -- Conor Wynne, Dublin, Irlande. From webmaster@ew3d.com Mon Nov 8 13:38:45 2004 From: webmaster@ew3d.com (John Hinton) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:38:45 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Generating a PEM key In-Reply-To: <20041107032446.M96299@ltionline.com> References: <418D6275.60504@ew3d.com> <20041107032446.M96299@ltionline.com> Message-ID: <418F76E5.2070201@ew3d.com> Does anyone know if the default server.key generated at install time is in PEM format? Sorry to be bothering the list, but I'm trying not to run around in circles here and having to submit new requests and waiting for a day or two for the new cert..... again. John Hinton > > > >>OK, seems that Apache wants a PEM encoded key? Or at least from what I >>read in the ssl.conf file. So, I ran >> >>openssl req -new -key key.pem -out req.pem >> >>but Thawte tells me this is not a PEM encoded request? So, did I miss >>something or is Thawte missing something? >> >>Thanks, >>John Hinton >> >> From rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Mon Nov 8 16:23:38 2004 From: rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu (Orlando Rubino) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:23:38 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox in the Government References: <16497.213.94.228.211.1099916404.squirrel@213.94.228.211> Message-ID: <01ee01c4c5af$4da5b2b0$058610ac@decont> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.electoral-vote.com -- ___________________________________ Orlando Rubino Gala Administración UONet Email = rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Email = orlando_rubino@yahoo.com Fax = 1(360) 351 - 0681 Phone = 632138 ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conor Wynne" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: [WBEL-users] SAMBA3 NT4 PDC auth > Hi all, > > I am forgetting something obvious: > > I have an NT4 (SBS) PDC for auth, samba-3.0.6-2.3E, and 'wbinfo -u' tell me: > > [root@as3 root]# wbinfo -u > NOSSERS+Administrator > NOSSERS+conor > NOSSERS+diego > NOSSERS+Guest > NOSSERS+IUSR_SBSNT4 > > But when I try and access the server through network neighbourhood, I cannot. > > What have I forgotten? > I have the flu, boohoo. > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Mon Nov 8 16:23:35 2004 From: rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu (Orlando Rubino) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:23:35 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox in the Government References: <16497.213.94.228.211.1099916404.squirrel@213.94.228.211> Message-ID: <01ed01c4c5af$4bc16250$058610ac@decont> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.electoral-vote.com -- ___________________________________ Orlando Rubino Gala Administración UONet Email = rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Email = orlando_rubino@yahoo.com Fax = 1(360) 351 - 0681 Phone = 632138 ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conor Wynne" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: [WBEL-users] SAMBA3 NT4 PDC auth > Hi all, > > I am forgetting something obvious: > > I have an NT4 (SBS) PDC for auth, samba-3.0.6-2.3E, and 'wbinfo -u' tell me: > > [root@as3 root]# wbinfo -u > NOSSERS+Administrator > NOSSERS+conor > NOSSERS+diego > NOSSERS+Guest > NOSSERS+IUSR_SBSNT4 > > But when I try and access the server through network neighbourhood, I cannot. > > What have I forgotten? > I have the flu, boohoo. > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From brettsspot@yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 16:40:52 2004 From: brettsspot@yahoo.com (Brett Moss) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:40:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH as an FTP server In-Reply-To: <418F5618.5070806@free.fr> Message-ID: <20041108164052.65672.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jean Lee wrote: > Hello Brett, > > Thanks a lot for your answer. It's just what I want. > Just a question : Does jail make sshd more > vulnerable ? > Is it a better solution than to patch Openssh with > chrootssh ( > http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ )? > > Regards, > > Jean > hello, i'm not sure i can answer that question. i suggest you post it to the two projects mailing lists. i sure would be interested in the results of that question. i can say though i have used jail ( http://www.jmcresearch.com/projects/jail/ ) for quite some time with no problems at all. good luck, brett __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From jean.lee@free.fr Mon Nov 8 17:28:39 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:28:39 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] newbie: how to get ftpd started In-Reply-To: <1317621B-3068-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> References: <1317621B-3068-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: <418FACC7.7050206@free.fr> I think you should better use vsftpd. It is the ftp server which is included with WBEL. After install, you can start/stop it with : chkconfig vsftpd on/off. You can also activate through the general menu : Menu-> Systemn settings ->Server settings-> services For more informations : man vsftpd man vsftpd.conf or google Hope this helps Jean jim stockford wrote: > > > on white box > the man page for ftpd doesn't spell out a command or > a configuration file, though it suggests xinetd and services. > Information for xinetd and services doesn't yield, either. > > what command to use to start (and stop) ftpd? > in which conf file to put such a command (or corresponding > specifications)? > > hopefully, > jim > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From Maartin Barac Mon Nov 8 18:06:04 2004 From: Maartin Barac (Maartin Barac) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:06:04 +0200 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41871235.3060507@TheMoreIKnow.info> Message-ID: gmail rocks man this conversation feature is just so cool I love it. I have been a user now only for 23 months not a single spam message as yet not via a list or directly. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:09:59 -0600, psychoelmo wrote: > with the giga-wars in the free email business, i'd suggest picking up > a gmail account for mailing lists, and only them (there's plenty of > sites offering invites w/o a catch). a gig of storage, message > threading, and easy searches, can't really beat it for list mail. the > ads? hardly notice them. most threads are longer than the first > screen, and the ads (text only) are only "above the fold". > > i find it a great place to stash high-volume lists like debian's. > their spam filters aren't bad, they miss some though. they'll improve > over time, i suppose. most of the spam is actually sent to a list, not > to my address itself. i also like that i can look and google through > old list mails at home or at work. a heck of a lot easier than digging > through the actual list archive itself, especially if you're looking > for something but dont remember exactly which list it was in. but i > dread the time i have to go back and clean out old mail to make room > for more. they haven't implemented an easy way to delete quantities of > mail yet. (got a few months to go before i run out of space though :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From jason@coalescentsystems.ca Mon Nov 8 16:26:23 2004 From: jason@coalescentsystems.ca (Jason Becker) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:26:23 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] OT - Re: WhiteBox in the Government Message-ID: <418F9E2F.6090205@coalescentsystems.ca> Very interesting, considering that the Votemaster is none other than Andrew Tanenbaum: http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/votemaster-faq.html You'd think an organization he's associated with would be running an OS with a microkernel. ;-) Cheers -- Jason Becker Director & CEO Coalescent Systems Inc. 403.244.8089 www.coalescentsystems.ca From fernandodiaz@titsa.com Mon Nov 8 19:01:01 2004 From: fernandodiaz@titsa.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_J._D=EDaz_Vilela?=) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:01:01 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] mount: error 6 mounting ext3 Message-ID: <001901c4c5c5$4a510770$0a02a8c0@FJDVPC> Hello All penguins: I'm trying to upgrade kernel from 2.4 to 2.6.22 and when I reboot it with new kernel break with kernel panic, displaying the next: ... Mounting root filesystem Mount: error 6 mounting ext3 Pivotroot: pivot_root (/sysroot, /sysroot/initrd) failed: 2 Umount /initrd/proc failed: 2 Mounted devfs on /dev Freeing unused kernel memory: 204 freed Kernel Panic: No init found, try passing init= option to kernel I read same docs but I don't know what I did wrong, can you help me? I can reboot with old kernel (see 5.- lilo) to do changes. *1.- I upgrade gcc, make, binutils, util-linux, module-init-tools, efs2progs, jfsutils, reiserfsprogs, xfsprogs, pcmcia-cs, quota-tools, PPP, isdn4k-utils, nfs-utils, procps and oprofile to the last version as say in Documentation/Changes, *2.- I configure it with ext3 support (it's file systems part of .config)): # # File systems # CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR=y # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_SECURITY is not set CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR is not set CONFIG_JBD=y # CONFIG_JBD_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_FS_MBCACHE=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y # CONFIG_REISERFS_CHECK is not set # CONFIG_REISERFS_PROC_INFO is not set # CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_XATTR is not set # CONFIG_JFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_XFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_MINIX_FS is not set # CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_QUOTA is not set # CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS is not set CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y # # CD-ROM/DVD Filesystems # CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y # CONFIG_ZISOFS is not set # CONFIG_UDF_FS is not set # # DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems # CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1" # CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set # # Pseudo filesystems # CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_KCORE=y CONFIG_SYSFS=y CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y # CONFIG_DEVFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS_XATTR is not set CONFIG_TMPFS=y # CONFIG_HUGETLBFS is not set # CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE is not set CONFIG_RAMFS=y # # Miscellaneous filesystems # # CONFIG_ADFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set CONFIG_HFS_FS=m # CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS is not set CONFIG_BEFS_FS=m # CONFIG_BEFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_BFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_EFS_FS is not set CONFIG_CRAMFS=m CONFIG_VXFS_FS=m # CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_QNX4FS_FS is not set CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m CONFIG_UFS_FS=m *3.- My gcc is version 3.2.3-20 *4.- I launch make clean ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install ; make install *5.- I edit lilo like: prompt timeout=50 default=linux boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message lba32 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004 label=linux initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004.img read-only append="root=LABEL=/" root=/dev/hda2 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-4.EL label=linux-2.4 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-4.EL.img read-only append="root=LABEL=/" *6.- And it is my /etc/fstab: LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 None /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 None /proc proc defaults 0 0 None /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 none /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 Thanks for your time! Fernando J. Dķaz Vilela Técnico de Sistemas Dirección de Informįtica Transportes Interurbanos de Tenerife S.A.U. Polķgono Cuevas Blancas, Manzana 4, C/Punta de Anaga, 1 38109 - Santa Cruz de Tenerife - ESPAŃA Tlf.- 922 479 500 Extensión 152 Fax 922 479 502 e-mail: fernandodiaz@titsa.com From israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu Mon Nov 8 20:19:24 2004 From: israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu (israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA RAID problem! Message-ID: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> I am running WB3.0 respin 1, my server is an INTEL D865PERL (ICH5 chipset) with two HDD 80 GB each, so my instalation recognized 2 SCSI (sda and sdb) drives, I have read on the net that I have to install first WB in a PATA hdd, download a recent kernel and change the RAID to the new HDD... My question: How can I install WB in this computer using RAID with this hard drives? What vertion of the kernel support ICH5 SATA RAID? What can I do? regards... Israel Garcia Alvarez Linux Counter User #196178 Corporacion CIMEX Villa Clara From israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu Mon Nov 8 20:19:24 2004 From: israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu (israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA RAID problem! Message-ID: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> I am running WB3.0 respin 1, my server is an INTEL D865PERL (ICH5 chipset) with two HDD 80 GB each, so my instalation recognized 2 SCSI (sda and sdb) drives, I have read on the net that I have to install first WB in a PATA hdd, download a recent kernel and change the RAID to the new HDD... My question: How can I install WB in this computer using RAID with this hard drives? What vertion of the kernel support ICH5 SATA RAID? What can I do? regards... Israel Garcia Alvarez Linux Counter User #196178 Corporacion CIMEX Villa Clara From israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu Mon Nov 8 20:19:24 2004 From: israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu (israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA RAID problem! Message-ID: <0411081099.AA1099945806@ws3.cimex.com.cu> I am running WB3.0 respin 1, my server is an INTEL D865PERL (ICH5 chipset) with two HDD 80 GB each, so my instalation recognized 2 SCSI (sda and sdb) drives, I have read on the net that I have to install first WB in a PATA hdd, download a recent kernel and change the RAID to the new HDD... My question: How can I install WB in this computer using RAID with this hard drives? What vertion of the kernel support ICH5 SATA RAID? What can I do? regards... Israel Garcia Alvarez Linux Counter User #196178 Corporacion CIMEX Villa Clara From israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu Mon Nov 8 20:19:24 2004 From: israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu (israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA RAID problem! Message-ID: <0411081099.AA1099945806@ws3.cimex.com.cu> I am running WB3.0 respin 1, my server is an INTEL D865PERL (ICH5 chipset) with two HDD 80 GB each, so my instalation recognized 2 SCSI (sda and sdb) drives, I have read on the net that I have to install first WB in a PATA hdd, download a recent kernel and change the RAID to the new HDD... My question: How can I install WB in this computer using RAID with this hard drives? What vertion of the kernel support ICH5 SATA RAID? What can I do? regards... Israel Garcia Alvarez Linux Counter User #196178 Corporacion CIMEX Villa Clara From gri0941@uta.edu Mon Nov 8 19:56:19 2004 From: gri0941@uta.edu (Ganeshram Iyer) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:56:19 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> Message-ID: <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> I know this question is not Whitebox specific but I had a question regarding a 60GB USB HD which I want to mount and format using Whitebox. What file system do I need to use to ensure that this HD can be read using both Window as well Linux? Thanks in advance for your comments/answers/suggestions. Ganesh From rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Mon Nov 8 20:07:36 2004 From: rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu (Orlando Rubino) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:07:36 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] OT - Re: WhiteBox in the Government References: <418F9E2F.6090205@coalescentsystems.ca> Message-ID: <002a01c4c5ce$9746f040$058610ac@decont> Whitebox with microkernel? that good!!!! -- ___________________________________ Orlando Rubino Gala Administración UONet Email = rubino@deco.uo.edu.cu Email = orlando_rubino@yahoo.com Fax = 1(360) 351 - 0681 Phone = 632138 ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Becker" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: [WBEL-users] OT - Re: WhiteBox in the Government > Very interesting, considering that the Votemaster is none other than > Andrew Tanenbaum: > > http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/votemaster-faq.html > > You'd think an organization he's associated with would be running an OS > with a microkernel. ;-) > > Cheers > -- > Jason Becker > Director & CEO > Coalescent Systems Inc. > 403.244.8089 > www.coalescentsystems.ca > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From temp_1@bluewin.ch Mon Nov 8 21:13:05 2004 From: temp_1@bluewin.ch (Eric Andrieux) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:13:05 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Generating a PEM key In-Reply-To: <20041108180001.22709.86704.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: The default server.key is valid (I hope so) but created with localhost.localdomain, so unless you don't give any name to your server you'll have to create another key which match your domain. I personally followed with fedora how-to with success: http://sxs.thexdershome.com/internet_serving/apache2.html#MOD_SSL > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Generating a PEM key > > Does anyone know if the default server.key generated at install time is > in PEM format? Sorry to be bothering the list, but I'm trying not to run > around in circles here and having to submit new requests and waiting for > a day or two for the new cert..... again. > > John Hinton From cameron@gwschool.com Mon Nov 8 21:48:01 2004 From: cameron@gwschool.com (Cameron Showalter) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:48:01 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> Message-ID: <418FE991.4090601@gwschool.com> So, you want to view files from linux in windows and vice versa? AFAIK, windows won't read extX, reiserfs, jfs, etc... and you will most likely run into problem(s) installing linux on a fat32 partition. why not try mounting /ddrive or some similar name as a fat32 partition and you'd be able to move files from either linux or win? From tcooper@starpower.net Mon Nov 8 22:03:35 2004 From: tcooper@starpower.net (Tom Cooper) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:03:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> Message-ID: <4508.216.164.48.102.1099951415.squirrel@216.164.48.102> Ganeshram Iyer said: > I know this question is not Whitebox specific but I had a question > regarding a 60GB USB HD which I want to mount and format using Whitebox. > What file system do I need to use to ensure that this HD can be read > using both Window as well Linux? The limitation is primarily on the Windows side. Linux can natively read and write many different filesystems. Depending on your needs, you will probably want to choose Fat32 as the partition type. Fat32 will allow you to create a filesystem that large, but (with fairly large allocation units.) You don't mention whether you're talking about 98, ME, XP Home, or XP Pro. The XP flavors will read and write NTFS, too, but linux support for read and write of NTFS partitions is not mainstream yet. Remember that FAT32 does not support permissions, so the entire volume will be read/write for all users while Windows is booted. You can exert some control over read/write for the partition under Linux by modifying the mount permissions. Hope this helps. From javanree@vanree.net Mon Nov 8 22:11:08 2004 From: javanree@vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:11:08 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> Message-ID: <200411082311.08182.javanree@vanree.net> On Monday 08 November 2004 20:56, Ganeshram Iyer wrote: > I know this question is not Whitebox specific but I had a question > regarding a 60GB USB HD which I want to mount and format using Whitebox. > What file system do I need to use to ensure that this HD can be read > using both Window as well Linux? If just reading under Linux is sufficient, and write/read under Windows, you can use NTFS, and grab the NTFS package and build your own RPM's (or fetch them somewhere, I've got NTFS RPM's at http://www.vanree.net/wbel30/personal/ , they need to match your WBEL kernel!) I mount my Windows XP partition this way. I used FAT32 for my games/"data" partition (real data never goes beyond my Linux install, thus on EXT3) If you want to read+write under Linux you're stuck with FAT32 as far as I know, and you'll have to split the disk, FAT32 IIRC doesn't go beyond about 32 GB. -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Tue Nov 9 02:00:24 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:00:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] mount: error 6 mounting ext3 Message-ID: <1203.192.168.0.254.1099965624.squirrel@whooper.org> Fernando J. Dķaz Vilela said: > Hello All penguins: [snip] > *4.- I launch make clean ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make > modules_install ; make install > > *5.- I edit lilo like: [snip] > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004 > label=linux > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004.img > read-only > append="root=LABEL=/" > root=/dev/hda2 Did you create the initrd after compiling the kernel? -- William Hooper -- William Hooper From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Tue Nov 9 02:00:38 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:00:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] OT - Re: WhiteBox in the Government Message-ID: <1207.192.168.0.254.1099965638.squirrel@whooper.org> Jason Becker said: > Very interesting, considering that the Votemaster is none other than > Andrew Tanenbaum: > > > http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/votemaster-faq.html > > > You'd think an organization he's associated with would be running an OS > with a microkernel. ;-) And Andrew Tanenbaum is not "in the Government". Or in the US for that matter. -- William Hooper -- William Hooper From nozy@mozysswamp.org Tue Nov 9 06:09:10 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:09:10 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Update Kernal on WB In-Reply-To: <4185EBF0.6000807@uni-konstanz.de> References: <1098939920.6220.35.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <1042.192.168.0.3.1098951719.squirrel@192.168.0.3> <1098972571.3817.29.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <4181F35B.5090502@uni-konstanz.de> <1099275197.3936.131.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <4185EBF0.6000807@uni-konstanz.de> Message-ID: <1099980549.5126.0.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-N2xVKWJsN5EIUpfM37ea Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kay Just put in 2.4.27 and she works will thanks ...... On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:55, Kay Diederichs wrote: > Michael Falzon wrote: > > FAQ of WB ? can see it ? > > > > someone should write it! > > But your particular problem is a RHEL one, and not specific for WBEL. > > Kay See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-N2xVKWJsN5EIUpfM37ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Kay
      Just put in 2.4.27 and she works will thanks ......

On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 18:55, Kay Diederichs wrote:
Michael Falzon wrote:
> FAQ of WB ? can see it ?
> 

someone should write it!

But your particular problem is a RHEL one, and not specific for WBEL.

Kay

See BUG.  "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" 
A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it.


Michael Falzon (RHCT) 
Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs
http://mozysswamp.org
Registered LFS User   #406
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--=-N2xVKWJsN5EIUpfM37ea-- From jean.lee@free.fr Tue Nov 9 08:48:24 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:48:24 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? Message-ID: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> Hello all, I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how to do it. My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with added chroot functionnality). Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : rpm -e openssh and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to openssh... I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? Thanks for any help, Jean From grahamp@wsieurope.com Tue Nov 9 10:04:18 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:04:18 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> Message-ID: <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000007060601090906030903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No nothing wrong. You can't uninstall openssh as the packages it mentions depends on it. So you either force uninstall or remove the dependant packages as well at the same time. I suspect you want the first. Use --nodeps. Try reading 'man rpm' on the section on ERASEING packages. This may give you more insight. Hope this helps Jean Lee wrote: > Hello all, > > I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how to > do it. > > My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is > installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot which > is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with added > chroot functionnality). > > Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : > rpm -e openssh > and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : > openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to > openssh... > > I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly > uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is > probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall openssh-server > and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. > > What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package which > has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there another way > which ensure that nothing will be broken? > > Thanks for any help, > > Jean > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------000007060601090906030903 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------000007060601090906030903-- From jean.lee@free.fr Tue Nov 9 10:17:20 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:17:20 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <41909930.6080008@free.fr> And using nodeps won't create any problem with netdump after reinstalling Openssh (or do I have to be careful with some shared libraries)? Thank you Graham Purcocks wrote: > No nothing wrong. You can't uninstall openssh as the packages it > mentions depends on it. So you either force uninstall or remove the > dependant packages as well at the same time. I suspect you want the > first. Use --nodeps. > > Try reading 'man rpm' on the section on ERASEING packages. This may > give you more insight. > > Hope this helps > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how >> to do it. >> >> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >> added chroot functionnality). >> >> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >> rpm -e openssh >> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >> openssh... >> >> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is >> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >> >> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Jean >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From grahamp@wsieurope.com Tue Nov 9 10:58:18 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:18 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41909930.6080008@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> Message-ID: <4190A2CA.50907@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020706080507080506010404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Using --nodeps mearly allows you to remove the package you wish. After that you are on your own because you are ignoring the fact that other packages depend on it. I cannot guarantee that reinstalling the new package will still work. Didn't I read something similar to this over the weekend. Check the archives. It was about Redhat back porting important changes, so are you sure that you really need to upgrade? Bottom line is, if you move from the standard installation you are on your own unless someone else on the list has done the same thing. Not much help, I'm afraid. Jean Lee wrote: > And using nodeps won't create any problem with netdump after > reinstalling Openssh (or do I have to be careful with some shared > libraries)? > > Thank you > > Graham Purcocks wrote: > >> No nothing wrong. You can't uninstall openssh as the packages it >> mentions depends on it. So you either force uninstall or remove the >> dependant packages as well at the same time. I suspect you want the >> first. Use --nodeps. >> >> Try reading 'man rpm' on the section on ERASEING packages. This may >> give you more insight. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Jean Lee wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how >>> to do it. >>> >>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >>> added chroot functionnality). >>> >>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>> rpm -e openssh >>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >>> openssh... >>> >>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >>> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is >>> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >>> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >>> >>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >>> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >>> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> >>> Jean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Whitebox-users mailing list >>> Whitebox-users@beau.org >>> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> --------------020706080507080506010404 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------020706080507080506010404-- From fernandodiaz@titsa.com Tue Nov 9 11:02:24 2004 From: fernandodiaz@titsa.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_J._D=EDaz_Vilela?=) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:02:24 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] mount: error 6 mounting ext3 In-Reply-To: <1203.192.168.0.254.1099965624.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <000b01c4c64b$97d1ea60$0a02a8c0@FJDVPC> Yes, I did it at *4.- time (make clean, bzImage ...) it was created automatically, I could look it with ls -l. Fernando J. Dķaz Vilela Técnico de Sistemas Dirección de Informįtica Transportes Interurbanos de Tenerife S.A.U. -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de William Hooper Enviado el: martes, 09 de noviembre de 2004 2:00 Para: whitebox-users@beau.org Asunto: Re: [WBEL-users] mount: error 6 mounting ext3 Fernando J. Dķaz Vilela said: > Hello All penguins: [snip] > *4.- I launch make clean ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make > modules_install ; make install > > *5.- I edit lilo like: [snip] > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004 > label=linux > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.8.1.27Oct2004.img > read-only > append="root=LABEL=/" > root=/dev/hda2 Did you create the initrd after compiling the kernel? -- William Hooper -- William Hooper _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From jhp@jhprins.org Tue Nov 9 11:04:17 2004 From: jhp@jhprins.org (Jan Hugo Prins) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:04:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has In-Reply-To: <41909930.6080008@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> Message-ID: <46712.65.173.228.60.1099998257.squirrel@65.173.228.60> > And using nodeps won't create any problem with netdump after > reinstalling Openssh (or do I have to be careful with some shared > libraries)? > > Thank you > The best way to go is to make a new RPM package for the newer version of OpenSSH and upgrade to this new version. This way you probebly won't have any conflicts with dependancies and you keep your RPM database consistent. Jan Hugo Prins From Jim Wildman Tue Nov 9 11:28:12 2004 From: Jim Wildman (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:28:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41909930.6080008@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jean Lee wrote: > And using nodeps won't create any problem with netdump after > reinstalling Openssh (or do I have to be careful with some shared > libraries)? > On the contrary, it could cause lots of very difficult to diagnose problems. Either 1) Compile the newer ssh into an rpm and install it 2) Compile the newer ssh using the correct flags to drop everything into /usr/local and run it from there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From matt@xrefer.com Tue Nov 9 11:28:54 2004 From: matt@xrefer.com (Matt Dainty) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:28:54 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <4190A2CA.50907@wsieurope.com> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> <4190A2CA.50907@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <1099999734.26638.9.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:58, Graham Purcocks wrote: > > Didn't I read something similar to this over the weekend. Check the > archives. It was about Redhat back porting important changes, so are you > sure that you really need to upgrade? Yup, number one popular misconception I'd say. Get the bugfixes without being sprung with new functionality unexpectedly. Matt From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Tue Nov 9 11:56:42 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:56:42 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <4190B07A.2060304@platypus.bc.ca> How easily you toss about --nodeps! Oh, the abuse to the RPMdb! That's the absolute best way to cause yourself all manner of grief. The number-two way, of course, is to install software by tarball: the RPMdb 'knows' that openssh is version 3.6.1p2, but the software is really 3.9p1. It causes HUGE problems when you're actually building new software on such a broken system, but even under normal use it causes the second-most number of calls into the call centre. Luckily I don't work that call centre; I'd instruct people to immediately rpm-e their rpm installation, for it's more useless with each new hand-hacked package some cowboy puts on after that. (what, you think you'd escape a rant?) Jean, try using 'yum remove openssh'. It'll remove openssh and everything which depends on it. At the least, it will tell you which RPMs you will affect by removing openssh. In this case, the list is short: > [root@fishy /]# yum remove openssh > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 - i386 - Base > Server: White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 - i386 - Released Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > xpdf-1-2.02-8.i386.hdr 100% |=========================| 9.6 kB 00:00 > Resolving dependencies > ...Dependencies resolved > I will do the following: > [erase: openssh 3.6.1p2-33.30.1.i386] > I will erase these to satisfy the dependencies: > [deps: openssh-server 3.6.1p2-33.30.1.i386] > [deps: openssh-askpass-gnome 3.6.1p2-33.30.1.i386] > [deps: openssh-askpass 3.6.1p2-33.30.1.i386] > [deps: desktop-printing 0.1.10-15.1.i386] > [deps: netdump 0.6.11-3.i386] > [deps: kdebase 6:3.1.3-5.4.i386] > [deps: user-account-cvs 1.2-5.i386] > [deps: openssh-clients 3.6.1p2-33.30.1.i386] > Is this ok [y/N]: You may just want to roll an upgrade RPM for openssh and install that instead. That way, your upgrade won't cause any complaints. Well, that's not too hard: > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1.src.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-clients-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-server-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm Mind you, I haven't examined, compared or tested this RPM, but I did hand-assess the patches and it did roll something valid. Now all I need is the chroot patch. Here are the ones I found; which are you using? - homedir /home/./username patch > http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-3.9p1.diff - chrootuser config option > http://majikal.dyn.dhs.org/projekts/openssh_chroot_patch/openssh-3.5p1+chroot.patch Let me know and I'll have something for you to test soon afterward. - bish Graham Purcocks wrote: > No nothing wrong. You can't uninstall openssh as the packages it > mentions depends on it. So you either force uninstall or remove the > dependant packages as well at the same time. I suspect you want the > first. Use --nodeps. > > Try reading 'man rpm' on the section on ERASEING packages. This may give > you more insight. > > Hope this helps > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how to >> do it. >> >> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >> added chroot functionnality). >> >> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >> rpm -e openssh >> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >> openssh... >> >> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is >> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >> >> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there another >> way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Jean >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Rooseveldt, 1918 From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Tue Nov 9 12:05:22 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 04:05:22 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <1099999734.26638.9.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> <4190A2CA.50907@wsieurope.com> <1099999734.26638.9.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> Message-ID: <4190B282.4030302@platypus.bc.ca> Matt Dainty wrote: > On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:58, Graham Purcocks wrote: > >>Didn't I read something similar to this over the weekend. Check the >>archives. It was about Redhat back porting important changes, so are you >>sure that you really need to upgrade? > > Yup, number one popular misconception I'd say. Get the bugfixes without > being sprung with new functionality unexpectedly. I personally fear for the wget/configure/make/makezlilo kernel upgraders who happen to miss out on about 7Mb of added patches and customization. Ya know? I blame bugtraq and friends for that one, too: Folks get reading, and decide that they *need* the new Version XYZ or they *can't* possibly be safe. Meanwhile, RH/Mdk/CL are testing a backported patch, and people who really never stressed about it all get an upgrade for doing Nothing. Herd membership is nice while the herd's still moving. And since EVERY distro does the backport dance, you think folks'd've figured it out by now, eh? - bish -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Rooseveldt, 1918 From ecroft@OPENRATINGS.com Tue Nov 9 13:09:14 2004 From: ecroft@OPENRATINGS.com (Edward Croft) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:09:14 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Issue with showing Global Address List Message-ID: <1100005754.30156.4.camel@aine.hq.openratings.com> I had the connector working with prior versions of Evolution. When I wanted to look up a name, I could go to contacts and pull up the global address list. If I clicked on find without entering a name, it would give me the entire list. After upgrading to 2.0.2, that does not work. I have to now enter something into the field before I get anything. This is tedious when you have to send emails to a number of people from the list. What happened and is there a fix? -- Edward M. Croft Sr. Systems Engineer Open Ratings, Inc. 200 West Street Waltham, MA 02451-1121 From bfriedman@tycoint.com Tue Nov 9 14:01:37 2004 From: bfriedman@tycoint.com (Brandon Friedman) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:01:37 +0200 Subject: [WBEL-users] HCL for Whitebox Message-ID: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> Hi All Newbie to Whitebox, I have a silly question? Is Whitebox's HCL the same as RHEL 3.0? I am trying to install on and HP ML110 Server with a Promise FastTrak S150 SX4/SX4000 SATA controller. Whitebox doesn't detect the controller, however RHEL supports it: http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=details&hid=5713 Any advice? Regards Brandon Friedman E-mail: bfriedman@tycoint.com ADT Security (Pty) Ltd 9 Charles Crescent Eastgate Ext 4 PO Box 782224, Sandton 2146 South Africa Telephone +27 (0)11 259 3501 Facsimile 086 680 9132 Registered as a security service provider by the Private Security Industry Regulatory Authority Registration number 765528 Managing Director : DB Strydom "This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email." 1 From jlewis@lewis.org Tue Nov 9 14:23:14 2004 From: jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:23:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] HCL for Whitebox In-Reply-To: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> References: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Brandon Friedman wrote: > Newbie to Whitebox, I have a silly question? Is Whitebox's HCL the same as > RHEL 3.0? > > I am trying to install on and HP ML110 Server with a Promise FastTrak S150 > SX4/SX4000 SATA controller. Whitebox doesn't detect the controller, however > RHEL supports it: > http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=details&hid=5713 The latest kernels do support it. The kernel on the install CD does not. AFAIK, RHEL 3.0 has the same problem. Easiest solution at the moment is probably to install on a PATA drive, upgrade kernel, then move system to SATA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ From adrians@turnkey.web.za Tue Nov 9 14:25:10 2004 From: adrians@turnkey.web.za (Adrian Snyman) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:25:10 +0200 Subject: [WBEL-users] HCL for Whitebox In-Reply-To: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> References: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> Message-ID: <200411091625.10956.adrians@turnkey.web.za> On Tuesday 09 November 2004 16:01, Brandon Friedman wrote: > Hi All > > Newbie to Whitebox, I have a silly question? Is Whitebox's HCL the same as > RHEL 3.0? > > I am trying to install on and HP ML110 Server with a Promise FastTrak S150 > SX4/SX4000 SATA controller. Whitebox doesn't detect the controller, however > RHEL supports it: > http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=details&hid=5713 > Page also says: NOTE: Requires Update 3. There is still another respin in the works ... -- Regards, Adrian Snyman Tel: (083)647-5299 /* Beat Me, Whip Me, Make me use Windows !! */ From randykel@swbell.net Tue Nov 9 14:36:50 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:36:50 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> Message-ID: <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> Jean Lee wrote: > Hello all, > > I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how to > do it. > > My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is > installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot > which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with > added chroot functionnality). As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of doing your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will create and install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have problems with the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' command. When you need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot easier to let rpm do the upgrade and keep track of the files. > > Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : > rpm -e openssh > and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : > openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to > openssh... > > I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly > uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is > probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall > openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. > > What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package > which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there another > way which ensure that nothing will be broken? In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method above first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you can rpm -e more than one package at a time: rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump yum is also handy for this: yum remove packagename > > Thanks for any help, > > Jean > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 14:35:54 2004 From: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Pete Biggs) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:35:54 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Issue with showing Global Address List In-Reply-To: <1100005754.30156.4.camel@aine.hq.openratings.com> References: <1100005754.30156.4.camel@aine.hq.openratings.com> Message-ID: <1100010954.1302.39.camel@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 08:09 -0500, Edward Croft wrote: > I had the connector working with prior versions of Evolution. When I > wanted to look up a name, I could go to contacts and pull up the global > address list. If I clicked on find without entering a name, it would > give me the entire list. After upgrading to 2.0.2, that does not work. I > have to now enter something into the field before I get anything. This > is tedious when you have to send emails to a number of people from the > list. What happened and is there a fix? As Evo2 isn't part of WBEL I doubt there will be many people with the in-depth knowledge of Evo & Connector you need. I suggest you go over to the Evo lists and ask there: http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution You can search the lists through google I think, but I don't think I've seen this particular issue come up. P. -- Pete Biggs :{) pete @ physchem.ox.ac.uk pete.biggs @ chem.ox.ac.uk 01865 275490 (Work) pete1biggs @ gmail.com pete @ biggs.org.uk From grahamp@wsieurope.com Tue Nov 9 14:50:39 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:50:39 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] HCL for Whitebox In-Reply-To: References: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> Message-ID: <4190D93F.5000703@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040902010203040801010709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has there been any indication of when/if there is going to be a Respin 2. These issues seem to be proliferating weekly as more and more SATA machines become available. Jon Lewis wrote: > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Brandon Friedman wrote: > > >>Newbie to Whitebox, I have a silly question? Is Whitebox's HCL the same as >>RHEL 3.0? >> >>I am trying to install on and HP ML110 Server with a Promise FastTrak S150 >>SX4/SX4000 SATA controller. Whitebox doesn't detect the controller, however >>RHEL supports it: >>http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=details&hid=5713 > > > The latest kernels do support it. The kernel on the install CD does not. > AFAIK, RHEL 3.0 has the same problem. > > Easiest solution at the moment is probably to install on a PATA drive, > upgrade kernel, then move system to SATA. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jon Lewis | I route > Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are > Atlantic Net | > _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------040902010203040801010709 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham org:WSI Ltd;Engineering adr:Hockley;;22-24 Vittoria Street;Birmingham;W.Midlands;B1 3PE;U.K. email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com title:Consultant Engineer tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wsieurope.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------040902010203040801010709-- From Andy Masiar Tue Nov 9 15:08:23 2004 From: Andy Masiar (Andy Masiar) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:08:23 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Google Alert - "beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users" In-Reply-To: References: <009101c4be7b$6ebc3720$6600a8c0@thomask> <418563B1.6050804@knology.net> <41866E5F.701@TheMoreIKnow.info> <4186C400.2040101@thefort.org> <1099351463.24111.187.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41871235.3060507@TheMoreIKnow.info> Message-ID: by the way, I have two invites left if anyone is interested :-) On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:06:04 +0200, Maartin Barac wrote: > gmail rocks man this conversation feature is just so cool I love it. > > I have been a user now only for 23 months not a single spam message as > yet not via a list or directly. > > > > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:09:59 -0600, psychoelmo wrote: > > with the giga-wars in the free email business, i'd suggest picking up > > a gmail account for mailing lists, and only them (there's plenty of > > sites offering invites w/o a catch). a gig of storage, message > > threading, and easy searches, can't really beat it for list mail. the > > ads? hardly notice them. most threads are longer than the first > > screen, and the ads (text only) are only "above the fold". > > > > i find it a great place to stash high-volume lists like debian's. > > their spam filters aren't bad, they miss some though. they'll improve > > over time, i suppose. most of the spam is actually sent to a list, not > > to my address itself. i also like that i can look and google through > > old list mails at home or at work. a heck of a lot easier than digging > > through the actual list archive itself, especially if you're looking > > for something but dont remember exactly which list it was in. but i > > dread the time i have to go back and clean out old mail to make room > > for more. they haven't implemented an easy way to delete quantities of > > mail yet. (got a few months to go before i run out of space though :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From jaldeguer@safnow.net Tue Nov 9 15:30:18 2004 From: jaldeguer@safnow.net (Joe Aldeguer) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles Message-ID: <33609.66.105.133.51.1100014218.squirrel@66.105.133.51> I'm mulling over the idea of replacing my Microsoft Windows 2000 server Active Directory with Samba. I'm tired of dealing with expensive server, client licenses. I am already using White Box 3.0 ES for our internal website, proxy server, SMTP, Webmail. The ease of using roaming profile using MS AD is the only thing holding me back. Have you been successful implemeting roaming profiles using Samba and what are the pit falls? Most of my users use Win2k Pro and XP. Any thoughts suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you! Regards, Joe From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Tue Nov 9 15:31:16 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:31:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] HCL for Whitebox In-Reply-To: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> References: <20041109140137.E054399C00F@mail-server1.ho.internal.adtza.co.za> Message-ID: <3050.12.29.16.103.1100014276.squirrel@whooper.org> Brandon Friedman said: > Hi All > > > Newbie to Whitebox, I have a silly question? Is Whitebox's HCL the same > as RHEL 3.0? > > > I am trying to install on and HP ML110 Server with a Promise FastTrak > S150 > SX4/SX4000 SATA controller. Whitebox doesn't detect the controller, > however RHEL supports it: > http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=details&hid=5713 "NOTE: Requires Update 3." The current "respin 1" CDs of WBEL are the equivalent of RHEL Update 2. You might be able to install on another controller, update your kernel, and then move the install to the Promise controller. -- William Hooper From Mickael Maddison Tue Nov 9 15:45:36 2004 From: Mickael Maddison (Mickael Maddison) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:45:36 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> Message-ID: <1636642367.20041109074536@kamloopsbc.com> Hello Jean, You can try rpm -e --nodeps packagename Not sure if your new ssh will break anything by not being there. -- Best regards, Mickael mailto:mike@kamloopsbc.com Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 12:48:24 AM, you wrote: JL> Hello all, JL> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how to JL> do it. JL> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is JL> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot which JL> is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with added JL> chroot functionnality). JL> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : JL> rpm -e openssh JL> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : JL> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to JL> openssh... JL> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly JL> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is JL> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall openssh-server JL> and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. JL> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package which JL> has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there another way JL> which ensure that nothing will be broken? JL> Thanks for any help, JL> Jean JL> _______________________________________________ JL> Whitebox-users mailing list JL> Whitebox-users@beau.org JL> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users JL> __________ NOD32 1.919 (20041109) Information __________ JL> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. JL> http://www.nod32.com From ronaldawebster@yahoo.com Tue Nov 9 16:30:42 2004 From: ronaldawebster@yahoo.com (Ronald Webster) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:30:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] dpt pm3224w scsi controller drivers Message-ID: <20041109163043.77374.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for LINUX drivers for a DPT PM3224W SCSI controller. I have searched the Red Hat site as well as other LINUX websites for information and have only found out that DPT was bought out and that the new owners have ZERO desire to support this controller. Any advice? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx Tue Nov 9 16:40:08 2004 From: rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx (Rafael Baquero S.) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:40:08 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <41909930.6080008@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <41909622.7030200@wsieurope.com> <41909930.6080008@free.fr> Message-ID: <200411091040.08635.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> On Tuesday 09 November 2004 04:17, Jean Lee wrote: > And using nodeps won't create any problem with netdump after > reinstalling Openssh (or do I have to be careful with some shared > libraries)? > Yes. You might run into trouble depending on where the various files are installed by the rpm package. You basically have two choices here, build a new rpm based on the existing openssh rpm or install from tarball. Either way definitely try this out on a test box and remember to test thoroughly the packages that are marked as dependant on openssh. Also you may want to reboot your system to verify that everything is O.K. The best place to start making your own package or installing from tarball is probably the spec file in the srpm. This has all the info about how the package is built and installed. Remember to list all the files in the original package with rpm -qlp so you know where everything is installed. A good starting place to get the info you need is http://www.rpm.org Personally I prefer to use rpm packages whenever I can but I think one should not be rpm-dependent, i.e. if the package you want is not available as an rpm or is not packaged with the features you want/need then its time to roll up your sleeves and do some traditional hacking, or at least some traditional packaging :-). Regards. Rafael. > Thank you > > Graham Purcocks wrote: > > No nothing wrong. You can't uninstall openssh as the packages it > > mentions depends on it. So you either force uninstall or remove the > > dependant packages as well at the same time. I suspect you want the > > first. Use --nodeps. > > > > Try reading 'man rpm' on the section on ERASEING packages. This may > > give you more insight. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how > >> to do it. > >> > >> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is > >> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot > >> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with > >> added chroot functionnality). > >> > >> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : > >> rpm -e openssh > >> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : > >> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to > >> openssh... > >> > >> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly > >> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is > >> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall > >> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. > >> > >> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package > >> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there > >> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? > >> > >> Thanks for any help, > >> > >> Jean > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Whitebox-users mailing list > >> Whitebox-users@beau.org > >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From jean.lee@free.fr Tue Nov 9 17:41:32 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:41:32 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> Thank to all of you for your great help. This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, I have created an rpm of the patched openssh (openssh-3.9p1-chroot) with the checkinstall binary. I called it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically installed it. I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want to brake some dependencies. When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following return : error: Failed dependencies : openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . It doesn't seem to be very good.. I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard openssh-3.9p1 and see what will come..... Jean Randy Kelsoe wrote: > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how >> to do it. >> >> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >> added chroot functionnality). > > > > As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall > package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot > package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of doing > your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will create and > install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have problems with > the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' command. When you > need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot easier to let rpm do the > upgrade and keep track of the files. > >> >> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >> rpm -e openssh >> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >> openssh... >> >> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump is >> probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >> >> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? > > > > In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method above > first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you can rpm > -e more than one package at a time: > > rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump > > yum is also handy for this: > > yum remove packagename > > >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Jean >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From jean.lee@free.fr Tue Nov 9 18:17:33 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:17:33 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> Message-ID: <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> Well, I really made something wrong. I was on the openssh website and didn't find the tar.gz files for openssh-client, openssh-server, openssh-askpass and openssh-askpass-gnome. :) sorry, I'm a newbie. Bishop, how did you do to produce these files ? Is it something with this srpms file? If the rpm files are produced by the srpms one. How can I apply a patch to the tar.gz file and then create the srpms file from this patched tar.gz file and then finally obtain my rpm files? What do I have installed (Installation explained in my previous mail)? Thank you for your answers because I think that I'm a bit lost. Jean Jean Lee wrote: > Thank to all of you for your great help. > This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, > > I have created an rpm of the patched openssh > (openssh-3.9p1-chroot.tar.gz) with the checkinstall binary. I called > it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically installed it. > I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want to > brake some dependencies. > > When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 > but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following return : > > error: Failed dependencies : > openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) > openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 > openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) > openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 > openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) > openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 > openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) > openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 > > Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : > /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . > It doesn't seem to be very good.. > > I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard openssh-3.9p1 > and see what will come..... > > Jean > > Randy Kelsoe wrote: > >> Jean Lee wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how >>> to do it. >>> >>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >>> added chroot functionnality). >> >> >> >> >> As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall >> package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot >> package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of doing >> your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will create and >> install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have problems with >> the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' command. When >> you need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot easier to let rpm >> do the upgrade and keep track of the files. >> >>> >>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>> rpm -e openssh >>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >>> openssh... >>> >>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >>> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump >>> is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >>> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >>> >>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >>> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >>> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >> >> >> >> >> In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method above >> first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you can rpm >> -e more than one package at a time: >> >> rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump >> >> yum is also handy for this: >> >> yum remove packagename >> >> >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> >>> Jean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Whitebox-users mailing list >>> Whitebox-users@beau.org >>> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From kovalcik@orion-design.com Tue Nov 9 18:25:39 2004 From: kovalcik@orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:25:39 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <20041109174201.32109.48320.Mailman@library.beau.org> References: <20041109174201.32109.48320.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41910BA3.3080707@orion-design.com> >Have you been successful implementing roaming profiles using Samba >and what are the pit falls? Most of my users use Win2k Pro and XP. I am using roaming profiles with Win2K machines, Redhat 9 Samba 2.2.7. I am holding off updating to WB and Samba 3 and LDAP until next summer. I found two problems. First, large home directories take a long time to load. The temporary internet files seem to be the biggest culprit. I do not have a good fix for this one. Second, by default Win2K keeps a copy of the profile on the local computer. This is good if the user uses that computer almost exclusively, as the data is available even if the domain server is down or unreachable. In the computer lab however where many different people log into the computers and students are using several different computers, the disks start to fill up with these copied profiles. I found a registry setting that deletes the stored profile on the local computer and that has been working well. I can send it along if you want. Other problems that I am dealing with include permission issues on some programs and users knowing the difference between saving files on the local drive as opposed to the domain server. I am hoping Samba 3 will help with the permission problems. I would also recommend a 1GB card for the domain server. Otherwise, the roaming profiles are working well. I am able to provide nightly backup since only the server needs to be backed up, and students can use almost any computer in the building. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions (or solutions). -- Thomas Kovalcik Orion Design Technologies 122 Mast Road Lee, NH 03824 From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Tue Nov 9 18:51:31 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:51:31 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> Message-ID: <419111B3.3000909@platypus.bc.ca> Hey Jean, The SRPM (Source RPM) contains the necessary code to build RPMs. It's really just a cpio of the tar.gz, some diffs and a build script (.spec). Building the RPMs is done with rpm -i openssh.src.rpm rpmbuild -ba openssh.spec Here's the current patch for the spec file to integrate the chroot diff: > --- /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec~ 2004-11-09 03:35:49.000000000 -0800 > +++ /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec 2004-11-09 10:15:59.000000000 -0800 > @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ > %if %{rescue} > Release: %{rel}rescue > %else > -Release: %{rel} > +Release: %{rel}%{?_with_chroot:chroot} > %endif > URL: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html > Source0: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-%{version}.tar.gz > @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ > Patch4: openssh-3.9p1-skip-initial.patch > Patch11: http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/patches/openssh-3.6.1p2-gssapi-20030430.diff > Patch12: openssh-selinux.patch > +Patch15: http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-3.6.1.diff > License: BSD > Group: Applications/Internet > BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot > @@ -150,6 +150,7 @@ > %if ! %{build6x} > Requires: /etc/pam.d/system-auth > %endif > +%{?_with_chroot:Provides: ssh-server-chroot} > > %package askpass > Summary: A passphrase dialog for OpenSSH and X. > @@ -226,6 +227,10 @@ > %patch12 -p1 -b .selinux > %endif > > +%if %{?_with_chroot:1}%{?!_with_chroot:0}%{?commentish:These constructs suck} > +%patch15 -p1 -b .chroot > +%endif > + > %build > CFLAGS="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"; export CFLAGS > %if %{rescue} (yes, I hate line 89 too) Okay, I'm in my meeting now, so I can't test/examine the RPMs at all, but if you want to test something, grab these: > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-clients-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-server-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm > Wrote: /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm They may work. I have them here (but get the right ones!) : http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/ http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/ I'll examine the RPM later today, as I mentioned. To examine all the changes I've made to the SRPMS: install one SRPM move the dirname away (`mv RPM{,1}`) install the other SRPM compare them: diff -uNr --exclude-from=openssh3.*gz RPM{1,} I can send these diffs to you if you are interested. - bish Jean Lee wrote: > Well, I really made something wrong. > > I was on the openssh website and didn't find the tar.gz files for > openssh-client, openssh-server, openssh-askpass and > openssh-askpass-gnome. :) sorry, I'm a newbie. > Bishop, how did you do to produce these files ? Is it something with > this srpms file? > If the rpm files are produced by the srpms one. How can I apply a patch > to the tar.gz file and then create the srpms file from this patched > tar.gz file and then finally obtain my rpm files? > > What do I have installed (Installation explained in my previous mail)? > > Thank you for your answers because I think that I'm a bit lost. > > Jean > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Thank to all of you for your great help. >> This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, >> >> I have created an rpm of the patched openssh >> (openssh-3.9p1-chroot.tar.gz) with the checkinstall binary. I called >> it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically installed it. >> I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want to >> brake some dependencies. >> >> When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 >> but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following return : >> >> error: Failed dependencies : >> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >> openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >> openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >> openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >> openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >> >> Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : >> /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . >> It doesn't seem to be very good.. >> >> I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard openssh-3.9p1 >> and see what will come..... >> >> Jean >> >> Randy Kelsoe wrote: >> >>> Jean Lee wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know how >>>> to do it. >>>> >>>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>>> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>>> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >>>> added chroot functionnality). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall >>> package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>> package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of doing >>> your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will create and >>> install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have problems with >>> the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' command. When >>> you need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot easier to let rpm >>> do the upgrade and keep track of the files. >>> >>>> >>>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>>> rpm -e openssh >>>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related to >>>> openssh... >>>> >>>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can firstly >>>> uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with netdump >>>> is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to uninstall >>>> openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to netdump-server. >>>> >>>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >>>> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >>>> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method above >>> first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you can rpm >>> -e more than one package at a time: >>> >>> rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump >>> >>> yum is also handy for this: >>> >>> yum remove packagename >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help, >>>> >>>> Jean -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Rooseveldt, 1918 From javanree@vanree.net Tue Nov 9 18:57:57 2004 From: javanree@vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:57:57 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <41910BA3.3080707@orion-design.com> References: <20041109174201.32109.48320.Mailman@library.beau.org> <41910BA3.3080707@orion-design.com> Message-ID: <200411091957.57384.javanree@vanree.net> On Tuesday 09 November 2004 19:25, Tom Kovalcik wrote: > I am using roaming profiles with Win2K machines, Redhat 9 Samba 2.2.7. I > am holding off updating to WB and Samba 3 and LDAP until next summer. I > found two problems. First, large home directories take a long time to > load. The temporary internet files seem to be the biggest culprit. I do > not have a good fix for this one. Second, by default Win2K keeps a copy > of the profile on the local computer. This is good if the user uses that > computer almost exclusively, as the data is available even if the domain > server is down or unreachable. In the computer lab however where many > different people log into the computers and students are using several > different computers, the disks start to fill up with these copied > profiles. I found a registry setting that deletes the stored profile on > the local computer and that has been working well. I can send it along if > you want. Could you please post the key here? I would love to know how you solved this, and I'm sure it would benefit others too (the list is keyword searcheable ;) ) > Other problems that I am dealing with include permission issues on some > programs and users knowing the difference between saving files on the > local drive as opposed to the domain server. I am hoping Samba 3 will > help with the permission problems. What sort of permission problems? -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From doug@simflex.com Wed Nov 10 00:05:04 2004 From: doug@simflex.com (Doug Eubanks) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:05:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity Message-ID: <49970.198.67.41.149.1100045104.squirrel@198.67.41.149> I have just installed WHEL3 on an AMD64 3400+, and I am having a dickens of a problem getting the network up and going... I have tried the built in Realtek 8169, a Realtek 8139 and two 3Com cards.... I can't get the built in NIC to detect, no biggie....all of the PCI network cards I tried have the same effect....the card is dectected without errors, the link light comes on....but I can't ping anything except the local IP of the NIC. I have tried different cables and two different ports on the switch. I am a Network Engineer so I have tried all of the basic troubleshooting. Can someone point me in the right direction, I can't help but feel it has something to do with either the WBEL3 AMD64 build or a related caveat... Thanks, Doug Eubanks admin@dougware.net *** DISCLAIMER *** This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain information, which is confidential and/or protected by intellectual property rights and are intended for the sole use of the recipient(s) named above. 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If you want to rebuild them yourself, you're welcome to do so: rpmbuild --rebuild --with chroot \ http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bishop/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras\ /openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm Otherwise, grab the binaries if you want: wget --dir /tmp \ http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bishop/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh\ {,-{askpass{,-gnome},clients,server}}-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm rpm -Fvh /tmp/openssh*3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm Please keep a copy of the SRPM for study and/or further work. Note that, if one doesn't say '--with chroot' on the command line, the SRPM will build into standard, openssh RPMs without the chroot code. - bish -- From seth@integratedsolutions.org Wed Nov 10 01:03:59 2004 From: seth@integratedsolutions.org (Seth Bardash) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:03:59 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity In-Reply-To: <49970.198.67.41.149.1100045104.squirrel@198.67.41.149> Message-ID: <200411100104.iAA144M31225@integratedsolutions.org> -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Doug Eubanks Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:05 PM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity I have just installed WHEL3 on an AMD64 3400+, and I am having a dickens of a problem getting the network up and going... I have tried the built in Realtek 8169, a Realtek 8139 and two 3Com cards.... I can't get the built in NIC to detect, no biggie....all of the PCI network cards I tried have the same effect....the card is dectected without errors, the link light comes on....but I can't ping anything except the local IP of the NIC. I have tried different cables and two different ports on the switch. I am a Network Engineer so I have tried all of the basic troubleshooting. Can someone point me in the right direction, I can't help but feel it has something to do with either the WBEL3 AMD64 build or a related caveat... Thanks, Doug Eubanks admin@dougware.net What Motherboard are you using and what is the chipset listed in its manual? Seth Bardash Integrated Solutions and Systems http://www.integratedsolutions.org Supplier of AMD, Intel and SPARC Servers and Systems running Windows, Linux, Solaris and VxWorks. *Failure can not cope with perseverance* --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 11/9/2004 From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Wed Nov 10 01:23:16 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:23:16 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Business woftware for Linux Message-ID: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> I am hoping to find a inventory management program suitable for something like a bookstore or other 1-5 person smb. The software would need to be able to accept inputs from wireless handheld scanning devices for entry into the system. It must also work with their windows based PoS computer. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. William -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From tanel@kivilinn.tartu.ee Wed Nov 10 07:43:08 2004 From: tanel@kivilinn.tartu.ee (Tanel Kindsigo) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:43:08 +0200 (EET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <200411091957.57384.javanree@vanree.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote: > On Tuesday 09 November 2004 19:25, Tom Kovalcik wrote: > > > found two problems. First, large home directories take a long time to > > load. The temporary internet files seem to be the biggest culprit. I do Many programs, including IE allow defining temporary cache folder. by default, it's inside profile indeed, but you can set it to c:\temp\ I suggest to find policy editor and policy templates from internet and use the power of that tool. you can define whole registry for every PC in your network by that way, including deleting of locally stored profiles after logout, mounting server disk shares, restricting several options in windows to prevent users' damage or evil customizing windows. of cource, you have to learn from manuals, what is system policy editing and how it works. samba.org provides quite a good tutorials for that. roaming profiles work with both Redhat and Whitebox just as good as with M$ servers. From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 10 10:46:41 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:46:41 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <33609.66.105.133.51.1100014218.squirrel@66.105.133.51> References: <33609.66.105.133.51.1100014218.squirrel@66.105.133.51> Message-ID: <1100083601.11954.9.camel@Myth.home.local> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:30 -0500, Joe Aldeguer wrote: > I'm mulling over the idea of replacing my Microsoft Windows > 2000 server Active Directory with Samba. I'm tired of dealing > with expensive server, client licenses. I am already using White > Box 3.0 ES for our internal website, proxy server, SMTP, Webmail. > The ease of using roaming profile using MS AD is the only thing > holding me back. > > Have you been successful implemeting roaming profiles using Samba > and what are the pit falls? Most of my users use Win2k Pro and XP. > > Any thoughts suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you! > > Regards, > > Joe My understanding with the current version of samba is that it can not be a Windows 2000 ADS domain controller ... only as an NT 4 type PDC / BDC. Anyone know of a way to make a samba machine be a Windows 2000 ADS domain controller? Using NT4 roaming profiles is not hard ... and my WhiteBox samba PDC guide does do it: http://www.hughesjr.com/content/view/24/2/Site_News So if a NT4 type domain is OK, then using samba will work. If someone knows how to use samba as a Win2000 ADS domain controller, please post links :) -- Johnny Hughes From andrewvong@finpress.com Wed Nov 10 11:50:58 2004 From: andrewvong@finpress.com (Andrew Vong) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:50:58 +0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <1100083601.11954.9.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <33609.66.105.133.51.1100014218.squirrel@66.105.133.51> <33609.66.105.133.51.1100014218.squirrel@66.105.133.51> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041110193602.00a10d50@mail.finpress.com> --=====================_159466233==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Johnny, Thanks for the link. It's very useful and comprehensive. I'm sure it'll help a lot of newbies like myself with to get started with it. Regarding your question on how to use Samba 3 as a Win2000 ADS domain controller, I'm afraid it's not yet possible. I've bought a number of books on Samba and here's a quote from one of them. "Samba's support for more recent domain-like tools, such as Active Directory (AD), is quite limited. Samba can be a member of an AD domain, but it can't function as an AD domain controller. Samba's tools for handling the older NT-style domains are much more complete." Got it on pg. 261 of "The Definitive Guide to Samba 3" by Roderick W. Smith Here's the link --> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590592778/qid=1100087044/sr=8 -1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-6458473-5570316?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Another quote from pg. 49 of "The Official Samba-3 HowTo and Reference Guide" by John H. Terpstra and Jelmer R. Vernooij. Amazon Link --> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131453556/ref=pd_sim_b_2/104- 6458473-5570316?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance "Samba-3 is not, and cannot act as, an Active Directory Server. It cannot truly function as an Active Directory Primary Domain Controller. The protocols for some of the functionality of Active Directory Domain Controllers has been partially implemented on an experimental only basis. Please do not expect Samba-3 to support these protocols. Do not depend on any such functionality either now or in the future. The Samba Team may remove these experimental features or may change their behavior. This is mentioned for the benefit of those who have discovered secret capabilities in Samba-3 and who have asked when this functionality will be completed. The answer is maybe or maybe never! To be sure, Samba-3 is designed to provide most of the functionality that Microsoft Windows NT4-style Domain Controllers have. Samba-3 does not have all the capabilities of Windows NT4, but it does have a number of features that Windows NT4 domain controllers do not have. In short, Samba-3 is not NT4 and it is not Windows Server 200x, it is not an Active Directory server. We hope this is plain and simple enough for all to understand." The link to the text above is here --> http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html#id 2518262 Regards, Andrew At 04:46 AM 10/11/2004 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: >On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:30 -0500, Joe Aldeguer wrote: > > I'm mulling over the idea of replacing my Microsoft Windows > > 2000 server Active Directory with Samba. I'm tired of dealing > > with expensive server, client licenses. I am already using White > > Box 3.0 ES for our internal website, proxy server, SMTP, Webmail. > > The ease of using roaming profile using MS AD is the only thing > > holding me back. > > > > Have you been successful implemeting roaming profiles using Samba > > and what are the pit falls? Most of my users use Win2k Pro and XP. > > > > Any thoughts suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you! > > > > Regards, > > > > Joe > >My understanding with the current version of samba is that it can not be >a Windows 2000 ADS domain controller ... only as an NT 4 type PDC / BDC. >Anyone know of a way to make a samba machine be a Windows 2000 ADS >domain controller? > >Using NT4 roaming profiles is not hard ... and my WhiteBox samba PDC >guide does do it: > > http://www.hughesjr.com/content/view/24/2/Site_News > >So if a NT4 type domain is OK, then using samba will work. > >If someone knows how to use samba as a Win2000 ADS domain controller, >please post links :) > >-- >Johnny Hughes > > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=====================_159466233==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Johnny,

Thanks for the link. It's very useful and comprehensive. I'm sure it'll help a lot of newbies like myself with to get started with it.

Regarding your question on how to use Samba 3 as a Win2000 ADS domain controller, I'm afraid it's not yet possible. I've bought a number of books on Samba and here's a quote from one of them.
"Samba's support for more recent domain-like tools, such as Active Directory (AD), is quite limited. Samba can be a member of an AD domain, but it can't function as an AD domain controller. Samba's tools for handling the older NT-style domains are much more complete."

Got it on pg. 261 of "The Definitive Guide to Samba 3" by Roderick W. Smith

Here's the link -->
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590592778/qid=1100087044/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-6458473-5570316?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Another quote from pg. 49 of "The Official Samba-3 HowTo and Reference Guide" by John H. Terpstra and Jelmer R. Vernooij.

Amazon Link -->
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131453556/ref=pd_sim_b_2/104-6458473-5570316?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

"Samba-3 is not, and cannot act as, an Active Directory Server. It cannot truly function as an Active Directory Primary Domain Controller. The protocols for some of the functionality of Active Directory Domain Controllers has been partially implemented on an experimental only basis. Please do not expect Samba-3 to support these protocols. Do not depend on any such functionality either now or in the future. The Samba Team may remove these experimental features or may change their behavior. This is mentioned for the benefit of those who have discovered secret capabilities in Samba-3 and who have asked when this functionality will be completed. The answer is maybe or maybe never!

To be sure, Samba-3 is designed to provide most of the functionality that Microsoft Windows NT4-style Domain Controllers have. Samba-3 does not have all the capabilities of Windows NT4, but it does have a number of features that Windows NT4 domain controllers do not have. In short, Samba-3 is not NT4 and it is not Windows Server 200x, it is not an Active Directory server. We hope this is plain and simple enough for all to understand."



The link to the text above is here --> http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html#id2518262


Regards,
Andrew


At 04:46 AM 10/11/2004 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:30 -0500, Joe Aldeguer wrote:
> I'm mulling over the idea of replacing my Microsoft Windows
> 2000 server Active Directory with Samba. I'm tired of dealing
> with expensive server, client licenses.  I am already using White
> Box 3.0 ES for our internal website, proxy server, SMTP, Webmail.
> The ease of using roaming profile using MS AD is the only thing
> holding me back.
>
> Have you been successful implemeting roaming profiles using Samba
> and what are the pit falls? Most of my users use Win2k Pro and XP.
>
> Any thoughts suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you!
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe

My understanding with the current version of samba is that it can not be
a Windows 2000 ADS domain controller ... only as an NT 4 type PDC / BDC.
Anyone know of a way to make a samba machine be a Windows 2000 ADS
domain controller?

Using NT4 roaming profiles is not hard ... and my WhiteBox samba PDC
guide does do it:

 http://www.hughesjr.com/content/view/24/2/Site_News

So if a NT4 type domain is OK, then using samba will work.

If someone knows how to use samba as a Win2000 ADS domain controller,
please post links :)

--
Johnny Hughes
<http://www.HughesJR.com/>

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--=====================_159466233==_.ALT-- From reblair@operamail.com Wed Nov 10 12:00:30 2004 From: reblair@operamail.com (Robert E. Blair ) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:00:30 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity Message-ID: <20041110120030.B6777398198@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> I can speak with authority that a realtek 8169 does work in at least one amd64 system with a 2.6 kernel. I too had problems with the release kernels mainly (I'm speculating) because you need to disable acpi for them to work at all. I might add that the 8169 gets 100Mbps performance unless you use the newer realtek drivers (v2.2) from their website. seth wrote: I have just installed WHEL3 on an AMD64 3400+, and I am having a dickens of a problem getting the network up and going... I have tried the built in Realtek 8169, a Realtek 8139 and two 3Com cards.... I can't get the built in NIC to detect, no biggie....all of the PCI network cards I tried have the same effect....the card is dectected without errors, the link light comes on....but I can't ping anything except the local IP of the NIC. I have tried different cables and two different ports on the switch. I am a Network Engineer so I have tried all of the basic troubleshooting. Can someone point me in the right direction, I can't help but feel it has something to do with either the WBEL3 AMD64 build or a related caveat... Thanks, Doug Eubanks admin@dougware.net What Motherboard are you using and what is the chipset listed in its manual? Seth Bardash Integrated Solutions and Systems http://www.integratedsolutions.org Supplier of AMD, Intel and SPARC Servers and Systems running Windows, Linux, Solaris and VxWorks. *Failure can not cope with perseverance* -- _____________________________________________________________ Web-based SMS services available at http://www.operamail.com. >From your mailbox to local or overseas cell phones. Powered by Outblaze From jean.lee@free.fr Wed Nov 10 14:44:44 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:44:44 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <419111B3.3000909@platypus.bc.ca> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> <419111B3.3000909@platypus.bc.ca> Message-ID: <4192295C.7080506@free.fr> Hi bishop, OK I tried your rpms. The installation is OK and I succeed to create a jail which works for ssh. I follow the manual which is available here : http://www.netadmintools.com/art294.html The problem is that it doesn't work with sftp-server. During the creation of the chroot environnement, I made a copy of /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server to "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server then : cd "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/ ldd sftp-server The output gives some libraries which I copied into the correct folders. When I tried : sftp jean@ServeurLinux I am asked for a password and then I have an error saying me that a library related to kerberos is not found. I verified and this library is at the place which is telled by ldd (+the "path-to-chroot")...... It is related to this kerberos library because I tried to supress libz.so.1 (which is also needed by sftp-server) and the error message was then that it didn't find libz.so.1. I suppose so than when this library is well placed, sftp-server can find it. Do you have any idea why sftp-server doesn't find this kerberos library ? Thank you for your support. Jean bishop wrote: > > Hey Jean, > > The SRPM (Source RPM) contains the necessary code to build RPMs. It's > really just a cpio of the tar.gz, some diffs and a build script (.spec). > > Building the RPMs is done with > rpm -i openssh.src.rpm > rpmbuild -ba openssh.spec > > Here's the current patch for the spec file to integrate the chroot diff: > >> --- /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec~ 2004-11-09 >> 03:35:49.000000000 -0800 >> +++ /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec 2004-11-09 10:15:59.000000000 >> -0800 >> @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ >> %if %{rescue} >> Release: %{rel}rescue >> %else >> -Release: %{rel} >> +Release: %{rel}%{?_with_chroot:chroot} >> %endif >> URL: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html >> Source0: >> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-%{version}.tar.gz >> >> @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ >> Patch4: openssh-3.9p1-skip-initial.patch >> Patch11: >> http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/patches/openssh-3.6.1p2-gssapi-20030430.diff >> >> Patch12: openssh-selinux.patch >> +Patch15: >> http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-3.6.1.diff >> License: BSD >> Group: Applications/Internet >> BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot >> @@ -150,6 +150,7 @@ >> %if ! %{build6x} >> Requires: /etc/pam.d/system-auth >> %endif >> +%{?_with_chroot:Provides: ssh-server-chroot} >> >> %package askpass >> Summary: A passphrase dialog for OpenSSH and X. >> @@ -226,6 +227,10 @@ >> %patch12 -p1 -b .selinux >> %endif >> >> +%if %{?_with_chroot:1}%{?!_with_chroot:0}%{?commentish:These >> constructs suck} >> +%patch15 -p1 -b .chroot >> +%endif >> + >> %build >> CFLAGS="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"; export CFLAGS >> %if %{rescue} > > > (yes, I hate line 89 too) > > Okay, I'm in my meeting now, so I can't test/examine the RPMs at all, > but if you want to test something, grab these: > >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm >> >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >> >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-clients-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >> >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-server-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >> >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >> >> Wrote: >> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >> > > > They may work. I have them here (but get the right ones!) : > > http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/ > http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/ > > I'll examine the RPM later today, as I mentioned. > > To examine all the changes I've made to the SRPMS: > install one SRPM > move the dirname away (`mv RPM{,1}`) > install the other SRPM > compare them: > diff -uNr --exclude-from=openssh3.*gz RPM{1,} > > I can send these diffs to you if you are interested. > > - bish > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Well, I really made something wrong. >> >> I was on the openssh website and didn't find the tar.gz files for >> openssh-client, openssh-server, openssh-askpass and >> openssh-askpass-gnome. :) sorry, I'm a newbie. >> Bishop, how did you do to produce these files ? Is it something with >> this srpms file? >> If the rpm files are produced by the srpms one. How can I apply a >> patch to the tar.gz file and then create the srpms file from this >> patched tar.gz file and then finally obtain my rpm files? >> >> What do I have installed (Installation explained in my previous mail)? >> >> Thank you for your answers because I think that I'm a bit lost. >> >> Jean >> >> Jean Lee wrote: >> >>> Thank to all of you for your great help. >>> This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, >>> >>> I have created an rpm of the patched openssh >>> (openssh-3.9p1-chroot.tar.gz) with the checkinstall binary. I called >>> it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically installed >>> it. >>> I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want to >>> brake some dependencies. >>> >>> When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 >>> but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following >>> return : >>> >>> error: Failed dependencies : >>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>> openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>> openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>> openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>> openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>> >>> Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : >>> /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . >>> It doesn't seem to be very good.. >>> >>> I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard openssh-3.9p1 >>> and see what will come..... >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> Randy Kelsoe wrote: >>> >>>> Jean Lee wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know >>>>> how to do it. >>>>> >>>>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>>>> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>>>> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >>>>> added chroot functionnality). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall >>>> package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>>> package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of >>>> doing your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will >>>> create and install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have >>>> problems with the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' >>>> command. When you need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot >>>> easier to let rpm do the upgrade and keep track of the files. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>>>> rpm -e openssh >>>>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>>>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related >>>>> to openssh... >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can >>>>> firstly uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with >>>>> netdump is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to >>>>> uninstall openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to >>>>> netdump-server. >>>>> >>>>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >>>>> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >>>>> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method >>>> above first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you >>>> can rpm -e more than one package at a time: >>>> >>>> rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump >>>> >>>> yum is also handy for this: >>>> >>>> yum remove packagename >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any help, >>>>> >>>>> Jean >>>> > > From jim@well.com Wed Nov 10 15:50:25 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:50:25 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] thanks for vsftpd responses Message-ID: <3D08A6F4-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Thanks for vsftpd responses: I've discovered scp, which uses sshd, requires login, but it's encrypted, not plaintext. As i don't need anonymous ftp, scp is a suitable alternative that does the job. From jim@well.com Wed Nov 10 15:50:59 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:50:59 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] dvd burner drivers Message-ID: <510929FC-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> --Apple-Mail-34--611908364 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm thinking of getting either Sony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW=A0=A0=A01=A099=A0=A0 Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW=A0=A01=A0109=A0=A0 NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER=A0=A01=A0109=A0=A0 but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that works them. Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers? Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner, anyone know the right driver for that? The purpose is not videos but data backup. I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD jim --Apple-Mail-34--611908364 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm thinking of getting either=20 = Arial0000,0000,FFFDSony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW=A0=A0=A01=A099=A0=A0 Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW=A0=A01=A0109=A0=A0 NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER=A0=A01=A0109=A0=A0 but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that=20 works them.=20 Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers?=20 Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner,=20 anyone know the right driver for that?=20 The purpose is not videos but data backup.=20 I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD=20 jim=20 --Apple-Mail-34--611908364-- From k.c.quick@open.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 16:00:47 2004 From: k.c.quick@open.ac.uk (kevin quick) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:00:47 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Serial ATA Message-ID: <200411101600.47470.k.c.quick@open.ac.uk> Hi all. I'm new to this list and before I go and reinvent the wheel I thought I'd ask here first. I'm installing WB on a couple of P4's with Adaptec 1205 SATA cards. Problem. Drive response is very very slow. I'm guessing that has to do with the libata library thats in the current kernel tree. Has anybody had the same problem and found a fix for it or am I gonna have to replace the kernel with a newer one. Kevin. From csieh@fnal.gov Wed Nov 10 16:08:24 2004 From: csieh@fnal.gov (Connie Sieh) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:08:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] dvd burner drivers In-Reply-To: <510929FC-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, jim stockford wrote: > > > I'm thinking of getting either > Sony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW   1 99   This is really a Lite-on in Sony clothing. > Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW  1 109   > NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER  1 109   I would suggest the Pioneer 108. > but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that > works them. > Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers? The lowlevel drivers for all the above drive are the same and included with Whitebox now. > > Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner, > anyone know the right driver for that? > Stand-along , I assume you mean stand-alone. The dvd burner itself should be no problem. The question here is what connection method you have. USB2 or firewire or ? > The purpose is not videos but data backup. > I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD > > jim > -Connie Sieh Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory From grahamp@wsieurope.com Wed Nov 10 16:23:52 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:23:52 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] thanks for vsftpd responses In-Reply-To: <3D08A6F4-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> References: <3D08A6F4-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: <41924098.7000803@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050802020103050409060303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is sftp as well just to confuse things. jim stockford wrote: > > Thanks for vsftpd responses: I've discovered > scp, which uses sshd, requires login, but it's > encrypted, not plaintext. As i don't need > anonymous ftp, scp is a suitable alternative > that does the job. > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --------------050802020103050409060303 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------050802020103050409060303-- From jim@well.com Wed Nov 10 16:33:38 2004 From: jim@well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:33:38 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] dvd burner drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <464B48DE-3336-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> terrific answer! usb connect, got advice? On Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004, at 08:08 US/Pacific, Connie Sieh wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, jim stockford wrote: > >> >> >> I'm thinking of getting either >> Sony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW   1 99   > > This is really a Lite-on in Sony clothing. > >> Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW  1 109   >> NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER  1 109   > > I would suggest the Pioneer 108. > >> but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that >> works them. >> Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers? > > The lowlevel drivers for all the above drive are the same and included > with Whitebox now. > >> >> Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner, >> anyone know the right driver for that? >> > > Stand-along , I assume you mean stand-alone. The dvd burner itself > should > be no problem. The question here is what connection method you have. > USB2 or firewire or ? > >> The purpose is not videos but data backup. >> I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD >> >> jim >> > -Connie Sieh > Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > > > From jon@foneport.com Wed Nov 10 16:33:51 2004 From: jon@foneport.com (Jon Hill) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:33:51 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] yum updates Message-ID: <200411101633.51895.jon@foneport.com> Hi All I am new this list. I have White Box running on a development server, I like the ideas behind this distribution and hope to become an active contributor if I can over time. I had WB running on an oldish machine with a 2Gig hard drive. I didn't have a great deal of space left I ran out of hard drive space whilst running a yum update. I know have a damaged installation and don't know how I would go about trying to recover packages. I can't even run yum anymore because it has removed itself during the failed update. It was obvioulsy a little silly of me to run an auto update on a machine like this one, but is this a flaw in the whole yum concept? I had a similar problem running up2date on a RHE3 server recently. The update process failed and I ended up with RPMs that I had to reinstall manually and then repair the package database etc. Jon From csieh@fnal.gov Wed Nov 10 16:39:49 2004 From: csieh@fnal.gov (Connie Sieh) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:39:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] dvd burner drivers In-Reply-To: <464B48DE-3336-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> Message-ID: Jim, On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, jim stockford wrote: > > terrific answer! > usb connect, got advice? It should be at least USB2. Some of the USB2 chipsets that are used in the chasis are better than others. I have had success with the ALi. It is used in the BYTECC 5.25 inch chasis. I would stay away from the Prolific chipset. If you already have this device a lsusb will show the chipset. -Connie Sieh > > On Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004, at 08:08 US/Pacific, Connie Sieh wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, jim stockford wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I'm thinking of getting either > >> Sony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW   1 99   > > > > This is really a Lite-on in Sony clothing. > > > >> Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW  1 109   > >> NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER  1 109   > > > > I would suggest the Pioneer 108. > > > >> but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that > >> works them. > >> Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers? > > > > The lowlevel drivers for all the above drive are the same and included > > with Whitebox now. > > > >> > >> Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner, > >> anyone know the right driver for that? > >> > > > > Stand-along , I assume you mean stand-alone. The dvd burner itself > > should > > be no problem. The question here is what connection method you have. > > USB2 or firewire or ? > > > >> The purpose is not videos but data backup. > >> I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD > >> > >> jim > >> > > -Connie Sieh > > Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > > > > > > > > From textux@bellsouth.net Wed Nov 10 17:42:30 2004 From: textux@bellsouth.net (Bill Whiting) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:42:30 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] dvd burner drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41925306.2010105@bellsouth.net> I think this is somewhat off topic, but since we're talking about DVD burners. I haven't been able to get my DVD burner to create a file system that I can read on other systems. I create the image w/ growisofs. I can read the DVD on the system that created the DVD, but when I try to read it on my laptop with either WBEL, or the other OS, it's not recognized. Does anyone know how I can get specifics on the DVD, i.e. I want to verify that it's an ISO file system. //Bill Connie Sieh wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, jim stockford wrote: > > >> >>I'm thinking of getting either >>Sony DW-D18A 8X DVDRW 1 99 > > > This is really a Lite-on in Sony clothing. > > >>Lite-On SHOW-1633S 16X DVDRW 1 109 >>NEC 16X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER 1 109 > > > I would suggest the Pioneer 108. > > >>but I'm worried that I won't have a driver that >>works them. >>Anybody know of Linux DVD drivers? > > > The lowlevel drivers for all the above drive are the same and included > with Whitebox now. > > >>Also, I've got a stand-along LiteOn DVD burner, >>anyone know the right driver for that? >> > > > Stand-along , I assume you mean stand-alone. The dvd burner itself should > be no problem. The question here is what connection method you have. > USB2 or firewire or ? > > > The purpose is not videos but data backup. > >>I'm just looking for a bigger, better CD >> >>jim >> > > -Connie Sieh > Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From mikes@hartwellcorp.com Wed Nov 10 18:20:35 2004 From: mikes@hartwellcorp.com (Michael St. Laurent) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:20:35 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Trouble getting Intel Pro 100M NIC working Message-ID: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576EE@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> Hello, I'm trying to install WBEL 3.0 respin 1 onto a system with a builtin Intel Pro 100M NIC but the card is being ignored. Is there some way to get this working? -- Michael St. Laurent Hartwell Corporation From randykel@swbell.net Wed Nov 10 18:47:34 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:47:34 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Trouble getting Intel Pro 100M NIC working In-Reply-To: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576EE@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> References: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576EE@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> Message-ID: <41926246.4060307@swbell.net> Michael St. Laurent wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to install WBEL 3.0 respin 1 onto a system with a builtin Intel >Pro 100M NIC but the card is being ignored. Is there some way to get this >working? > > > What do you see if you do a 'lspci |grep -i ether'? From seth@integratedsolutions.org Wed Nov 10 20:22:40 2004 From: seth@integratedsolutions.org (Seth Bardash) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:22:40 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity In-Reply-To: <20041110120030.B6777398198@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200411102022.iAAKMkb21489@integratedsolutions.org> -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Robert E. Blair Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:01 AM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Cc: seth@integratedsolutions.org Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] Install on AMD64, no network connectivity I can speak with authority that a realtek 8169 does work in at least one amd64 system with a 2.6 kernel. I too had problems with the release kernels mainly (I'm speculating) because you need to disable acpi for them to work at all. I might add that the 8169 gets 100Mbps performance unless you use the newer realtek drivers (v2.2) from their website. seth wrote: I have just installed WHEL3 on an AMD64 3400+, and I am having a dickens of a problem getting the network up and going... SNIP... Doug Eubanks -----Original Message----- Update: Clarified and SNIP'ed: Doug Wrote back that the MB was a MSI K8N Neo, nforce3 250Gb. I responded that he should check www.nvidia.com for the drivers. He responded: I have built the driver and installed it without a problem.....but it is still does not work....the interface is up, but I can't do anything with it except ping it's local address... It is using IRQ 22 and I have read some other posts that mention IRQ problems above 22, and to disable the ACPI on the mainboard, but this BIOS does not have that feature.... Doug Next suggestions: Check the hub you are using. The port is going to try to come up running Gigabit speeds. You may need to play with the options for the driver. Are you using a GigE hub? Or 100BT ? To turn off acpi modify the /boot/grub/grub.conf entry for the kernel and add: acpi=off What does the boot message say for the LAN ?? Seth --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.792 / Virus Database: 536 - Release Date: 11/9/2004 From lists@benjamindsmith.com Wed Nov 10 21:13:06 2004 From: lists@benjamindsmith.com (Benjamin Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:13:06 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Conclusions for WB Linux Message-ID: <200411101313.06100.lists@benjamindsmith.com> I've been researching WB Linux for most of today. I discovered this just yesterday, and have been searching for an answer to the dillema posed by Red Hat: A) Pay too much or B) upgrade everything every year I'm now running WB Linux in a VMWare session, testing it, and reading thru the mailing list. Here's what I've concluded, let me know if I'm wrong: 1) This is the answer I've been looking for! It's just like RH 9, only with security updates! Hoo ya! I love you all! Thank you Beauregard Parish Public Library! 2) There's a real problem with mirrors being dull reflections. On my first 3 attempts to update with yum on a freshly installed respin1 install, I got "nothing to do". So, to use this effectively, I'll be doing an rsync of the central repo and then running my own yum repository for my 15-ish servers. (They always seem to be somewhat in flux!) Is there a better way to go? 3) There seems to be a fairly active community around WB Linux. I wonder when/if it actually forks? (a la Mandrake) Will it eventually get folded back into RedHat like Fedora? -Ben -- "I kept looking around for somebody to solve the problem. Then I realized I am somebody" -Anonymous From asparks@quris.com Wed Nov 10 21:40:36 2004 From: asparks@quris.com (Alan Sparks) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:40:36 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Conclusions for WB Linux In-Reply-To: <200411101313.06100.lists@benjamindsmith.com> References: <200411101313.06100.lists@benjamindsmith.com> Message-ID: <1100122835.10361.44.camel@asparks> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 14:13, Benjamin Smith wrote: > 1) This is the answer I've been looking for! It's just like RH 9, only with > security updates! Hoo ya! I love you all! Thank you Beauregard Parish Public > Library! Just for the record, RH9 is updated by the Fedora Legacy project (http://www.fedoralegacy.org/). > 2) There's a real problem with mirrors being dull reflections. On my first 3 > attempts to update with yum on a freshly installed respin1 install, I got > "nothing to do". So, to use this effectively, I'll be doing an rsync of the > central repo and then running my own yum repository for my 15-ish servers. > (They always seem to be somewhat in flux!) Is there a better way to go? Mirrors are overworked. If you have a few or more than a few machines, you want to set up a local repository. > 3) There seems to be a fairly active community around WB Linux. I wonder > when/if it actually forks? (a la Mandrake) Will it eventually get folded > back into RedHat like Fedora? WB is produced from RedHat EL sources, but it is /not/ a RedHat product or effort. It's independent of RedHat, and I can't see anything "merging back." From syv@911networks.com Wed Nov 10 21:41:02 2004 From: syv@911networks.com (Syv Ritch) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:41:02 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Conclusions for WB Linux In-Reply-To: <200411101313.06100.lists@benjamindsmith.com> Message-ID: <2004111013412.253608@pond> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:13:06 -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: > I've been researching WB Linux for most of today. I discovered > this just yesterday, and have been searching for an answer to > the dillema posed by Red Hat: A) Pay too much or B) upgrade > everything every year > > I'm now running WB Linux in a VMWare session, testing it, and > reading thru the mailing list. > > Here's what I've concluded, let me know if I'm wrong: > > 1) This is the answer I've been looking for! It's just like RH > 9, only with security updates! Hoo ya! I love you all! Thank > you Beauregard Parish Public Library! > > 2) There's a real problem with mirrors being dull reflections. > On my first 3 attempts to update with yum on a freshly > installed respin1 install, I got "nothing to do". So, to use > this effectively, I'll be doing an rsync of the central repo > and then running my own yum repository for my 15-ish servers. > (They always seem to be somewhat in flux!) Is there a better > way to go? > > 3) There seems to be a fairly active community around WB > Linux. I wonder when/if it actually forks? (a la Mandrake) > Will it eventually get folded back into RedHat like Fedora? > > -Ben Alternative 2 Free: Centos: Caosity.org or Tao Linux Alternative 3 Paying: Lineox, commercial support, significantly cheaper the RH. -- Thanks syv@911networks.com When the network has to work From mikes@hartwellcorp.com Wed Nov 10 21:47:34 2004 From: mikes@hartwellcorp.com (Michael St. Laurent) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:34 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Trouble getting Intel Pro 100M NIC working Message-ID: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576F3@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> > What do you see if you do a 'lspci |grep -i ether'? 03:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: unknown device 1064 (rev03) From nozy@mozysswamp.org Wed Nov 10 21:56:24 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:56:24 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Head Less In-Reply-To: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1100123784.4319.13.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-M3AC3baUuHsNYS3G0MRW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All just like to know if some does know can wb3 do a headless install ? See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-M3AC3baUuHsNYS3G0MRW Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi All
     just like to know if some does know can wb3 do a headless install ?

See BUG.  "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" 
A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it.


Michael Falzon (RHCT) 
Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs
http://mozysswamp.org
Registered LFS User   #406
Registered Linux User #204397
--=-M3AC3baUuHsNYS3G0MRW-- From randykel@swbell.net Wed Nov 10 22:39:07 2004 From: randykel@swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:39:07 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Trouble getting Intel Pro 100M NIC working In-Reply-To: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576F3@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> References: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C576F3@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> Message-ID: <4192988B.7090200@swbell.net> Michael St. Laurent wrote: >>What do you see if you do a 'lspci |grep -i ether'? >> >> > >03:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: unknown device 1064 (rev03) >_______________________________________________ > > Interesting. My Whitebox machines do not have an Intel Controller, but my Fedora Core 2 machine does, and here is the excerpt from an 'lspci -v': 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 10) Subsystem: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 0070 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10 Memory at eb026000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) I/O ports at 9000 [size=64] Memory at eb000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 Have you tried a 'modprobe e100' to see what happens? You might also try running kudzu (service kudzu start) to see if it finds anything. There are some diags with instructions that may help: http://www.scyld.com/ethercard_diag.html#pci-diags You may have a bad card/chipset for your NIC. You said that this is a built in NIC? Is it a PCI card, or is it integrated on your motherboard? If it is integrated on your mobo, then check your BIOS settings, though I don't think that will help. You might also try turning the NIC off in BIOS, rebooting, then re-enabling it in BIOS and reboot again to see if kudzu detects it. One more thing to look at is the /proc/interrupts to see if it is sharing an interrupt with something else. If it is sharing an interrupt with something like a usb controller, rmmod the usb driver, and try a 'modprobe e100'. From kbohling@birddog.com Wed Nov 10 23:05:46 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:05:46 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Head Less In-Reply-To: <1100123784.4319.13.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> References: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1100123784.4319.13.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> Message-ID: <20041110230544.GE8156@hawk.birddog.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:56:24AM +1100, Michael Falzon wrote: > Hi All > just like to know if some does know can wb3 do a headless install ? Yes. I haven't every done it, but I'm only one step away. You can do it one of 4 ways: 1. Setup a VNC GUI via a boot disk (never done this personally). 2. Setup a Serial port install (never done this personally). 3. Create a WBEL 3.0 install CD that points to a kickstart file by default. 4. Use netbooting to do the install. I've done the kickstart file piece, but I still had to type the kickstart file I wanted it to use on the syslinux boot prompt. However, if you burn a new image you can change the default. This one is brain dead simple. But you need one boot CD for each machine class you install onto (if there are any varitions in the kickstart image). I've done the network boot install via a PXE/DHCP/tftp install. I forget the details, but it wasn't particularly hard. The one tricky part is you have to build syslinux to do the initial boot, but it will suck down a Linux kernel over the wire and boot it with the options you put into the tftp config files. However, this one is very nice, as you can use the MAC addr to key the configuration to. I've set this up in the past because I didn't have CD burner handy, and I didn't have a boot CD with me to do the install from. Either 3 or 4 are relatively straight forward. 4 requires you have another machine on the same LAN, and that the machine supports net booting. Thanks, Kirby > > > See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" > A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. > > > Michael Falzon (RHCT) > Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs > http://mozysswamp.org > Registered LFS User #406 > Registered Linux User #204397 From jamey@beau.org Thu Nov 11 02:55:20 2004 From: jamey@beau.org (Jamey Fletcher) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:55:20 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] W00T! We are l33t Givez us warez! Message-ID: <4192D498.6070806@beau.org> Well, at least, we got a review in NewsForge! http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1719212 I can see the Beauregard Library traffic is going to hurt! From nozy@mozysswamp.org Thu Nov 11 05:04:29 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:04:29 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] W00T! We are l33t Givez us warez! In-Reply-To: <4192D498.6070806@beau.org> References: <4192D498.6070806@beau.org> Message-ID: <1100149469.5666.23.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-7ODo30siimKnTssierBe Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a read of this good to see that its been seen as for the mission-critical i have this run on My Swamp (mozysswamp.org) 3 gateway (vpns qos squid ) 1 http server / update server ( yum-rsync for my server ) so i don't over load the net with all my boxs updating 1 logbox ( my own thing ) 2 DNS server 1 Mial Server 1 File Server and my notebook and i have 1 (www.gremlin.net.au) main site and 6 ( just gateways/mail server Main files server or backup server) sub site using this too wb3 has not let me down 1 or 2 funny bugs but thats it On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:55, Jamey Fletcher wrote: > Well, at least, we got a review in NewsForge! > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1719212 > > I can see the Beauregard Library traffic is going to hurt! > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-7ODo30siimKnTssierBe Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Had a read of this good to see that its been seen

as for the mission-critical i have this run on

My Swamp (mozysswamp.org)

3 gateway (vpns qos squid )
1 http server / update server ( yum-rsync for my server ) so i don't over load the net with all my boxs updating
1 logbox ( my own thing )
2 DNS server
1 Mial Server
1 File Server
and my notebook 

and i have 1 (www.gremlin.net.au) main site and 6 ( just gateways/mail server Main files server or backup server) sub site using this too

wb3 has not let me down 1 or 2 funny bugs but thats it

On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:55, Jamey Fletcher wrote:
Well, at least, we got a review in NewsForge!

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1719212

I can see the Beauregard Library traffic is going to hurt!
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http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users

See BUG.  "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" 
A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it.


Michael Falzon (RHCT) 
Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs
http://mozysswamp.org
Registered LFS User   #406
Registered Linux User #204397
--=-7ODo30siimKnTssierBe-- From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Thu Nov 11 05:20:32 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:20:32 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Conclusions for WB Linux In-Reply-To: <1100122835.10361.44.camel@asparks> References: <200411101313.06100.lists@benjamindsmith.com> <1100122835.10361.44.camel@asparks> Message-ID: <4192F6A0.7090000@platypus.bc.ca> Alan Sparks wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 14:13, Benjamin Smith wrote: >>3) There seems to be a fairly active community around WB Linux. I wonder >>when/if it actually forks? (a la Mandrake) Will it eventually get folded >>back into RedHat like Fedora? > > WB is produced from RedHat EL sources, but it is /not/ a RedHat product > or effort. It's independent of RedHat, and I can't see anything > "merging back." It's joined more than you think. Some bugs cannot be fixed because of the risk of migrating away from the upstream source and the added work thereof. Therefore, one bug I've reported upstream and I'm now only lobbying for some RH guys ot actually see the patch I'm handing them so that it can roll out in RHEL and thus, WBEL. In a sense, they'd be buying something back, but we're only missing the part where the downstream source is modified. Unfortunately, this does lend itself to the kind of stress that causes projects to fork, but I think that Mr Morris will not mind overmuch - controlling the source doesn't seem along his goals - as long as he's not dragged into support issues involving derived work, and I think that any such fork would be completely amicable, with code flying across the callosum in both directions. - .. -- From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Thu Nov 11 05:36:28 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:36:28 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] yum updates In-Reply-To: <200411101633.51895.jon@foneport.com> References: <200411101633.51895.jon@foneport.com> Message-ID: <4192FA5C.6020500@platypus.bc.ca> Jon, Do you think you want to try to repair your current install, or just start over? You should be able to (find and) install the yum RPM with just an rpm-i invocation, and then you should be off and running once again. Um, you DO have rpm installed still, right? If not, and you have nfs, we can mount the root (careful now) over NFS to another machine and use rpm with the --root on that system to reinstall rpm over the one that's there. Then we unmount it, quickly, do the rpm--rebuilddb and yum install. Oh, do an rpm --rebuilddb too, just to ensure you've got something coherent as an RPMdb, just before adding in the yum RPM or, well, whenever you think a known-clean RPMdb may be useful. - bish Jon Hill wrote: > Hi All > > I am new this list. > I have White Box running on a development server, I like the ideas behind this > distribution and hope to become an active contributor if I can over time. > > I had WB running on an oldish machine with a 2Gig hard drive. I didn't have a > great deal of space left I ran out of hard drive space whilst running a yum > update. I know have a damaged installation and don't know how I would go > about trying to recover packages. I can't even run yum anymore because it has > removed itself during the failed update. It was obvioulsy a little silly of > me to run an auto update on a machine like this one, but is this a flaw in > the whole yum concept? I had a similar problem running up2date on a RHE3 > server recently. The update process failed and I ended up with RPMs that I > had to reinstall manually and then repair the package database etc. > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Rooseveldt, 1918 From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Thu Nov 11 05:37:28 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:28 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] thanks for vsftpd responses In-Reply-To: <41924098.7000803@wsieurope.com> References: <3D08A6F4-3330-11D9-B0CA-000A95EA5592@well.com> <41924098.7000803@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <4192FA98.1070700@platypus.bc.ca> Yes. The trick is to keep ftps and sftp separate as you talk or write about them. Graham Purcocks wrote: > There is sftp as well just to confuse things. > > jim stockford wrote: > >> >> Thanks for vsftpd responses: I've discovered >> scp, which uses sshd, requires login, but it's >> encrypted, not plaintext. As i don't need >> anonymous ftp, scp is a suitable alternative >> that does the job. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Thu Nov 11 09:45:35 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:45:35 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] W00T! We are l33t Givez us warez! In-Reply-To: <4192D498.6070806@beau.org> References: <4192D498.6070806@beau.org> Message-ID: <1100166335.13103.14.camel@Myth.home.local> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:55 -0600, Jamey Fletcher wrote: > Well, at least, we got a review in NewsForge! > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1719212 > > I can see the Beauregard Library traffic is going to hurt! That is a pretty good review :) The mailing list for WBEL is very helpful ... but for those who want other options for support, there are companies out there that do support RHEL type clones. One company that does this is: http://www.xos.nl (I don't know about the company personally, but I had a user on my site who uses their Linux distro {http://www.xoslinux.org/}) ----------------------------------- There are also some companies providing some support for CentOS: http://www.centos.org/support/commercial ----------------------------------- Just another option for those looking for support, but not wanting to pay $2500.00 per machine per year :) -- Johnny Hughes From jon@foneport.com Thu Nov 11 10:08:20 2004 From: jon@foneport.com (Jon Hill) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:08:20 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] yum updates In-Reply-To: <4192FA5C.6020500@platypus.bc.ca> References: <200411101633.51895.jon@foneport.com> <4192FA5C.6020500@platypus.bc.ca> Message-ID: <200411111008.20254.jon@foneport.com> I took the easy way out and used another machine, but I will have a go at getting this backup and running. I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks for the advice. Jon On Thursday 11 November 2004 05:36, bishop wrote: > Jon, > > Do you think you want to try to repair your current install, or just > start over? > > You should be able to (find and) install the yum RPM with just an rpm-i > invocation, and then you should be off and running once again. > > Um, you DO have rpm installed still, right? If not, and you have nfs, > we can mount the root (careful now) over NFS to another machine and use > rpm with the --root on that system to reinstall rpm over the one that's > there. Then we unmount it, quickly, do the rpm--rebuilddb and yum install. > > Oh, do an rpm --rebuilddb too, just to ensure you've got something > coherent as an RPMdb, just before adding in the yum RPM or, well, > whenever you think a known-clean RPMdb may be useful. > > - bish > > Jon Hill wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I am new this list. > > I have White Box running on a development server, I like the ideas behind > > this distribution and hope to become an active contributor if I can over > > time. > > > > I had WB running on an oldish machine with a 2Gig hard drive. I didn't > > have a great deal of space left I ran out of hard drive space whilst > > running a yum update. I know have a damaged installation and don't know > > how I would go about trying to recover packages. I can't even run yum > > anymore because it has removed itself during the failed update. It was > > obvioulsy a little silly of me to run an auto update on a machine like > > this one, but is this a flaw in the whole yum concept? I had a similar > > problem running up2date on a RHE3 server recently. The update process > > failed and I ended up with RPMs that I had to reinstall manually and then > > repair the package database etc. > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From denis@just-servers.co.uk Thu Nov 11 10:53:55 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:53:55 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software Message-ID: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems (RH9.0) and need to check that they have not been rootkit'd (for my own piece of mind) anybody had experience of good toolkits for finding out of a system has been compromised ? That is before I prepare a plan to change them to Whitebox over the coming weeks/months. Thanks Denis From haynest@mchsi.com Thu Nov 11 11:13:47 2004 From: haynest@mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:13:47 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <200411111115.iABBFY8I011128@library.beau.org> > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software > > I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems > (RH9.0) and need to check that they have not been rootkit'd Denis... I have used rkhunter for my own peace 'o mind. Good luck and I hope you don't find anything. Regards... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From cpedersen@c-note.dk Thu Nov 11 12:05:57 2004 From: cpedersen@c-note.dk (Casper Pedersen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:05:57 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Head Less In-Reply-To: <20041110230544.GE8156@hawk.birddog.com> References: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1100123784.4319.13.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> <20041110230544.GE8156@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <419355A5.2010208@c-note.dk> Kirby C. Bohling wrote: >You can do it one of 4 ways: > >1. Setup a VNC GUI via a boot disk (never done this personally). > >2. Setup a Serial port install (never done this personally). > >3. Create a WBEL 3.0 install CD that points to a kickstart file by >default. > >4. Use netbooting to do the install. > > > Use the following script to create a boot.iso: mkisofs -V "" -o .iso -b isolinux.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table isolinux/ I have a directory structure like: build.sh (above) /isolinux Copy the contents from /isolinux to ./isolinux, and modify isolinux.cfg - as you will see is that it looks very much like lilo.conf - you should probably just a an entry (as the first), when then will contain what ever you want to add as a kernel parameter. For netinstall copy all the CD's to a directory, and make sure that the directory is exported with NFS or FTP or HTTP. This is how I install all my PC's - flipping CD's is way to much work:-) Regards/Casper From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Thu Nov 11 13:29:53 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:53 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> References: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <1100179793.13098.16.camel@Myth.home.local> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:53 +0000, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems (RH9.0) and need to > check that they have not been rootkit'd (for my own piece of mind) anybody > had experience of good toolkits for finding out of a system has been > compromised ? > > That is before I prepare a plan to change them to Whitebox over the coming > weeks/months. > > Thanks > > Denis I use chkrootkit ... you can get a RH9 version here: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/chkrootkit/ -- Johnny Hughes From Tony@instaview.com Thu Nov 11 14:41:57 2004 From: Tony@instaview.com (Tony) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:41:57 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions Message-ID: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for 'enterprise management' tools? Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. What is needed is something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our 'admins' ) on my own, what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And preferably GPL or BSD licensed.. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4e (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBEEdSLkRBADed+FY4v2Ptj+aUK36vyZdBtl2VBdc4D2IPxLCdWlmyNGu6/B0 F5DbE/eqUCRW2kksdIvggxzEKpnx+I/2rlXlUt8RhaHgaiBWPBoCcEcWiM3dogEV 5+sclqqjYyZ0cO+fmsf2W3HuTGBXi1U6F1WBf463FAWTSvaFU+KTtPn7OwCg9eJY IfCKADhEcU0XOxz52dCjU4cEAN3nVfLLYu0X9tBUaF/OGAkoRA9RRCkgXFoQEeuH JyeR4Y/RC96ZbUP057Mst02y9euTNt+INRIAH0qmb61FVyAIJSAqfnWThl1i44W+ NpxVH47AmboNdT4TTFU8Ae8DvoNiNr7fnD71744GjBVNzq3dWFhuxrwYQgkRiirP TogSA/wNGtUimXOtnOUFykhr14LT8UubcqXPHV6TH7bbvzkX2GsRr+6NxnUUmHjO 2cHGrAFI1X4ijWC3f+N5IHKBUDz7b2Ww1q9twVqo7ktAHdAyvsJrgJxDssjFkI5Y /JMCDoKyE0j438F6bodBfPmMThlgHstEi1t1Q9fiGm1THMvSWLQZVG9ueSA8dG9u eUBJbnN0YXZpZXcuY29tPohXBBMRAgAXBQJBHUi5BQsHCgMEAxUDAgMWAgECF4AA CgkQhDKqpumhudgXwACg0rtUwe9nOJTNKiSmxzkIvrJCR2wAn1ds3O+jTFaiFCNY +e4A8rjz/548uQENBEEdSL0QBAD6f/sVKrl4/ozS34MgnWV6TBonnoedOxco7+KT GgMxD2Xm2Kx1eQRQnnjH7YRXKi04i//nro/+rJAc8N6cIyBzTf92h2apXyMvsf61 bPJHi7kQ1ok3GfmvDydMWtuHpjjWNwwn0oQVruJWMDQZ6NxVRar0tiS974ALaIuo 4z0OywADBQP6A40NfIDkGs50Cpj/awIvSaEDZShhrp2ajRaKC8UJmRa1WLS4GO+I 6/RXiex5pz8iMBtqam8iGWFHIvn9fpU+ZW84JgXzXjBKQlAWPZGm1kHuzRpOG2mk mnUxUUPBSJJrwQfffnvnqhS2h+hYGeudxxdrw14w7tBKaYiBJ8hIp0KIRgQYEQIA BgUCQR1IvQAKCRCEMqqm6aG52DclAKCo/tsNI/hQznvlRGHsbDc9425pOgCg87wh OcRH+mnqaOtAT+aTb3YE1Io= =IVpH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From Dan.Geist@cox.com Thu Nov 11 14:58:40 2004 From: Dan.Geist@cox.com (Dan Geist) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:58:40 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> References: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> Message-ID: <1100185120.14654.59.camel@secdev.cox.net> Tony, That sounds like a perfectly good topic! I wish more people would talk about management tools in the open-source community, but that's not to say there's not lots of stuff out there. The question arises... what exactly are your goals? Also, what types of machines are you managing? I worked at a place that had a RH Linux developer core with windows bus-dev folks. A few cleverly-crafted small scripts were all that was needed to maintain the developers hosts (nightly updates, etc). I have some WBEL hosts currently that utilize central authentication sources using PAM_TACPLUS (so they can share user resources with routers and switches, etc..). So... what are you trying to do, exactly? Dan On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: > Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for 'enterprise > management' tools? > > Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. What > is needed is > something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. > > Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our > 'admins' ) on my own, > what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And > preferably GPL or > BSD licensed.. > -- Dan Geist | dan.geist@cox.com | (404)269-6822 Network Security Engineer | Telephony/Data Eng | Cox Communications From gri0941@uta.edu Thu Nov 11 15:08:53 2004 From: gri0941@uta.edu (Ganeshram Iyer) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:08:53 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <200411082311.08182.javanree@vanree.net> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> <200411082311.08182.javanree@vanree.net> Message-ID: <41938085.6030504@uta.edu> Thanks for all the links and comments. But I need to have it writable in Linux as it is a backup HD which the Windows m/c also need to read/write to. I tried to partition and format into two 30GB sets and it works fine. my problem now is that when I mount it on WBEL it is not writable. I know I need to add permissions when I mount, but my attempts did not work. Could someone please give me the writable mount command and also the line to add to /etc/fstab so that this disk is auto-mountable and unmountable by user. Thanks in advance Ganesh Jan-Albert van Ree wrote: >On Monday 08 November 2004 20:56, Ganeshram Iyer wrote: > > >>I know this question is not Whitebox specific but I had a question >>regarding a 60GB USB HD which I want to mount and format using Whitebox. >>What file system do I need to use to ensure that this HD can be read >>using both Window as well Linux? >> >> > >If just reading under Linux is sufficient, and write/read under Windows, you >can use NTFS, and grab the NTFS package and build your own RPM's (or fetch >them somewhere, I've got NTFS RPM's at >http://www.vanree.net/wbel30/personal/ , they need to match your WBEL >kernel!) I mount my Windows XP partition this way. I used FAT32 for my >games/"data" partition (real data never goes beyond my Linux install, thus >on EXT3) > >If you want to read+write under Linux you're stuck with FAT32 as far as I >know, and you'll have to split the disk, FAT32 IIRC doesn't go beyond about >32 GB. > > From webmaster@ew3d.com Thu Nov 11 15:21:00 2004 From: webmaster@ew3d.com (John Hinton) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:21:00 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <1100185120.14654.59.camel@secdev.cox.net> References: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> <1100185120.14654.59.camel@secdev.cox.net> Message-ID: <4193835C.5040706@ew3d.com> > >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: > > >>Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for 'enterprise >>management' tools? >> >>Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. What >>is needed is >>something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. >> >>Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our >>'admins' ) on my own, >>what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And >>preferably GPL or >>BSD licensed.. >> >> >> Webmin is a pretty good free tool. One of its best features is that it seems to work along just fine from both the GUI as well as getting along with hand configs done through the console. It is a little rough around the edges, and a bit unclear as to just what you're doing sometimes, but rarely does it actually break something. It also has a clustering package to manage many servers at once. Buy the book, and give it a run. I'm very happy with it myself. OH, and it is GPL and it is mostly written in perl, so you can hack areas if you need/want to. Best, John Hinton From lists@ehome.net Thu Nov 11 15:28:26 2004 From: lists@ehome.net (eLists) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:28:26 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] how can I force a YUM upgrade/update? Message-ID:

Hello,

I recently setup a Whitebox server with Webmin. While performing the YUM update to install all new packages/updates my internet connection apparently got interrupted. As a result the updates did not complete. Is there a way I can force the update to either start over or complete?

The server is now in a data center (I didn't notice the problem at first), so being able to do this remotely would be very helpful. Otherwise a trip down there would be required.

Thanks for any help/pointers on how to fix this.

Dale

From michiele@info.nl Thu Nov 11 16:03:50 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:03:50 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] upgrade with yum or apt from red hat 9.0 to whitebox linux Message-ID: <41938D66.3080306@info.nl> Hi, is this possible and if not why is it possible with CentOS en Lineox (other RHEL clones) and not with WhiteBox? Some people like Fedora over Whitebox 'cause of the yum upgrade possibility to update all you red hat 9.0 servers to Fedora Core 2/3. has anyone already did a succesful upgrade with yum/apt to whitebox? We want to do this for our remote servers. Thanks in advance. -- Kind Regards, Michiel From kbohling@birddog.com Thu Nov 11 16:36:05 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:36:05 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> References: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:53:55AM -0000, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems (RH9.0) and need > to check that they have not been rootkit'd (for my own piece of mind) > anybody had experience of good toolkits for finding out of a system has > been compromised ? > It's not exactly what you asked for. However, this might be useful to you. I've used the techniques described below to check out machines I just took over. Sorry if this all obvious to you. I sure wish somebody had pointed it out to me earlier in my admin experience. > That is before I prepare a plan to change them to Whitebox over the coming > weeks/months. If you have a known copy of the RPM database, you can use commands like this (or you can probably build one with the original packages if use the --justdb option and change the rpmdb path, you can build a RPM db for the packages you believe should be installed on the machine): Boot off a known clean disk image, mount the disks you want to check: $ for foo in `rpm -q -a` ; do rpm -V --nomd5 $foo ; done $ find / -type f \! -exec rpm --quiet -q -f {} \; -print You'll need to modify them to --root and use the --redhatprovides to do the job. You'll probably want to remove the --nomd5 from the options also to be more secure. I've used the two above commands to find absolutely every file on a machine that isn't the same as what came out of an RPM. I trusted the RPM database on the machine. If you don't, you'll have to do like I said and add the --root and --redhatprovides options for RPM. It's a poor mans way of running/simulating tripwire after the fact. The one serious issue with this is that you might have to replace the initrd images on /boot to be absolutely sure everything is clean (I believe those are built by a script, not installed from the RPM, thus I don't believe they are in the database, if they are you shouldn't trust them anyways, they are good place for a rootkit to attack to get access to the machine early in the boot cycle). As long as I'm making the list, this is a good command to see what packages have been updated/installed since the machine was installed: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME:date} %{NAME}\n" Load that into a spreadsheet and sort by the date. There should be a fairly obvious break in the times, that's probably the last package that got installed on the original install. In the end, when I take over a box, I've found these to be useful to find everything on the machine that isn't stock. It's a quick and relatively painless way to find out what sorts of things I need to look out for. Thanks, Kirby From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Thu Nov 11 16:53:49 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:53:49 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> Message-ID: <005101c4c80f$04305ec0$0501a8c0@darkside> Tony <> wrote: > Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for > 'enterprise management' tools? What type of management? There are all kinds of tools out there (many half-finished, but I digress) to help you manage machines of all types. There's patch management, network management, server management, user management, antivirus management, resource accounting (printers, etc.,) fried shrimp, shrimp gumbo, asset management, backup management and more; not to mention the Windows & Linux variations of all of these. For the record, I use a multitude of tools. Here's a short list off of the top of my head: 1) Scripts. Scripts. Scripts. For a lot of things. For example, I use a relatively simple script to retrieve anti-virus logs off of my workstations and sort through them for errors, warnings and virus reports. I have another that performs auxiliary backups to firewire hard drives connected to my backup server. There are many, many more. You can't beat the portability and tweakability of shell or perl scripts for quick and dirty tasks that turn into long term solutions. 2) ntop. Get good stats on your servers. 3) Avalon. Ditto, but different. 4) Vendor tools. For example, my phone system comes with an "enterprise class" web based administration tool. What I can't figure out is why some vendors believe "enterprise class" means "make it with a bad UI and make it with Java". 5) snmp/mrtg/rrdtool. Sort of falls in the "scripts" category but has a special place in my heart. Every network device you own probably has SNMP capabilities. If it doesn't, you're using the wrong network device. :) You can use mrtg or rrdtool (with supporting software) to report stats back from those devices. Want to know which users are sucking up your bandwidth? Point snmp & mrtg at your managed switch & go bonk the offender on the head. Want to know which virus you get sent the most? Do some data massaging on your mail logs and report with rrdtool (in a script, of course), then you can see your virus stats at a glance. You can add all this info to a single web page and have all your important network information available at one bookmark. 6) "Network Management Suites" such as HP Openview and others that try to tie a lot of things together into one central application. Sometimes these work well, other times they don't. Most vendors are willing to give you a crippled demo, but the demo invariably cripples the part that you were interested in. Most of these are reporting tools, but that's a big part of management. The context of your message makes me think that you were looking more for user/client computer management tools. For the user part LDAP seems to be one answer, but it's big and complex and difficult to wrap your head around at first. "Lightweight" my ass. :) For the computer management: you can use samba to some degree. You can also use the pstools suite to craft your own remote management stuff. There may be a third party tool out there that might help. Novell might be cooking something up to add to NDS (or maybe they already have -- I haven't looked at Novell in a long, long time.) HTH, and I'm looking forward to a good discussion on the list about this sort of thing -- if it's not too OT. --J(K) From dsimoes@linkshare.com Thu Nov 11 16:50:34 2004 From: dsimoes@linkshare.com (Dan Simoes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:50:34 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <200411111650.iABGoTWB028778@mail.linkshare.com> How about the chkrootkit software? http://www.chkrootkit.org/ From denis@just-servers.co.uk Thu Nov 11 16:58:06 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:58:06 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <200411111658.iABGwFc29799@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Many thanks for all the usefull info, I am now looking at these so far the systems are clean. I am very impressed by some of the tricks in the response from Kirby and will be using them, they look amazing. Thanks Again Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From weeboy@conorwynne.com Thu Nov 11 17:39:11 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <4193835C.5040706@ew3d.com> References: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> <1100185120.14654.59.camel@secdev.cox.net> <4193835C.5040706@ew3d.com> Message-ID: <1100194751.3813.0.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-vUfpGD84UY+RJ4akOnjd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 15:21, John Hinton wrote: > > > >On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: > > =20 > > > >>Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for 'enterp= rise > >>management' tools? Nessus?=20 --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-vUfpGD84UY+RJ4akOnjd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBk6O/TlURc8L++sIRAlDLAJ0XuR+lOJZPZre1s6ge9bOf9uHgywCfU3UX rB7SETm3X+KnB0rd35IPnFg= =GXL6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vUfpGD84UY+RJ4akOnjd-- From hawk82 Thu Nov 11 17:46:09 2004 From: hawk82 (hawk82) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:46:09 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <200411111658.iABGwFc29799@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> References: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> <200411111658.iABGwFc29799@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Message-ID: Rootkit Hunter: http://www.rootkit.nl/ I helped the developers create MD5 sums for WBEL. I've been using it for months now and it works great as far as I can tell. Josh On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:58:06 -0000, Denis Croombs wrote: > Many thanks for all the usefull info, I am now looking at these so far the > systems are clean. > > I am very impressed by some of the tricks in the response from Kirby and > will be using them, they look amazing. > > Thanks Again > > Denis > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From WBEL-User03@TheMoreIKnow.info Thu Nov 11 18:22:34 2004 From: WBEL-User03@TheMoreIKnow.info (Bernie Hoefer) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:22:34 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] 60GB HD In-Reply-To: <41938085.6030504@uta.edu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945646@ws3.cimex.com.cu> <418FCF63.9070108@uta.edu> <200411082311.08182.javanree@vanree.net> <41938085.6030504@uta.edu> Message-ID: <4193ADEA.9030103@TheMoreIKnow.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ganeshram Iyer wrote: === > work. Could someone please give me the writable mount command and also > the line to add to /etc/fstab so that this disk is auto-mountable and > unmountable by user. Thanks in advance === Below is what I have in my /etc/fstab that automatically mounts my FAT32 formated partition. My 'unpriviledged' users can read & write to it. /dev/hda1 /mnt/C vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0 As you can probably tell from that line, the mount command to do the same thing should be mount -t vfat -o users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 /dev/hda1 /mnt/C (One doesn't need to include "rw" in the options since that is the default. Feel free to add it, though, if you want.) - -- Bernie Hoefer PGP e-mail is welcome. Get my 1024 bit signature key from: . "The more I know, the more I realize how much I do not understand." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBk63gckGmqURqb5MRAiQWAJ92yEOmdZwhWNMhCio5Ttov9Zr9ZACgjJPB pr/kfgZwub+uoJrr4bqRbLo= =3SM9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tony@instaview.com Thu Nov 11 19:15:14 2004 From: tony@instaview.com (Tony) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:15:14 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> References: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> This is where I'm coming from: I have a setup that will be about 500 workstations, and a handfull of servers. About 500 or so users as well. What we need is a way to *centrally* manage the PCs and users, not the traditional Unix way of managing them on the workstation.. ( running them as dumb X terminals isn't the solution here, due to bandwidth ). That sort of 'management' just isn't practical at this level. By 'manage' the users: central database of logins, and policy rights. LDAP makes the most sence here of course. All workstations need to hit the LDAP server for authentication, and 'policies'. Need the ability to create and manage the 'directory' from several locations ( this part isn't hard i realize as LDAP can be accessed remotely. ) I'm still messing with kiosk mode for KDE for desktop control, and if that does a good enough job ill want to head that direction as well, but that would need to also tie back to groups defined in the 'directrory server'. Manage the desktops: Again, central database control. Need to be able to create groups of workstations, so as to install/remove applications with out having to touch each workstation manually, ( even remotely ). I know things such as ssh and webmin can do this remotely, but its still a manual, one by one process. I guess it just boils down to managing the entire enterprise via 'policies', from a central location.. not ever having to touch a PC manually unless it dies, and having *all* software policy, and login information stored on a central directory. Those of us from a large windows enterprise know what I'm talking about when i speak of SMS, GPO and AD.. thats what i want to emulate, as much as is possible.. Enterprise monitoring, thats taken care of as there are plenty of 'enterprise' monitoring tools.. > > Message: 9 > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions > From: Dan Geist > To: Tony@instaview.com > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:58:40 -0500 > > Tony, That sounds like a perfectly good topic! I wish more people would > talk about management tools in the open-source community, but that's not > to say there's not lots of stuff out there. > > The question arises... what exactly are your goals? Also, what types of > machines are you managing? > > I worked at a place that had a RH Linux developer core with windows > bus-dev folks. A few cleverly-crafted small scripts were all that was > needed to maintain the developers hosts (nightly updates, etc). > > I have some WBEL hosts currently that utilize central authentication > sources using PAM_TACPLUS (so they can share user resources with routers > and switches, etc..). > > So... what are you trying to do, exactly? > > Dan > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: > > Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for > > 'enterprise management' tools? > > > > Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. > > What is needed is > > something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. > > > > Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our > > 'admins' ) on my own, > > what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And > > preferably GPL or > > BSD licensed.. > > -- > Dan Geist | dan.geist@cox.com | (404)269-6822 > Network Security Engineer | Telephony/Data Eng | Cox Communications > From denis@just-servers.co.uk Thu Nov 11 19:15:34 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:15:34 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password changed remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD boot and change the root password to something I know BUT I have a few questions. 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address ? 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) 4) What else should I be doing ? All help would be very helpful (I think I know the answer to most of the above must I MUST do a sanity check ! ) I just do not want to miss anything. Regards Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Marvin the E-Mail scanner From weeboy@conorwynne.com Thu Nov 11 19:28:12 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:28:12 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> References: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> Message-ID: <1100201292.3813.9.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-MBdwm2GjN8ttNSfWwkNr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 19:15, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password chan= ged > remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD boot and chang= e > the root password to something I know BUT I have a few questions. >=20 > 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address ? > 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? > 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? > (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) Try "last", this will show you the last logins from wherever.=20 e.g.: root pts/1 snowwhite.conorw Thu Nov 11 19:25 still logged in root pts/0 213.94.228.209 Thu Nov 11 10:27 - 14:36 (04:09) root pts/1 213.94.228.209 Thu Nov 11 08:54 - 08:55 (00:00) > 4) What else should I be doing ? Run "chkrootkit" - google for it.=20 Tar up /var/log for reference. Maybe get a snapshot of the entire system for offline analysis. > All help would be very helpful=20 > (I think I know the answer to most of the above must I MUST do a sanity > check ! ) I just do not want to miss anything. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Denis --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-MBdwm2GjN8ttNSfWwkNr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBk71MTlURc8L++sIRAseyAKC3bxeND98pJibgzUmlhhabTqvFqwCeJFlN QLucin2n8dfYM9uCpElnnJw= =eItz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-MBdwm2GjN8ttNSfWwkNr-- From kbohling@birddog.com Thu Nov 11 20:04:38 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:38 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> References: <20041111163557.GA10677@hawk.birddog.com> <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> Message-ID: <20041111200437.GG10677@hawk.birddog.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:15:34PM -0000, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password changed > remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD boot and change > the root password to something I know BUT I have a few questions. > Take the machine offline, duplicate the disk, run an MD5SUM of the original write it down for documentation purposes. Put the new drive back in, do your forensics off the new duplicate copy. If you want to start over on the forensics just copy the original disk again. Don't even mount the drive, just use "dd" to copy the individual partitions if need be. In the US, I believe that's the policy of the FBI and police to avoid data integrity accusations in court. The defendant in the case claims he's being framed, they can't prove that someone didn't setup a harddrive to look just like he did it. So they keep an absolutely original copy w/ md5sum from the moment they touched the drive. Thus the forensics can be duplicated both independent experts. Now because the drive has been in your hands, it might be unnecessary for the md5sum. However, I'd want an original copy I could always duplicate to start over with to double check that I hadn't modified something. I'd always mount the disk read only so I didn't accidently change a filesystem timestamp or contents by accident. > 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address ? Normally the command "last", will tell you the last sets of login's. Last parses a file named utmp or wtmp. I forget it's location, but it's not a human readable file. Just use "last". If they logged in via ssh, I believe that /var/log/messages has the timestamps (not sure about IP's). $ grep "sshd" /var/log/messages It appears to give me the reverse lookup, and fall back to the IP, the reverse name could be faked, but that's a lot of work for the attacker to go to. (Generally storing IP's is easier, faster, and more reliable. I wish more people did that, or at least stored both in logs). If they didn't log into the machine as root, they probably su'ed, for that do this: $ grep "su" /var/log/messages If they logged into the console this should bring up the appropriate lines: $ grep "login" /var/log/messages You'll probably have to look closer at it. The archive logs might have rolled, so you might have to look at files with the same prefix. The person who did this is a fool if they didn't wipe the logs however. > 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? If it is anywhere, it'll probably be in this directory: /var/log It might be in the .bash_history of the various users you believe they are logged in as (save this file as soon as possible). It generally only holds 1000 commands, so if you do too much logged in as root, it'll erase what history you have. > 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? > (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) Keep the original disk if at all possible. If they are serious about forensics, they'll immediatly duplicate it as described above. I'm doubtful they'll take you terribly seriously unless you can demonstrate serious financial damage. However, it never hurts to assume they will take it seriously. > > 4) What else should I be doing ? > > All help would be very helpful > (I think I know the answer to most of the above must I MUST do a sanity > check ! ) I just do not want to miss anything. > I'd take the machine offline and try the rootkits the other people have mentioned. I'd examine everything: /var/spool/cron/ /etc/cron.* /etc/cron That's where crontabs are stored. Those are the places people stick files to do nasty things in a week. I forget where "at" stores it's commands. You probably want to check that too. I've had one machine broken into, we setup a new machine to replace the existing one. We burned the old one to the ground once we figured out what they had done. Made sure we had patched for the attack they used and got current with all the other patches we could for security purposes. I can understand your reluctance if it's a customer machine, or if you have to do this for 20 machines in a short period. There's a ton of things to do, I really don't want to ramble on, it's not an area I have great deal of knowledge or expertise on. I've read about this before, but never had to deal with it personally much. You really should find a forensics expertise list. I've really just listed the things I've done to track down what happened to a machine when I can't get in touch with the admin. Looking in /var/log/messages, and examining .bash_history of various users is an easy way of seeing what someone has been doing on your machine. However, a compentent malicious user won't leave those behind. Thanks, Kirby From Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com Thu Nov 11 20:09:52 2004 From: Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com (Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:09:52 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <001401c4c7fc$99093520$0a00a8c0@wonderland> Message-ID: A good starting point is to setup ssh key authentication everywhere and write a script like this: Note: what you see here is pieces of a larger, more complex script but the general idea is intact. This has a ton of uses. Name it "SSH" and use it to run a command on all of your systems, like 'SSH /sbin/chkconfig --list xinetd'. The "more complex" part that I pulled out is mainly cases and arguments to target groups of systems. #!/bin/bash #SSH SYSTEM_LIST=/data/scripts/PRE_config/allsystems SYSTEMS=`cat $SYSTEM_LIST | grep -v ^#` case $# in *) case $1 in "-q" ) QUIET=1 CMD=`echo $@ | cut -d\ -f 2-` ;; *) CMD=$@ ;; esac ;; esac function is_host_up { if [ $# -lt 1 ]; then echo "Specify a host or ip as an argument." else echo $1 | fping -t 250 -r 1 -a 2>/dev/null fi } for system in $SYSTEMS; do if [ ! "$QUIET" ]; then echo "###############################################" echo $system; echo "*****" fi if [ `is_host_up $system` ]; then ssh $system "$CMD"; else echo "Skipping $system - unavailable" fi if [ ! "$QUIET" ]; then echo "*****"; fi done #EOF "Tony" Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/11/2004 08:41 AM Please respond to To cc Subject [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for 'enterprise management' tools? Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. What is needed is something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our 'admins' ) on my own, what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And preferably GPL or BSD licensed.. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4e (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBEEdSLkRBADed+FY4v2Ptj+aUK36vyZdBtl2VBdc4D2IPxLCdWlmyNGu6/B0 F5DbE/eqUCRW2kksdIvggxzEKpnx+I/2rlXlUt8RhaHgaiBWPBoCcEcWiM3dogEV 5+sclqqjYyZ0cO+fmsf2W3HuTGBXi1U6F1WBf463FAWTSvaFU+KTtPn7OwCg9eJY IfCKADhEcU0XOxz52dCjU4cEAN3nVfLLYu0X9tBUaF/OGAkoRA9RRCkgXFoQEeuH JyeR4Y/RC96ZbUP057Mst02y9euTNt+INRIAH0qmb61FVyAIJSAqfnWThl1i44W+ NpxVH47AmboNdT4TTFU8Ae8DvoNiNr7fnD71744GjBVNzq3dWFhuxrwYQgkRiirP TogSA/wNGtUimXOtnOUFykhr14LT8UubcqXPHV6TH7bbvzkX2GsRr+6NxnUUmHjO 2cHGrAFI1X4ijWC3f+N5IHKBUDz7b2Ww1q9twVqo7ktAHdAyvsJrgJxDssjFkI5Y /JMCDoKyE0j438F6bodBfPmMThlgHstEi1t1Q9fiGm1THMvSWLQZVG9ueSA8dG9u eUBJbnN0YXZpZXcuY29tPohXBBMRAgAXBQJBHUi5BQsHCgMEAxUDAgMWAgECF4AA CgkQhDKqpumhudgXwACg0rtUwe9nOJTNKiSmxzkIvrJCR2wAn1ds3O+jTFaiFCNY +e4A8rjz/548uQENBEEdSL0QBAD6f/sVKrl4/ozS34MgnWV6TBonnoedOxco7+KT GgMxD2Xm2Kx1eQRQnnjH7YRXKi04i//nro/+rJAc8N6cIyBzTf92h2apXyMvsf61 bPJHi7kQ1ok3GfmvDydMWtuHpjjWNwwn0oQVruJWMDQZ6NxVRar0tiS974ALaIuo 4z0OywADBQP6A40NfIDkGs50Cpj/awIvSaEDZShhrp2ajRaKC8UJmRa1WLS4GO+I 6/RXiex5pz8iMBtqam8iGWFHIvn9fpU+ZW84JgXzXjBKQlAWPZGm1kHuzRpOG2mk mnUxUUPBSJJrwQfffnvnqhS2h+hYGeudxxdrw14w7tBKaYiBJ8hIp0KIRgQYEQIA BgUCQR1IvQAKCRCEMqqm6aG52DclAKCo/tsNI/hQznvlRGHsbDc9425pOgCg87wh OcRH+mnqaOtAT+aTb3YE1Io= =IVpH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From jaire@preciant.com Thu Nov 11 20:46:35 2004 From: jaire@preciant.com (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:46:35 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> References: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> Message-ID: <4193CFAB.5040802@preciant.com> If you're used to windows you can use Active Directory with Linux/Unix via Vintela's cool software. http://www.vintela.com It's not free, but it does a great job of managing Linux boxen with Active Directory. --Jeremy Tony wrote: >This is where I'm coming from: > >I have a setup that will be about 500 workstations, and a handfull of servers. >About 500 or so users as well. > >What we need is a way to *centrally* manage the PCs and users, not the >traditional Unix way of managing them on the workstation.. ( running them as >dumb X terminals isn't the solution here, due to bandwidth ). That sort of >'management' just isn't practical at this level. > >By 'manage' the users: central database of logins, and policy rights. LDAP >makes the most sence here of course. All workstations need to hit the LDAP >server for authentication, and 'policies'. > >Need the ability to create and manage the 'directory' from several locations >( this part isn't hard i realize as LDAP can be accessed remotely. ) > >I'm still messing with kiosk mode for KDE for desktop control, and if that >does a good enough job ill want to head that direction as well, but that >would need to also tie back to groups defined in the 'directrory server'. > >Manage the desktops: Again, central database control. Need to be able to >create groups of workstations, so as to install/remove applications with out >having to touch each workstation manually, ( even remotely ). > >I know things such as ssh and webmin can do this remotely, but its still a >manual, one by one process. > >I guess it just boils down to managing the entire enterprise via 'policies', >from a central location.. not ever having to touch a PC manually unless it >dies, and having *all* software policy, and login information stored on a >central directory. > >Those of us from a large windows enterprise know what I'm talking about >when i speak of SMS, GPO and AD.. thats what i want to emulate, as much >as is possible.. > >Enterprise monitoring, thats taken care of as there are plenty of 'enterprise' >monitoring tools.. > > > > > >>Message: 9 >>Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions >>From: Dan Geist >>To: Tony@instaview.com >>Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org >>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:58:40 -0500 >> >>Tony, That sounds like a perfectly good topic! I wish more people would >>talk about management tools in the open-source community, but that's not >>to say there's not lots of stuff out there. >> >>The question arises... what exactly are your goals? Also, what types of >>machines are you managing? >> >>I worked at a place that had a RH Linux developer core with windows >>bus-dev folks. A few cleverly-crafted small scripts were all that was >>needed to maintain the developers hosts (nightly updates, etc). >> >>I have some WBEL hosts currently that utilize central authentication >>sources using PAM_TACPLUS (so they can share user resources with routers >>and switches, etc..). >> >>So... what are you trying to do, exactly? >> >>Dan >> >>On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: >> >> >>>Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for >>>'enterprise management' tools? >>> >>>Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. >>>What is needed is >>>something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. >>> >>>Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our >>>'admins' ) on my own, >>>what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And >>>preferably GPL or >>>BSD licensed.. >>> >>> >>-- >>Dan Geist | dan.geist@cox.com | (404)269-6822 >>Network Security Engineer | Telephony/Data Eng | Cox Communications >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From j@lumiere.net Thu Nov 11 21:01:03 2004 From: j@lumiere.net (Jesse) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:01:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> References: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Tony wrote: > I have a setup that will be about 500 workstations, and a handfull of servers. > About 500 or so users as well. > > What we need is a way to *centrally* manage the PCs and users, not the > > By 'manage' the users: central database of logins, and policy rights. LDAP > makes the most sence here of course. All workstations need to hit the LDAP > server for authentication, and 'policies'. You may want to check out radmind at http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/radmind/ It uses policies to manage the filesystems of groups of unix machines. It can also detect changes in files (integrity checking). You manage machines by describing the 'loadsets' they consist of. The loadsets are stored on a remote/central server. You can make a change on the server and have it reflected on all the appropriate machines. I haven't used it much myself yet but I've heard lots of good things and been looking into using it myself. Best regards, From Jim Wildman Thu Nov 11 21:01:06 2004 From: Jim Wildman (Jim Wildman) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:01:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> References: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Tony wrote: > This is where I'm coming from: > > I have a setup that will be about 500 workstations, and a handfull of servers. > About 500 or so users as well. > > What we need is a way to *centrally* manage the PCs and users, not the > traditional Unix way of managing them on the workstation.. ( running them as > dumb X terminals isn't the solution here, due to bandwidth ). That sort of > 'management' just isn't practical at this level. > A couple of suggestions that I am working on: cfengine. http://www.cfengine.org/ Cfengine, or the configuration engine is an autonomous agent and a middle to high level policy language for building expert systems which administrate and configure large computer networks. Cfengine uses the idea of classes and a primitive intelligence to define and automate the configuration and maintenance of system state, for small to huge configurations. Cfengine is designed to be a part of a computer immune system, and can be thought of as a gaming agent. It is ideal for cluster management and has been adopted for use all over the world in small and huge organizations alike. GOSA: GOsa is a PHP-based administration tool for role-based managing of accounts and systems in LDAP databases. Standard configurations can manage generic, POSIX/shadow, postfix/cyrus/sieve, pureftpd, fax, and samba 2/3 accounts in LDAP. It has plugins for DNS (BIND), DHCP (ISC dhcpd), and system/terminal management. The look and feel can be easily adapted to users' needs. http://freshmeat.net/redir/gosa/31362/url_homepage/gosa ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From pete@ex-parrot.com Thu Nov 11 21:14:22 2004 From: pete@ex-parrot.com (Pete Stevens) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:14:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> References: <200411112030.iABKUZn03284@rack1.just-hosting.biz> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password changed > remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD boot and change > the root password to something I know BUT I have a few questions. > > 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address ? > 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? > 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? > (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) > > 4) What else should I be doing ? I went on the SANS network security auditing course. The hard part about involving the police is managing custody of the evidence, if you hope to prosecute I'd strongly suggest talking to a solictor - the information they gave me was some time ago and complicated about how you prove that the evidence is admissable in court. Secondly, expect them to cart off the original disks and possibly the whole machine and that it might not be returned for a very long time. You'll then need a expert witness to do the dissection who can stand up in court and say 'I believe that person X made the modifications'. I'd recommend the SANS network team here - they run honey pots and are well practiced and respected for their ability to dissect hacked machine and figure out what happened to them. Hope this helps, Yours, Pete Stevens -- Pete Stevens pete@ex-parrot.com Virtual WBEL servers - http://www.mythic-beasts.com Life isn't measured by the amount of breaths you take, but by the number of moments that take your breath away. -- seen on the internet From mikes@hartwellcorp.com Thu Nov 11 22:51:49 2004 From: mikes@hartwellcorp.com (Michael St. Laurent) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:51:49 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Only 3 of 4 GB of RAM showing Message-ID: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C57706@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> I've got a system with 4GB of RAM but only 3GB are showing up in the top command. Is there a problem with >3GB RAM? -- Michael St. Laurent Hartwell Corporation From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Thu Nov 11 23:48:24 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:48:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Business software for linux Message-ID: <4193FA48.5010609@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> I am hoping to find a inventory management program suitable for something like a bookstore or other 1-5 person smb. The software would need to be able to accept inputs from wireless handheld scanning devices for entry into the system. It must also work with their windows based PoS computer. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. William -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From weeboy@conorwynne.com Thu Nov 11 23:50:53 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:50:53 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Only 3 of 4 GB of RAM showing In-Reply-To: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C57706@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> References: <91A5926EFF44D3118B1200104B7276EB02C57706@hart-exchange.hartwellcorp.com> Message-ID: <1100217052.4735.3.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-wUx7gaMVeRRvRcbDju0A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 22:51, Michael St. Laurent wrote: > I've got a system with 4GB of RAM but only 3GB are showing up in the top > command. >=20 > Is there a problem with >3GB RAM? Nope, its likely that your system can auto remap the missing RAM when required.=20 The "default" kernel supports up to 4GB, over that you need kernel-enterprise for up to 16GB, or recompile with himem support.=20 So your are fine, as long as POST sees 4GB :-0 >=20 > --=20 > Michael St. Laurent > Hartwell Corporation > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-wUx7gaMVeRRvRcbDju0A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBk/rcTlURc8L++sIRAivtAJ9kPcCgRxb8sb66sMBD+uJf16bA1ACcD5VR XiY+4yT9wKNrrOivhOzYcQs= =Di7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wUx7gaMVeRRvRcbDju0A-- From liverbird89@hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 00:13:23 2004 From: liverbird89@hotmail.com (Graham Waring) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:13:23 +1000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software Message-ID: G'day all, Great advice here from Kirby. My first port of call in situations like this is always the wtmp file, just try utmpdump /var/log/wtmp which is quite helpful. Good luck Graham >From: "Kirby C. Bohling" >To: Denis Croombs >CC: whitebox-users@beau.org >Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:04:38 -0600 > >On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:15:34PM -0000, Denis Croombs wrote: > > I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password >changed > > remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD boot and >change > > the root password to something I know BUT I have a few questions. > > > > Take the machine offline, duplicate the disk, run an MD5SUM of >the original write it down for documentation purposes. Put the new >drive back in, do your forensics off the new duplicate copy. If you >want to start over on the forensics just copy the original disk >again. Don't even mount the drive, just use "dd" to copy the >individual partitions if need be. > > In the US, I believe that's the policy of the FBI and police to >avoid data integrity accusations in court. The defendant in the >case claims he's being framed, they can't prove that someone didn't >setup a harddrive to look just like he did it. So they keep an >absolutely original copy w/ md5sum from the moment they touched the >drive. Thus the forensics can be duplicated both independent >experts. > > Now because the drive has been in your hands, it might be >unnecessary for the md5sum. However, I'd want an original copy I >could always duplicate to start over with to double check that I >hadn't modified something. I'd always mount the disk read only so I >didn't accidently change a filesystem timestamp or contents by >accident. > > > 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address ? > >Normally the command "last", will tell you the last sets of login's. >Last parses a file named utmp or wtmp. I forget it's location, but >it's not a human readable file. Just use "last". > >If they logged in via ssh, I believe that /var/log/messages has the >timestamps (not sure about IP's). > >$ grep "sshd" /var/log/messages > >It appears to give me the reverse lookup, and fall back to the IP, >the reverse name could be faked, but that's a lot of work for the >attacker to go to. (Generally storing IP's is easier, faster, and >more reliable. I wish more people did that, or at least stored both >in logs). > >If they didn't log into the machine as root, they probably su'ed, >for that do this: > >$ grep "su" /var/log/messages > >If they logged into the console this should bring up the appropriate >lines: > >$ grep "login" /var/log/messages > >You'll probably have to look closer at it. The archive logs might >have rolled, so you might have to look at files with the same >prefix. The person who did this is a fool if they didn't wipe the >logs however. > > > 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? > >If it is anywhere, it'll probably be in this directory: > >/var/log > >It might be in the .bash_history of the various users you believe >they are logged in as (save this file as soon as possible). It >generally only holds 1000 commands, so if you do too much logged in >as root, it'll erase what history you have. > > > > 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? > > (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) > >Keep the original disk if at all possible. If they are serious >about forensics, they'll immediatly duplicate it as described above. > >I'm doubtful they'll take you terribly seriously unless you can >demonstrate serious financial damage. However, it never hurts to >assume they will take it seriously. > > > > > 4) What else should I be doing ? > > > > All help would be very helpful > > (I think I know the answer to most of the above must I MUST do a sanity > > check ! ) I just do not want to miss anything. > > > >I'd take the machine offline and try the rootkits the other people >have mentioned. I'd examine everything: > >/var/spool/cron/ >/etc/cron.* >/etc/cron > >That's where crontabs are stored. > >Those are the places people stick files to do nasty things in a >week. I forget where "at" stores it's commands. You probably want >to check that too. > >I've had one machine broken into, we setup a new machine to replace >the existing one. We burned the old one to the ground once we >figured out what they had done. Made sure we had patched for the >attack they used and got current with all the other patches we could >for security purposes. > >I can understand your reluctance if it's a customer machine, or if >you have to do this for 20 machines in a short period. > >There's a ton of things to do, I really don't want to ramble on, >it's not an area I have great deal of knowledge or expertise on. >I've read about this before, but never had to deal with it >personally much. You really should find a forensics expertise list. > >I've really just listed the things I've done to track down what >happened to a machine when I can't get in touch with the admin. >Looking in /var/log/messages, and examining .bash_history of various >users is an easy way of seeing what someone has been doing on your >machine. However, a compentent malicious user won't leave those >behind. > > Thanks, > Kirby > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From cameron@gwschool.com Fri Nov 12 00:36:07 2004 From: cameron@gwschool.com (Cameron Showalter) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:36:07 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Business software for linux In-Reply-To: <4193FA48.5010609@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <4193FA48.5010609@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <41940577.1000403@gwschool.com> William Warren wrote: > I am hoping to find a inventory management program suitable for > something like a bookstore or other 1-5 person smb. The software > would need to be able to accept inputs from wireless handheld scanning > devices for entry into the system. It must also work with their > windows based PoS computer. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. > > William I'm assuming you want to run on whitebox? my company uses counterpoint (www.synchronics.com) for inventory, order entry and PoS. as robust as you want to make it, or are willing to pay for... I believe they have phased out palm support, but it can work with winCE. Although not supported on WBEL, it is supported on RHEL and works just fine with WBEL if you install legacy support. I like counterpoint because you really don't need to change over to expensive hardware in order for it to work well. I have a dual xeon server supporting 100 users at 8 locations, all transactions are done live on the corporate server and posted via cron. prior to this setup I had pII 450's out at the stores supporting between 3 and 7 users each with no problem. backoffice/desktop can access the app via alphacom or even putty. hth. From lists@benjamindsmith.com Fri Nov 12 05:10:11 2004 From: lists@benjamindsmith.com (Benjamin Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:10:11 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Giving back (?) Message-ID: <200411112110.11184.lists@benjamindsmith.com> I'm a little guy maintaining about 15 servers, and thus see the need to run my own yum mirror. Having done so, I'd love to share it, and have lots of bandwidth available, but cannot afford to open it up to the world. Is there any interest in providing access to yum repositories for a slight fee a-la Progeny? After covering expenses, I'd be happy to give the remainder to whitebox or RedHat, or wherever the credit really should lie ... -Ben -- "I kept looking around for somebody to solve the problem. Then I realized I am somebody" -Anonymous From denis@just-servers.co.uk Fri Nov 12 09:01:17 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:01:17 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411120901.iAC91Sc24745@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Thanks for that. But Is there any way of taking the root assword from the shaddow file and finding out what the password actually is ? Many thanks Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From dean.plant@roke.co.uk Fri Nov 12 09:13:17 2004 From: dean.plant@roke.co.uk (Plant, Dean) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:13:17 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software Message-ID: <3F2E01E1D7B04F4EBEC92D3FA324D880273250@rsys004a.roke.co.uk> Denis Croombs wrote: > I have found some of my customers systems have had the root password > changed remotely by an ex-employee, I know I can go do a rescue CD > boot and change the root password to something I know BUT I have a > few questions. > > 1) What files record when root last loged in and from what IP address > ? 2) What file record any other activity by the same person ? > 3) What log files should be kept for handing over to the police ? > (we have informed them and they are sending someone tomorrow) > > 4) What else should I be doing ? Good Details Here. >From the CERT website: CERT(r) Coordination Center Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/root_compromise.html Good luck. Dean. From Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com Fri Nov 12 13:15:30 2004 From: Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:15:30 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <200411120901.iAC91Sc24745@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0048D49585256F4A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" John the ripper will do it. Depending on the complexity of the password it could take several hours, or several minutes. Make sure you get the word lists enabled as well, it will speed things up if the password is a dictionary word or variant thereof. http://www.openwall.com/john/ ========================= Scott Mace Security Administrator Travelcenters of America 440-808-4318 mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com ========================= "Denis Croombs" Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/12/2004 04:01 AM Please respond to To "'Graham Waring'" , cc Subject RE: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software Thanks for that. But Is there any way of taking the root assword from the shaddow file and finding out what the password actually is ? Many thanks Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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John the ripper will do it.  Depending on the complexity of the password it could take several hours, or several minutes.  
Make sure you get the word lists enabled as well, it will speed things up if the password is a dictionary word or variant thereof.

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Thanks for that.

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Many thanks

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--=_alternative 0048D49585256F4A_=-- From jean.lee@free.fr Fri Nov 12 14:05:03 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:05:03 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH as an FTP server In-Reply-To: <20041108164052.65672.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041108164052.65672.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4194C30F.1030503@free.fr> Hello Brett, Jail and chrootssh have not the same function. Jail is a general binary to chroot a user but chrootssh is a patch to apply to OpenSSH. I have not yet the answer about which is better. I succeed in creating a chrooted sftp using Jail but not with chrootssh (I suppose it is because there were the library /etc/lib.so.cache to copy to chrootdir/etc (to make sftp working) and I only saw it when I tried Jail. Then I have not the time to test chrootssh anymore) I have one question for you : How did you set up the permissions in your chrooted environnement ? I suppose that the user should be able to write in his home directory but not in the others so I set root to be the owner to all the directories with 755 permissions except the home directory and subfolders which are owned by the user with 700 permissions. However, I think that it is not good that an executable could be wrotten in the home directory because a malicious intruder could go out of the chrooted environnement by writing and executing an suid binary. What do you think about it ? Thank you for your answer, Jean Brett Moss wrote: >--- Jean Lee wrote: > > > >>Hello Brett, >> >>Thanks a lot for your answer. It's just what I want. >>Just a question : Does jail make sshd more >>vulnerable ? >>Is it a better solution than to patch Openssh with >>chrootssh ( >>http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ )? >> >>Regards, >> >>Jean >> >> >> >hello, >i'm not sure i can answer that question. i suggest >you post it to the two projects mailing lists. i sure >would be interested in the results of that question. >i can say though i have used jail ( >http://www.jmcresearch.com/projects/jail/ ) for quite >some time with no problems at all. > >good luck, >brett > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > > > > From nick-tech@terraworld.net Fri Nov 12 16:28:27 2004 From: nick-tech@terraworld.net (Nick Bright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:28:27 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] IMAP and POP3 services Message-ID: <1100276907.31848.10.camel@neptune.terranet.net> I'm setting up a mail system using Whitebox EL3, and am noticing the distinct lack of any IMAP or POP3 packages in the trees. Am I missing something, or are they really not there? On that note, has anyone properly packaged Courier-IMAP & Courier-POP3d for Whitebox? -- - Nick Bright Terraworld, Inc http://home.terraworld.net | 888-332-1616 From nick-tech@terraworld.net Fri Nov 12 16:31:02 2004 From: nick-tech@terraworld.net (Nick Bright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:31:02 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions In-Reply-To: <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> References: <20041111165401.26782.39759.Mailman@library.beau.org> <200411111415.15146.tony@instaview.com> Message-ID: <1100277061.31848.12.camel@neptune.terranet.net> Also, Ximian's Red Carpet software does things like this, you could use the Open-Carpet variant (http://www.opencarpet.org) to do such tasks, I think. On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:15, Tony wrote: > This is where I'm coming from: > > I have a setup that will be about 500 workstations, and a handfull of servers. > About 500 or so users as well. > > What we need is a way to *centrally* manage the PCs and users, not the > traditional Unix way of managing them on the workstation.. ( running them as > dumb X terminals isn't the solution here, due to bandwidth ). That sort of > 'management' just isn't practical at this level. > > By 'manage' the users: central database of logins, and policy rights. LDAP > makes the most sence here of course. All workstations need to hit the LDAP > server for authentication, and 'policies'. > > Need the ability to create and manage the 'directory' from several locations > ( this part isn't hard i realize as LDAP can be accessed remotely. ) > > I'm still messing with kiosk mode for KDE for desktop control, and if that > does a good enough job ill want to head that direction as well, but that > would need to also tie back to groups defined in the 'directrory server'. > > Manage the desktops: Again, central database control. Need to be able to > create groups of workstations, so as to install/remove applications with out > having to touch each workstation manually, ( even remotely ). > > I know things such as ssh and webmin can do this remotely, but its still a > manual, one by one process. > > I guess it just boils down to managing the entire enterprise via 'policies', > from a central location.. not ever having to touch a PC manually unless it > dies, and having *all* software policy, and login information stored on a > central directory. > > Those of us from a large windows enterprise know what I'm talking about > when i speak of SMS, GPO and AD.. thats what i want to emulate, as much > as is possible.. > > Enterprise monitoring, thats taken care of as there are plenty of 'enterprise' > monitoring tools.. > > > > > > > Message: 9 > > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Enterprise Managment Suggestions > > From: Dan Geist > > To: Tony@instaview.com > > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:58:40 -0500 > > > > Tony, That sounds like a perfectly good topic! I wish more people would > > talk about management tools in the open-source community, but that's not > > to say there's not lots of stuff out there. > > > > The question arises... what exactly are your goals? Also, what types of > > machines are you managing? > > > > I worked at a place that had a RH Linux developer core with windows > > bus-dev folks. A few cleverly-crafted small scripts were all that was > > needed to maintain the developers hosts (nightly updates, etc). > > > > I have some WBEL hosts currently that utilize central authentication > > sources using PAM_TACPLUS (so they can share user resources with routers > > and switches, etc..). > > > > So... what are you trying to do, exactly? > > > > Dan > > > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:41, Tony wrote: > > > Sorry if this is a tad OT, but does anyone have suggestions for > > > 'enterprise management' tools? > > > > > > Having to manage a whole department of machines separately is a drag. > > > What is needed is > > > something like Microsoft's' GPO/Active Directory.. > > > > > > Short of writing a whole bunch of scripts ( and perhaps a GUI for our > > > 'admins' ) on my own, > > > what all have you people dealt with that can do the same sort of job? And > > > preferably GPL or > > > BSD licensed.. > > > > -- > > Dan Geist | dan.geist@cox.com | (404)269-6822 > > Network Security Engineer | Telephony/Data Eng | Cox Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- - Nick Bright Terraworld, Inc http://home.terraworld.net | 888-332-1616 From nick-tech@terraworld.net Fri Nov 12 16:36:03 2004 From: nick-tech@terraworld.net (Nick Bright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:36:03 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA RAID problem! In-Reply-To: <0411081099.AA1099945806@ws3.cimex.com.cu> References: <0411081099.AA1099945806@ws3.cimex.com.cu> Message-ID: <1100277363.31848.14.camel@neptune.terranet.net> The ICH5R is not supported by Linux. At all. This is not supported because it isn't actually hardware RAID. It's all done in software through the driver. What this boils down to is: use an MD device (i.e. software raid). On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 14:19, israel.garcia@cimex.com.cu wrote: > I am running WB3.0 respin 1, my server is an INTEL D865PERL (ICH5 chipset) with > two HDD 80 GB each, so my instalation recognized 2 SCSI (sda and sdb) drives, I > have read on the net that I have to install first WB in a PATA hdd, download a > recent kernel and change the RAID to the new HDD... > > My question: > > How can I install WB in this computer using RAID with this hard drives? > What vertion of the kernel support ICH5 SATA RAID? > What can I do? > > regards... > > Israel Garcia Alvarez > Linux Counter User #196178 > Corporacion CIMEX Villa Clara > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- - Nick Bright Terraworld, Inc http://home.terraworld.net | 888-332-1616 From nick-tech@terraworld.net Fri Nov 12 16:37:44 2004 From: nick-tech@terraworld.net (Nick Bright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:37:44 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] LSI SATA 150-6 Message-ID: <1100277464.31848.16.camel@neptune.terranet.net> I'm buying an LSI SATA 150-6 (6 channel sata raid), and was wondering if anyone had tried using one of these with whitebox? I know it's supported, but I was wondering what someones results of actually using it are? -- - Nick Bright Terraworld, Inc http://home.terraworld.net | 888-332-1616 From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Fri Nov 12 16:48:47 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:48:47 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] IMAP and POP3 services In-Reply-To: <1100276907.31848.10.camel@neptune.terranet.net> Message-ID: <005e01c4c8d7$7a816240$0501a8c0@darkside> Nick Bright <> wrote: > I'm setting up a mail system using Whitebox EL3, and am noticing the > distinct lack of any IMAP or POP3 packages in the trees. Am I missing > something, or are they really not there? > > On that note, has anyone properly packaged Courier-IMAP & > Courier-POP3d for Whitebox? Both ipop3d and imapd are provided by the RPM "imap-2002d-9". Also, from the Courier web site (http://www.courier-mta.org/): "Building Courier RPMs You can build binary Courier RPMs directly from the tarball, using RPM version 4.0.2 or higher. For example: rpmbuild -ta courier-version.tar.bz2 Because the RPMs can be built directly from the tarball, binary RPMs will not be distributed separately" There's no reason I can think of that this wouldn't work for WBEL. HTH, --J(K) From aly.dharshi@telus.net Fri Nov 12 16:48:51 2004 From: aly.dharshi@telus.net (Aly Dharshi) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:48:51 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] LSI SATA 150-6 In-Reply-To: <1100277464.31848.16.camel@neptune.terranet.net> References: <1100277464.31848.16.camel@neptune.terranet.net> Message-ID: <4194E973.6030607@telus.net> No clue, but do let us know of your results, maybe I can be persuaded to by it :) Cheers, Aly. Nick Bright wrote: > I'm buying an LSI SATA 150-6 (6 channel sata raid), and was wondering if > anyone had tried using one of these with whitebox? I know it's > supported, but I was wondering what someones results of actually using > it are? > > -- Aly Dharshi aly.dharshi@telus.net "A good speech is like a good dress that's short enough to be interesting and long enough to cover the subject" From whitebox@elric.net Fri Nov 12 17:03:36 2004 From: whitebox@elric.net (Brent DiNicola) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:03:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? Message-ID: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> I mirror my updates with rsync and I haven't seen any updates on various packages that RH has updated. Am I missing this because of my rsync not updating or has John not done anything recently? I have bounced off a few of the mirrors and still get no updates. Brent -- Brent DiNicola The Whitewolf of Imrryr http://www.elric.net Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are from my dog. Any liabilities fall to the dog. From C Lance Moxley Fri Nov 12 17:42:02 2004 From: C Lance Moxley (C Lance Moxley) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:42:02 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? In-Reply-To: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> References: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:03:36 -0600 (CST), Brent DiNicola wrote: > I mirror my updates with rsync and I haven't seen any updates on various > packages that RH has updated. Am I missing this because of my rsync not > updating or has John not done anything recently? I have bounced off a few > of the mirrors and still get no updates. You're not alone. This is starting to be a concern. I'd gladly help compile the SPRMS if we had a structure in place to push things out to the mirrors. -- C Lance Moxley http://moxley.champaign.il.us:61821/ From jean.lee@free.fr Fri Nov 12 17:47:49 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:47:49 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions Message-ID: <4194F745.2040404@free.fr> Hello all, I am using WinSCP to access a remote SSH server. When I want to create a directory on the remote WBEL box, the default permissions are 755. Is it possible to modify this to 770? I searched in the manual for sshd_config but didn't find any help. Thanks for any answer. Jean From lists@ehome.net Fri Nov 12 18:01:30 2004 From: lists@ehome.net (eLists) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:01:30 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Can I force a YUM upgrade/update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I recently setup a Whitebox server with Webmin. While performing the YUM update to install all new packages/updates my internet connection apparently got interrupted. As a result the updates did not complete. Is there a way I can force the update to either start over or complete? The server is now in a data center (I didn't notice the problem at first), so being able to do this remotely would be very helpful. Otherwise a trip down there would be required. Thanks for any help/pointers on how to fix this. Dale From vickir@beau.org Sat Nov 13 02:22:46 2004 From: vickir@beau.org (Vicki Reeves) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:22:46 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? In-Reply-To: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> References: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> Message-ID: <1100312566.4130.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:03, Brent DiNicola wrote: > I mirror my updates with rsync and I haven't seen any updates on various > packages that RH has updated. Am I missing this because of my rsync not > updating or has John not done anything recently? I have bounced off a few > of the mirrors and still get no updates. This has turned out to be a very busy time for us here at the library. So far there have been no updates that we thought couldn't wait for a little while. If that changes, we'll switch priorities. -- Vicki Reeves, Info Tech Dept http://beau.org/~vickir Beauregard Parish Library http://library.beau.org 205 South Washington Ave, DeRidder, LA 70634 (337)463-6217 In a world with no borders or fences, who needs gates & windows? Powered by WhiteBox Enterprise Linux http://whiteboxlinux.org From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Sat Nov 13 08:58:11 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:58:11 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions In-Reply-To: <4194F745.2040404@free.fr> References: <4194F745.2040404@free.fr> Message-ID: <4195CCA3.7000901@platypus.bc.ca> Jean, Maybe setting the umask for the user would help. 007 ? - bish. Jean Lee wrote: > Hello all, > > I am using WinSCP to access a remote SSH server. When I want to create a > directory on the remote WBEL box, the default permissions are 755. > > Is it possible to modify this to 770? I searched in the manual for > sshd_config but didn't find any help. > > Thanks for any answer. > > Jean From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Sat Nov 13 09:04:43 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:04:43 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? In-Reply-To: References: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> Message-ID: <4195CE2B.7030209@platypus.bc.ca> Sign me up too! Hmm. Sounds like we could quickly gear ourselves up for a Fedora-like effort, here. I think we need a BZ and a Wiki, at least, for coordination, and some kind of test procedure. Ugh. Then we're into the untested/tested/blessed kind of RPM sets, promotion, all that. That's a lot of extra time, if Mr Morris and Ms Reeves agree to such a plan. Just as long as it prevents a Fork, I'm happy. - bish C Lance Moxley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:03:36 -0600 (CST), Brent DiNicola > wrote: > >>I mirror my updates with rsync and I haven't seen any updates on various >>packages that RH has updated. Am I missing this because of my rsync not >>updating or has John not done anything recently? I have bounced off a few >>of the mirrors and still get no updates. > > You're not alone. This is starting to be a concern. I'd gladly help > compile the SPRMS if we had a structure in place to push things out to > the mirrors. -- From bishop@platypus.bc.ca Sat Nov 13 09:15:55 2004 From: bishop@platypus.bc.ca (bishop) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:15:55 -0800 Subject: openssh 3.9-1 + chroot - was Re: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <4192295C.7080506@free.fr> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> <419111B3.3000909@platypus.bc.ca> <4192295C.7080506@free.fr> Message-ID: <4195D0CB.7020507@platypus.bc.ca> Jean, Do you do the setup on the sftp-server shell? I thought that one does it on the user's homedir: moduser -d /home/bishop/./ No? If 'path-to-chroot' is, for example, /var/chroot/, then did you mkdir -p /var/chroot/usr/kerberos/lib and cp -a /usr/kerberos/lib/{some,libs} to /var/chroot/usr/kerberos/lib ? I think that is what you have to do. Unfortunately, I don't have any experience with that software; I just know how to package it. :-) Like I said, I use scponly(.sf.net) for my login shells, and it provides just enough security. - bish Jean Lee wrote: > Hi bishop, > > OK I tried your rpms. The installation is OK and I succeed to create a > jail which works for ssh. > I follow the manual which is available here : > > http://www.netadmintools.com/art294.html > > The problem is that it doesn't work with sftp-server. > > > During the creation of the chroot environnement, I made a copy of > /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server to > "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server > then : > cd "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/ > ldd sftp-server > > The output gives some libraries which I copied into the correct folders. > > When I tried : sftp jean@ServeurLinux > I am asked for a password and then I have an error saying me that a > library related to kerberos is not found. > I verified and this library is at the place which is telled by ldd (+the > "path-to-chroot")...... > > It is related to this kerberos library because I tried to supress > libz.so.1 (which is also needed by sftp-server) and the error message > was then that it didn't find libz.so.1. I suppose so than when this > library is well placed, sftp-server can find it. > > Do you have any idea why sftp-server doesn't find this kerberos library ? > > Thank you for your support. > > Jean > > bishop wrote: > >> >> Hey Jean, >> >> The SRPM (Source RPM) contains the necessary code to build RPMs. It's >> really just a cpio of the tar.gz, some diffs and a build script (.spec). >> >> Building the RPMs is done with >> rpm -i openssh.src.rpm >> rpmbuild -ba openssh.spec >> >> Here's the current patch for the spec file to integrate the chroot diff: >> >>> --- /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec~ 2004-11-09 >>> 03:35:49.000000000 -0800 >>> +++ /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec 2004-11-09 10:15:59.000000000 >>> -0800 >>> @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ >>> %if %{rescue} >>> Release: %{rel}rescue >>> %else >>> -Release: %{rel} >>> +Release: %{rel}%{?_with_chroot:chroot} >>> %endif >>> URL: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html >>> Source0: >>> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-%{version}.tar.gz >>> >>> @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ >>> Patch4: openssh-3.9p1-skip-initial.patch >>> Patch11: >>> http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/patches/openssh-3.6.1p2-gssapi-20030430.diff >>> >>> Patch12: openssh-selinux.patch >>> +Patch15: >>> http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-3.6.1.diff >>> License: BSD >>> Group: Applications/Internet >>> BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot >>> @@ -150,6 +150,7 @@ >>> %if ! %{build6x} >>> Requires: /etc/pam.d/system-auth >>> %endif >>> +%{?_with_chroot:Provides: ssh-server-chroot} >>> >>> %package askpass >>> Summary: A passphrase dialog for OpenSSH and X. >>> @@ -226,6 +227,10 @@ >>> %patch12 -p1 -b .selinux >>> %endif >>> >>> +%if %{?_with_chroot:1}%{?!_with_chroot:0}%{?commentish:These >>> constructs suck} >>> +%patch15 -p1 -b .chroot >>> +%endif >>> + >>> %build >>> CFLAGS="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"; export CFLAGS >>> %if %{rescue} >> >> >> >> (yes, I hate line 89 too) >> >> Okay, I'm in my meeting now, so I can't test/examine the RPMs at all, >> but if you want to test something, grab these: >> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm >>> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-clients-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-server-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>> >>> Wrote: >>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>> >> >> >> >> They may work. I have them here (but get the right ones!) : >> >> http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/ >> http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/ >> >> I'll examine the RPM later today, as I mentioned. >> >> To examine all the changes I've made to the SRPMS: >> install one SRPM >> move the dirname away (`mv RPM{,1}`) >> install the other SRPM >> compare them: >> diff -uNr --exclude-from=openssh3.*gz RPM{1,} >> >> I can send these diffs to you if you are interested. >> >> - bish >> >> Jean Lee wrote: >> >>> Well, I really made something wrong. >>> >>> I was on the openssh website and didn't find the tar.gz files for >>> openssh-client, openssh-server, openssh-askpass and >>> openssh-askpass-gnome. :) sorry, I'm a newbie. >>> Bishop, how did you do to produce these files ? Is it something with >>> this srpms file? >>> If the rpm files are produced by the srpms one. How can I apply a >>> patch to the tar.gz file and then create the srpms file from this >>> patched tar.gz file and then finally obtain my rpm files? >>> >>> What do I have installed (Installation explained in my previous mail)? >>> >>> Thank you for your answers because I think that I'm a bit lost. >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> Jean Lee wrote: >>> >>>> Thank to all of you for your great help. >>>> This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, >>>> >>>> I have created an rpm of the patched openssh >>>> (openssh-3.9p1-chroot.tar.gz) with the checkinstall binary. I called >>>> it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically installed >>>> it. >>>> I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want to >>>> brake some dependencies. >>>> >>>> When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 >>>> but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following >>>> return : >>>> >>>> error: Failed dependencies : >>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>> openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>> openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>> openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>> openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>> >>>> Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : >>>> /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . >>>> It doesn't seem to be very good.. >>>> >>>> I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard openssh-3.9p1 >>>> and see what will come..... >>>> >>>> Jean >>>> >>>> Randy Kelsoe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jean Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know >>>>>> how to do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>>>>> installed as an rpm package and then install openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>>>>> which is a tarball (it is a patched version of Openssh-3.9p1 with >>>>>> added chroot functionnality). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the checkinstall >>>>> package and install it. Then you can untar the openssh-3.9p1-chroot >>>>> package, do your './configure', then 'make' and then instead of >>>>> doing your normal 'make install', run 'checkinstall' which will >>>>> create and install an RPM package for you. That way, if you have >>>>> problems with the new package, you can remove it with the 'rpm -e' >>>>> command. When you need to upgrade the package, it will be a lot >>>>> easier to let rpm do the upgrade and keep track of the files. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>>>>> rpm -e openssh >>>>>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>>>>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related >>>>>> to openssh... >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can >>>>>> firstly uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one with >>>>>> netdump is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to >>>>>> uninstall openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to >>>>>> netdump-server. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every package >>>>>> which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is there >>>>>> another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method >>>>> above first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, you >>>>> can rpm -e more than one package at a time: >>>>> >>>>> rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump >>>>> >>>>> yum is also handy for this: >>>>> >>>>> yum remove packagename >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any help, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jean >>>>> >>>>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Rooseveldt, 1918 From jjma100@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 13 11:38:44 2004 From: jjma100@yahoo.co.uk (Jon) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:38:44 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid software References: <20041112180001.19458.61284.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <007f01c4c975$555866f0$3d3ea851@laptop> Hello I am running WB 3.0 respin 1 in a raid 5 configuration using an onboard adaptec raid 2005s card. The software doesn;t have drivers for the latest RHEN versions so I was wondering if someone could suggest alternative raid monitor software monitors? Thanks in advance. Jon From nozy@mozysswamp.org Mon Nov 15 00:07:31 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:07:31 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] ROOTKIT checking software In-Reply-To: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> References: <000801c4c7dd$a1a213b0$4100a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <1100477251.5642.16.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-OIoTQjV7yRwJ8oWi93iL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Denis this maybe to late but dags network has a good root kit tester http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:53, Denis Croombs wrote: > I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems (RH9.0) and need to > check that they have not been rootkit'd (for my own piece of mind) anybody > had experience of good toolkits for finding out of a system has been > compromised ? > > That is before I prepare a plan to change them to Whitebox over the coming > weeks/months. > > Thanks > > Denis > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-OIoTQjV7yRwJ8oWi93iL Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Denis
        this maybe to late but dags network has a good root kit tester

http://dag.wieers.com/packages/


On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 21:53, Denis Croombs wrote:
I have just taken over admin for approx 20 Linux systems (RH9.0) and need to 
check that they have not been rootkit'd (for my own piece of mind) anybody 
had experience of good toolkits for finding out of a system has been 
compromised ?

That is before I prepare a plan to change them to Whitebox over the coming 
weeks/months.

Thanks

Denis 

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--=-OIoTQjV7yRwJ8oWi93iL-- From jean.lee@free.fr Mon Nov 15 08:55:17 2004 From: jean.lee@free.fr (Jean Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:55:17 +0100 Subject: openssh 3.9-1 + chroot - was Re: [WBEL-users] How to uninstall an rpm package which has dependencies? In-Reply-To: <4195D0CB.7020507@platypus.bc.ca> References: <41908458.2020606@free.fr> <4190D602.90708@swbell.net> <4191014C.4080801@free.fr> <419109BD.3040806@free.fr> <419111B3.3000909@platypus.bc.ca> <4192295C.7080506@free.fr> <4195D0CB.7020507@platypus.bc.ca> Message-ID: <41986EF5.6090808@free.fr> Hi bishop, Thank you for your answer. It was not the setup of the home directory because ssh ( which works with bash) works fine. It was only sftp which had a problem to find a library. As I didn't find the answer, I tried with Jail which is a binary that chroots a user during the login (and is not ssh dependant). I had the same problem. ssh worked fine but sftp didn't want to start. To import a binary in a chrooted environnement, we have to copy the binary then execute ldd to this binary to find the correct libraries to import. Well, for sftp, I have to import the sftp-server binary then the associated libraries and I'm sure that I've done it correctly with your Openssh version and Jail. The problem is that we need to import another library which is /etc/ld.so.cache and which is not returned by the ldd function. I found it on the Jail mailing list. I don't know what this library provides but now, it works fine with Jail. I didn't have the time to test this solution with your Openssh version but I'm quite sure that this was the same problem and that it should work with this library (/etc/ld.so.cache). If I have the time, I will try soon. Thanks a lot for all your help. It was really a good job and without you, I wouldn't have succeed so fast. I have another question (if you have the time) for my experience : How did you do to start from the official Openssh tarball (Openssh-3.9p1.tar.gz) and the chroot patch (osshChroot-3.9p1.diff) to recreate the patched srpms (Openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm) which can give the patched rpms? You made it so fast..... It is very interesting : Can you give me the general steps that you followed ? I would like to be able to do it by myself. Thank you one more time. Jean bishop wrote: > Jean, > > Do you do the setup on the sftp-server shell? I thought that one does > it on the user's homedir: > > moduser -d /home/bishop/./ > > No? > > If 'path-to-chroot' is, for example, /var/chroot/, then did you mkdir > -p /var/chroot/usr/kerberos/lib and cp -a > /usr/kerberos/lib/{some,libs} to /var/chroot/usr/kerberos/lib ? I > think that is what you have to do. > > Unfortunately, I don't have any experience with that software; I just > know how to package it. :-) Like I said, I use scponly(.sf.net) for > my login shells, and it provides just enough security. > > - bish > > Jean Lee wrote: > >> Hi bishop, >> >> OK I tried your rpms. The installation is OK and I succeed to create >> a jail which works for ssh. >> I follow the manual which is available here : >> >> http://www.netadmintools.com/art294.html >> >> The problem is that it doesn't work with sftp-server. >> >> >> During the creation of the chroot environnement, I made a copy of >> /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server to >> "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server >> then : >> cd "path-to-chroot"/./usr/libexec/openssh/ >> ldd sftp-server >> >> The output gives some libraries which I copied into the correct folders. >> >> When I tried : sftp jean@ServeurLinux >> I am asked for a password and then I have an error saying me that a >> library related to kerberos is not found. >> I verified and this library is at the place which is telled by ldd >> (+the "path-to-chroot")...... >> >> It is related to this kerberos library because I tried to supress >> libz.so.1 (which is also needed by sftp-server) and the error message >> was then that it didn't find libz.so.1. I suppose so than when this >> library is well placed, sftp-server can find it. >> >> Do you have any idea why sftp-server doesn't find this kerberos >> library ? >> >> Thank you for your support. >> >> Jean >> >> bishop wrote: >> >>> >>> Hey Jean, >>> >>> The SRPM (Source RPM) contains the necessary code to build RPMs. >>> It's really just a cpio of the tar.gz, some diffs and a build script >>> (.spec). >>> >>> Building the RPMs is done with >>> rpm -i openssh.src.rpm >>> rpmbuild -ba openssh.spec >>> >>> Here's the current patch for the spec file to integrate the chroot >>> diff: >>> >>>> --- /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec~ 2004-11-09 >>>> 03:35:49.000000000 -0800 >>>> +++ /home/bishop/RPM/SPECS/openssh.spec 2004-11-09 >>>> 10:15:59.000000000 -0800 >>>> @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ >>>> %if %{rescue} >>>> Release: %{rel}rescue >>>> %else >>>> -Release: %{rel} >>>> +Release: %{rel}%{?_with_chroot:chroot} >>>> %endif >>>> URL: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html >>>> Source0: >>>> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-%{version}.tar.gz >>>> >>>> @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ >>>> Patch4: openssh-3.9p1-skip-initial.patch >>>> Patch11: >>>> http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/patches/openssh-3.6.1p2-gssapi-20030430.diff >>>> >>>> Patch12: openssh-selinux.patch >>>> +Patch15: >>>> http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/download/osshChroot-3.6.1.diff >>>> License: BSD >>>> Group: Applications/Internet >>>> BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot >>>> @@ -150,6 +150,7 @@ >>>> %if ! %{build6x} >>>> Requires: /etc/pam.d/system-auth >>>> %endif >>>> +%{?_with_chroot:Provides: ssh-server-chroot} >>>> >>>> %package askpass >>>> Summary: A passphrase dialog for OpenSSH and X. >>>> @@ -226,6 +227,10 @@ >>>> %patch12 -p1 -b .selinux >>>> %endif >>>> >>>> +%if %{?_with_chroot:1}%{?!_with_chroot:0}%{?commentish:These >>>> constructs suck} >>>> +%patch15 -p1 -b .chroot >>>> +%endif >>>> + >>>> %build >>>> CFLAGS="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"; export CFLAGS >>>> %if %{rescue} >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> (yes, I hate line 89 too) >>> >>> Okay, I'm in my meeting now, so I can't test/examine the RPMs at >>> all, but if you want to test something, grab these: >>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.src.rpm >>>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-clients-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-server-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>>> >>>> Wrote: >>>> /home/bishop/public_html/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.9p1-1chroot.i386.rpm >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> They may work. I have them here (but get the right ones!) : >>> >>> http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/RPMS.extras/ >>> http://apt.platypus.bc.ca/~bis hop/apt/i386/wb30/SRPMS.extras/ >>> >>> I'll examine the RPM later today, as I mentioned. >>> >>> To examine all the changes I've made to the SRPMS: >>> install one SRPM >>> move the dirname away (`mv RPM{,1}`) >>> install the other SRPM >>> compare them: >>> diff -uNr --exclude-from=openssh3.*gz RPM{1,} >>> >>> I can send these diffs to you if you are interested. >>> >>> - bish >>> >>> Jean Lee wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I really made something wrong. >>>> >>>> I was on the openssh website and didn't find the tar.gz files for >>>> openssh-client, openssh-server, openssh-askpass and >>>> openssh-askpass-gnome. :) sorry, I'm a newbie. >>>> Bishop, how did you do to produce these files ? Is it something >>>> with this srpms file? >>>> If the rpm files are produced by the srpms one. How can I apply a >>>> patch to the tar.gz file and then create the srpms file from this >>>> patched tar.gz file and then finally obtain my rpm files? >>>> >>>> What do I have installed (Installation explained in my previous >>>> mail)? >>>> >>>> Thank you for your answers because I think that I'm a bit lost. >>>> >>>> Jean >>>> >>>> Jean Lee wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank to all of you for your great help. >>>>> This mail is just to give a back and keep a trace, >>>>> >>>>> I have created an rpm of the patched openssh >>>>> (openssh-3.9p1-chroot.tar.gz) with the checkinstall binary. I >>>>> called it openssh-3.9p1-1.i386.rpm and checkinstall automatically >>>>> installed it. >>>>> I didn't do a 'yum remove openssh-3.6.1p2' because I didn't want >>>>> to brake some dependencies. >>>>> >>>>> When I type 'rpm -q openssh', I have a good return : openssh-3.9p1-1 >>>>> but if I try to erase it 'rpm -e openssh', I have the following >>>>> return : >>>>> >>>>> error: Failed dependencies : >>>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>>> openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>>> openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>>> openssh-client-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>>> openssh = 3.6.1p2-33.30.1 is needed by (installed) >>>>> openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.1 >>>>> >>>>> Another thing : If I type 'whereis sshd', the return is : >>>>> /usr/sbin/sshd and /usr/local/sbin/sshd . >>>>> It doesn't seem to be very good.. >>>>> >>>>> I will try now to upgrade these 4 tools with standard >>>>> openssh-3.9p1 and see what will come..... >>>>> >>>>> Jean >>>>> >>>>> Randy Kelsoe wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jean Lee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that what I want is not so hard but I really don't know >>>>>>> how to do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My problem is that I want to unintsall openssh-3.6.1p2 which is >>>>>>> installed as an rpm package and then install >>>>>>> openssh-3.9p1-chroot which is a tarball (it is a patched version >>>>>>> of Openssh-3.9p1 with added chroot functionnality). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suggested in a previous thread of yours, get the >>>>>> checkinstall package and install it. Then you can untar the >>>>>> openssh-3.9p1-chroot package, do your './configure', then 'make' >>>>>> and then instead of doing your normal 'make install', run >>>>>> 'checkinstall' which will create and install an RPM package for >>>>>> you. That way, if you have problems with the new package, you can >>>>>> remove it with the 'rpm -e' command. When you need to upgrade the >>>>>> package, it will be a lot easier to let rpm do the upgrade and >>>>>> keep track of the files. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I tried first to uninstall openssh-3.6.1p2 with : >>>>>>> rpm -e openssh >>>>>>> and this command failed due to dependencies to other packages : >>>>>>> openssh-server, openssh-client, netdump and a few others related >>>>>>> to openssh... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure that I am doing something wrong. Perhaps that I can >>>>>>> firstly uninstall the packages related to openssh but the one >>>>>>> with netdump is probably not recommended.. Moreover, I tried to >>>>>>> uninstall openssh-server and it failed due to a dependency to >>>>>>> netdump-server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the right way? Do I have really to uninstall every >>>>>>> package which has a dependency before uninstalling openssh or is >>>>>>> there another way which ensure that nothing will be broken? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In your case, I would recommend trying the checkinstall method >>>>>> above first. If you really want to get rid of the dependencies, >>>>>> you can rpm -e more than one package at a time: >>>>>> >>>>>> rpm -e openssh openssh-server openssh-client netdump >>>>>> >>>>>> yum is also handy for this: >>>>>> >>>>>> yum remove packagename >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any help, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From Ian Harper Mon Nov 15 11:26:00 2004 From: Ian Harper (Ian Harper) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:26:00 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Whitebox on Dell Inspiron 5000e Message-ID: When I try to instll it it starts up but somewhere around the point of running /sbin/loader I get a kernel panic and it crashes. has anyone any ideas/things I could try ? Thanks Ian From dpandori@nycap.rr.com Mon Nov 15 12:40:40 2004 From: dpandori@nycap.rr.com (Don Pandori) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:40:40 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Sun's LDAP server on WBEL Message-ID: <20041115123841.M35525@ltionline.com> Hi, Has anyone had any luck or tried to get Sun's LDAP server to run on WBEL? Thanks. Don From Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com Mon Nov 15 14:40:26 2004 From: Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com (Vincent.Raffensberger@dtn.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:40:26 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid software In-Reply-To: <007f01c4c975$555866f0$3d3ea851@laptop> Message-ID: Did you try "dptapps-static-3.1.24-1.i386.rpm" from Adaptec yet? "Jon" Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/13/2004 05:38 AM To cc Subject [WBEL-users] Raid software Hello I am running WB 3.0 respin 1 in a raid 5 configuration using an onboard adaptec raid 2005s card. The software doesn;t have drivers for the latest RHEN versions so I was wondering if someone could suggest alternative raid monitor software monitors? Thanks in advance. Jon _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From Benjamin J. Weiss" Howdy, y'all! :) I'm trying to write a script that can be run on new WBEL installations that will turn the box into an email server with anti-virus, spam, TLS, etc. Anyway, I'm using sed to change the configuration files, and I'm running into a problem. (Note that this is the first time I've used sed for anything). I'm trying to use sed to append Dag Wieer's repo to the /etc/yum.conf file. Everything works great except the final expression. The two before it work fine, where I'm using single quotes for the append command. However, I want to use a shell variable in the final expressin, so I'm using double quotes. I've read the sed chapter in "Linux in a Nutshell" and googled and read other sites, but I can't seem to figure this one out. The relevant parts of the script are as follows: -------------- YUM_BASE=http://cassandra/whitebox_mirror/\$releasever/en/os/\$basearch/ YUM_UPDATES=http://cassandra/whitebox_mirror/\$releasever/en/updates/ YUM_DAG=http://cassandra/whitebox_mirror/dag/ # Set up Yum to hit a local repository. I'm including Dag Wieer's # repo becuase he maintains packages that otherwise we'd have to compile # and maintain ourselves. mv /etc/yum.conf /etc/yum.conf.000 sed -e '/http:/s/\(.*\)/#\1/' \ -e '/ftp:/s/\(.*\)/#\1/' \ -e "/Base/abaseurl=$YUM_BASE" \ -e "/Updates/abaseurl=$YUM_UPDATES" \ -e '$a\[dag]' \ -e '$a\name=Dag Wieers Repo' \ -e "$a\baseurl=$YUM_DAG" \ /etc/yum.conf.000 > /etc/yum.conf -------------- Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Ben From kbohling@birddog.com Mon Nov 15 16:43:22 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:43:22 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need some help with sed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041115164320.GF14193@hawk.birddog.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:35:24AM -0600, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > Howdy, y'all! :) > > -e "$a\baseurl=$YUM_DAG" \ My guess is that the shell is attempting to expand "$a" as a variable. You need to do something like "\$a\baseurl=$YUM_DAG". Kirby From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:35:24AM -0600, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > > Howdy, y'all! :) > > > > > -e "$a\baseurl=$YUM_DAG" \ > > My guess is that the shell is attempting to expand "$a" as a > variable. You need to do something like "\$a\baseurl=$YUM_DAG". > > Kirby Oh, brother. Yep, that was it! Jeez, I hate it when I miss something simple like that. Thanks! When I'm done with thing (hopefully this weekend, so that I can install my new server at home) I'll make it available. I think it should help those who are just trying to set up a server without spending weeks learning all of the in's and out's. Thanks again! Ben From gmills@rdinstruments.com Mon Nov 15 18:01:05 2004 From: gmills@rdinstruments.com (Grant Mills) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:01:05 -0800 Subject: FW: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions Message-ID: All, Apologies, I forgot to hit the reply to all, when I sent this out. =============================================================== Grant Mills > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Mills > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:31 AM > To: 'Jean Lee' > Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > Jean, > That's done in WinSCP. At the login screen, select > Preferences from the tree. Then hit the Preferences Button. > Then select Transfer from the new tree. There is an Upload > Options Group box that will allow you to set the permissions. > > =============================================================== > Grant Mills > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Jean Lee > > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:48 AM > > To: whitebox > > Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am using WinSCP to access a remote SSH server. When I want > > to create a > > directory on the remote WBEL box, the default permissions are 755. > > > > Is it possible to modify this to 770? I searched in the manual for > > sshd_config but didn't find any help. > > > > Thanks for any answer. > > > > Jean > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > From lowen@pari.edu Mon Nov 15 19:02:26 2004 From: lowen@pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:02:26 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? In-Reply-To: <4195CE2B.7030209@platypus.bc.ca> References: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> <4195CE2B.7030209@platypus.bc.ca> Message-ID: <200411151402.26851.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 13 November 2004 04:04, bishop wrote: > Hmm. Sounds like we could quickly gear ourselves up for a Fedora-like > effort, here. I think we need a BZ and a Wiki, at least, for > coordination, and some kind of test procedure. Understand that John Morris did this primarily to benefit the library. He released it out of good will. He has made it fairly clear in times past that he intends to maintain it *for the library* first and foremost, and that the results will continue to be publicly available. But, no, this is not a team effort, really. Search the archives of this list to see more. If you can't deal with that, well, there are other RHEL3 from-source-clones out there, like FermiLab's Scientific Linux or cAos' CentOS. Or Tao, or.... well, there's a bunch. Or do it yourself and put up an RHEL3 compatible repository like Dag does. Since other projects are handling those logistics already, and since John hasn't been in the past willing to do this (which is his right), then you can either join another project or just wait on John. Of course, John may decide to change his mind. But, like I said, understand that WhiteBox Linux is not a community project; it is the fruits of a library's internal IT project released to the public, which is a completely different animal. And the way John is doing things works for me at the moment, for at least some servers I run. I certainly would rather wait for a 'blessed' RPM from beau.org than use a third-party's RPM regardless of how quickly it is released. John has done remarkably well in keeping up with updates. And, well, the fact of the matter is that if he had fallen too far behind I would have put something else on those servers by now. Push comes to shove I am capable of downloading the RHEL3 source RPMs and rebuilding them myself if need be. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From gmills@rdinstruments.com Mon Nov 15 19:10:45 2004 From: gmills@rdinstruments.com (Grant Mills) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:10:45 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions Message-ID: All, Scratch that. It didn't work. I should have tested that before shooting my mouth off. The WinSCP Website seemed to concur with my statements though. =============================================================== Grant Mills > -----Original Message----- > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Grant Mills > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:01 AM > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: FW: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > All, > Apologies, I forgot to hit the reply to all, when I sent this > out. > > =============================================================== > Grant Mills > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant Mills > > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:31 AM > > To: 'Jean Lee' > > Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > > > > Jean, > > That's done in WinSCP. At the login screen, select > > Preferences from the tree. Then hit the Preferences Button. > > Then select Transfer from the new tree. There is an Upload > > Options Group box that will allow you to set the permissions. > > > > =============================================================== > > Grant Mills > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > > > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Jean Lee > > > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:48 AM > > > To: whitebox > > > Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I am using WinSCP to access a remote SSH server. When I want > > > to create a > > > directory on the remote WBEL box, the default permissions are 755. > > > > > > Is it possible to modify this to 770? I searched in the > manual for > > > sshd_config but didn't find any help. > > > > > > Thanks for any answer. > > > > > > Jean > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From weeboy@conorwynne.com Mon Nov 15 19:58:42 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:58:42 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100548722.8016.3.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-vf+cN47w4rjd8AYiFKTU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 19:10, Grant Mills wrote: > All, > Scratch that. It didn't work. I should have tested that before > shooting my mouth off. > The WinSCP Website seemed to concur with my statements though. The solution is to set the umask in the users home directory=20 -> .bashrc for example. Or globally in /etc/profile > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Grant Mills >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org=20 > > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Grant Mills > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:01 AM > > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > > Subject: FW: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > >=20 > >=20 > > All, > > Apologies, I forgot to hit the reply to all, when I sent this > > out. > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Grant Mills > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Grant Mills=20 > > > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:31 AM > > > To: 'Jean Lee' > > > Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Jean, > > > That's done in WinSCP. At the login screen, select=20 > > > Preferences from the tree. Then hit the Preferences Button. =20 > > > Then select Transfer from the new tree. There is an Upload=20 > > > Options Group box that will allow you to set the permissions. > > >=20 > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > Grant Mills > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org=20 > > > > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Jean Lee > > > > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:48 AM > > > > To: whitebox > > > > Subject: [WBEL-users] SSH default permissions > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hello all, > > > >=20 > > > > I am using WinSCP to access a remote SSH server. When I want=20 > > > > to create a=20 > > > > directory on the remote WBEL box, the default permissions are 755. > > > >=20 > > > > Is it possible to modify this to 770? I searched in the=20 > > manual for=20 > > > > sshd_config but didn't find any help. > > > >=20 > > > > Thanks for any answer. > > > >=20 > > > > Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-vf+cN47w4rjd8AYiFKTU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBmQpyTlURc8L++sIRAkNOAKCL7myIEVceofvATbQbMDEvdWTEuQCfeX91 KkZfRP/lxHe0m3AyCtUjK7M= =vzcb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vf+cN47w4rjd8AYiFKTU-- From rcortes@placevendome.cl Mon Nov 15 20:06:12 2004 From: rcortes@placevendome.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Cort=E9s?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:06:12 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel Message-ID: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F672@deimos.placevendome.cl> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB4E.8E14FAE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have one problem. =20 =20 First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect = four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to = 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu =BF?=BF? =20 Next install kernel smp, reboot, choice.. boot.....error loading = scsi_mod, same for 2.4.21-15 smp. =20 =20 Some idea ?? =20 =20 Rodrigo Cortes. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB4E.8E14FAE6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, I have one problem.

 

 

First install x86_64 version with default kernel = 2.4.21-15 and detect four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade = kernel to 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu =BF?=BF?

 

Next install kernel smp, reboot, choice.. = boot…..error loading scsi_mod, same for 2.4.21-15 smp.

 

 

Some idea ??

 

 

Rodrigo Cortes.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4CB4E.8E14FAE6-- From rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx Mon Nov 15 20:27:07 2004 From: rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx (Rafael Baquero S.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:27:07 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates..? In-Reply-To: <1100312566.4130.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1387.66.219.50.70.1100279016.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> <1100312566.4130.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411151427.07727.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> Hi Vicki. And how about accepting some help? From the posts in the mailing lists I think there are many people (myself included) willing to compile SRPMs, it would probably only require some coordination in order to avoid several people compiling the same packages while other packages remain unavailable. Anyways if I can be of assistance I would be more than happy to compile some packages and upload them somewhere. Regards. Rafael. On Friday 12 November 2004 20:22, Vicki Reeves wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:03, Brent DiNicola wrote: > > I mirror my updates with rsync and I haven't seen any updates on various > > packages that RH has updated. Am I missing this because of my rsync not > > updating or has John not done anything recently? I have bounced off a > > few of the mirrors and still get no updates. > > This has turned out to be a very busy time for us here at the library. > So far there have been no updates that we thought couldn't wait for a > little while. If that changes, we'll switch priorities. From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Mon Nov 15 20:30:24 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:30:24 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel In-Reply-To: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F672@deimos.placevendome.cl> References: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F672@deimos.placevendome.cl> Message-ID: <1100550624.5371.53.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 17:06 -0300, Rodrigo CortĆ©s wrote: > Hi, I have one problem. > > > > > > First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect > four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to > 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu Āæ?Āæ? > I don't think x86_64 is the correct arch for P4 Xeon processors. You should be using i686 kernel. X86_64 is used for the AMD64 processor. You should also be using the smp kernel. So your kernel should be: kernel-smp-2.4.21-20.EL.i686.rpm > > > Next install kernel smp, reboot, choice.. boot…..error loading > scsi_mod, same for 2.4.21-15 smp. > > > > > > Some idea ?? > > > > > > Rodrigo Cortes. > > From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Mon Nov 15 20:53:04 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:53:04 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel In-Reply-To: <1100550624.5371.53.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F672@deimos.placevendome.cl> <1100550624.5371.53.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <1100551984.5371.61.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 14:30 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect > > four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to > > 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu æ?æ? > > > I don't think x86_64 is the correct arch for P4 Xeon processors. You > should be using i686 kernel. X86_64 is used for the AMD64 processor. > You should also be using the smp kernel. So your kernel should be: > > kernel-smp-2.4.21-20.EL.i686.rpm I may have been incorrect ... IF you have the EM64T Xeon Processor 2.8Ghz processor (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/pentium4/index.htm) you should be using the x86_64 ... if you have the nonEM64T Xeon (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+xeon512kb&), you should use i686. From rcortes@placevendome.cl Mon Nov 15 21:42:33 2004 From: rcortes@placevendome.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Cort=E9s?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:42:33 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel Message-ID: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F7F6@deimos.placevendome.cl> I have EMT64T Xeon Processor. Dell 1850 include this xeon. -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de Johnny Hughes Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 17:53 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: Re: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 14:30 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect > > four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to > > 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu æ?æ? > > > I don't think x86_64 is the correct arch for P4 Xeon processors. You > should be using i686 kernel. X86_64 is used for the AMD64 processor. > You should also be using the smp kernel. So your kernel should be: > > kernel-smp-2.4.21-20.EL.i686.rpm I may have been incorrect ... IF you have the EM64T Xeon Processor 2.8Ghz processor (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/pentium4/index.htm) you should be using the x86_64 ... if you have the nonEM64T Xeon (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+xeon512kb&), you should use i686. _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From rcortes@placevendome.cl Mon Nov 15 21:56:21 2004 From: rcortes@placevendome.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Cort=E9s?=) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:56:21 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel Message-ID: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F829@deimos.placevendome.cl> Some idea ? Scsi mod is megaraid2 -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de Rodrigo Cortés Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 18:43 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: RE: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel I have EMT64T Xeon Processor. Dell 1850 include this xeon. -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de Johnny Hughes Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 17:53 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: Re: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 14:30 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect > > four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to > > 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu æ?æ? > > > I don't think x86_64 is the correct arch for P4 Xeon processors. You > should be using i686 kernel. X86_64 is used for the AMD64 processor. > You should also be using the smp kernel. So your kernel should be: > > kernel-smp-2.4.21-20.EL.i686.rpm I may have been incorrect ... IF you have the EM64T Xeon Processor 2.8Ghz processor (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/pentium4/index.htm) you should be using the x86_64 ... if you have the nonEM64T Xeon (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+xeon512kb&), you should use i686. _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From daniel@informatux.dyndns.org Mon Nov 15 22:37:16 2004 From: daniel@informatux.dyndns.org (Daniel Bahena) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:37:16 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL install screenshot Message-ID: <1100558236.2788.1.camel@padawan.informatux.net> Hi Is there any way of getting a screenshot of WBEL while it's install process? I don't get anything of any screen if I press Print Screen key as in Fedora Core ... Any one in here has the entire process in screenshots or any url? I have to put those screenshots in a manual. Somebody? Thanks for your help, best wishes. -- Daniel Bahena Informatux.Net From jaire@preciant.com Mon Nov 15 23:22:08 2004 From: jaire@preciant.com (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:22:08 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL install screenshot In-Reply-To: <1100558236.2788.1.camel@padawan.informatux.net> References: <1100558236.2788.1.camel@padawan.informatux.net> Message-ID: <41993A20.8050809@preciant.com> I use VMware ( http://www.vmware.com ) to get screen shots. You can sign up for a 30 day trial which should hopefully be long enough to get your screenshots. --Jeremy Daniel Bahena wrote: >Hi > >Is there any way of getting a screenshot of WBEL while it's install >process? I don't get anything of any screen if I press Print Screen key >as in Fedora Core ... > >Any one in here has the entire process in screenshots or any url? I have >to put those screenshots in a manual. > >Somebody? > >Thanks for your help, best wishes. > > > > From kbohling@birddog.com Mon Nov 15 23:37:48 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:37:48 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL install screenshot In-Reply-To: <1100558236.2788.1.camel@padawan.informatux.net> References: <1100558236.2788.1.camel@padawan.informatux.net> Message-ID: <20041115233746.GC1880@hawk.birddog.com> On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 04:37:16PM -0600, Daniel Bahena wrote: > Hi > > Is there any way of getting a screenshot of WBEL while it's install > process? I don't get anything of any screen if I press Print Screen key > as in Fedora Core ... > > Any one in here has the entire process in screenshots or any url? I have > to put those screenshots in a manual. > > Somebody? > > Thanks for your help, best wishes. I thought there was a way to do it. I'll point out that you can do a VNC install (never done one, but I remember it being a neato feature I wanted to try when I read about it), and there you should be able to capture screen shots some how. A quick google search reveals this: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6540&limit=no Someone mentions that Ctl-PrintScreen works (no one refutes it that I can see). I don't know if that works or not, just showed up in the first couple of searches I did. I'm not sure if you tried it or not based on saying you tried "PrintScreen". Finally, you can run the installer on a fully operational machine (I've done it, it's a pain, I can figure it out again if you want help). So if you can run capture a screenshot of X directly, you should be able to do that by just running the installer and doing screen shots. [Note, I've never made a screenshot in my life so take all this with a grain of salt, my primary point here is that the installer can be run from a fully operational machine w/ a complete complement of tools]. More digging has turned this up: $ rpm -q -l anaconda-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2 | xargs grep screenshot The most interesting of those is: /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py Searching around, you'll find this bit of code: def handleShiftPrintScrnRelease (window, event): if (event.keyval == gtk.keysyms.Print and event.state & gtk.gdk.SHIFT_MASK): takeScreenShot() That sure looks like you should be able to press "Shift PrintScreen" and get a screen shot. Thanks, Kirby Thanks, Kirby From pablo@ceif.cl Tue Nov 16 02:15:07 2004 From: pablo@ceif.cl (Pablo G.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:15:07 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] problems transfer of zones in Bind!!! Message-ID: <001401c4cb82$183aa4e0$0201a8c0@pepe> Hello list, wanted to know if anybody to registered problems with BIND with slave zones, I cannot update my secondary server, the registries of/var/log/messages report Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: dumping master file: /var/named/tmp-XXXXCY5TkA: open: permission denied Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from 200.71.223.14#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied Nov 15 19:46:11 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from 200.71.223.14#53: end of transfer some idea on as can be the problem? thanks!! -- Pablo Gonzįlez A. From hawk82 Tue Nov 16 03:00:42 2004 From: hawk82 (hawk82) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:00:42 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] problems transfer of zones in Bind!!! In-Reply-To: <001401c4cb82$183aa4e0$0201a8c0@pepe> References: <001401c4cb82$183aa4e0$0201a8c0@pepe> Message-ID: Sounds like a permissions problem. Who owns the /var/named directory? Chown to root.named and that should fix the problem. Josh On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:15:07 -0300, Pablo G. wrote: > Hello list, wanted to know if anybody to registered problems with BIND with > slave zones, I cannot update my secondary server, the registries > of/var/log/messages report > > Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: dumping master file: > /var/named/tmp-XXXXCY5TkA: open: permission denied > Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from > 200.71.223.14#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied > Nov 15 19:46:11 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from > 200.71.223.14#53: end of transfer > > some idea on as can be the problem? > > thanks!! > -- > Pablo Gonzįlez A. > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From rdpitti@globaltecsa.com Tue Nov 16 05:07:46 2004 From: rdpitti@globaltecsa.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Ra=FAl_D=2E_Pitt=ED_Palma=22?=) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:07:46 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] optimize dat tape block size Message-ID: <41998B22.2010709@globaltecsa.com> I am implementing a backup using DAT tapes. my hardware is a Certance DDS5 36/72 GB . Due to the amount of data, we are using 20/40 GB tapes. I am currently using 512 bytes as a block size, and tar to backup the whole data everyday to one tape. The server is a file server for about 80 people, almost all the data is on compressed format natively (desktops running mandrake and using Openoffice since they are a law firm). can I have a performance gain if use other block size ? Regards! RP From weeboy@conorwynne.com Tue Nov 16 07:32:47 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:32:47 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] optimize dat tape block size In-Reply-To: <41998B22.2010709@globaltecsa.com> References: <41998B22.2010709@globaltecsa.com> Message-ID: <1100590367.914.2.camel@charzard> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 05:07, "Raśl D. Pittķ Palma" wrote: > I am implementing a backup using DAT tapes. > my hardware is a Certance DDS5 36/72 GB . > Due to the amount of data, we are using 20/40 GB tapes. > I am currently using 512 bytes as a block size, and tar to backup the > whole data everyday to one tape. > The server is a file server for about 80 people, almost all the data is > on compressed format natively (desktops running mandrake and using > Openoffice since they are a law firm). > can I have a performance gain if use other block size ? Yes. try setting the speed to 1024. If memory serves me corrrectly, the command is - # mt -f /dev/st0 setblk 1024 > Regards! > RP > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- Conor Wynne Dublin Irlande From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 10:23:04 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:23:04 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script Message-ID: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> Hi, I'm rsyncing the updates fro NCSU. It worked till this morning. When I add an extra --exclude option I got the following error: [root@devgnu02 cron.d]# sh whiteboxupdates ============================================================================== Welcome to the NCSU Physics Department install server for the NCSU Realm Kit for Red Hat Linux, Red Hat Linux, and Aurora Sparc Linux. Problems with the NCSU Realm Kit for Red Hat Linux can be reported to bugzilla at http://bugs.linux.ncsu.edu. This server is run by the NCSU Physics Department. For a full list of rsync'able software please run 'rsync ks.physics.ncsu.edu::'. If you have any problems, email with details. ============================================================================== client: nothing to do: perhaps you need to specify some filenames or the --recursive option? rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(636) The script; #!/bin/sh rsync --recursive --delete --exclude=SRPMS --exclude=ia32e mirror.physics.ncsu.edu::whitebox/3.0/en/updates /var/www/html/whitebox/ Is there a problem with ncsu? I added the --recursive optioen (as you can see) but I can not download any update anymore..I removed the openssl update from the i686 folder but it isn't downloaded/rsynced. Does anyone have a clue what is wrong? Thanks in advance. -- Michiel From tom.brown@goodtechnology.com Tue Nov 16 10:43:36 2004 From: tom.brown@goodtechnology.com (Tom Brown) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:43:36 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Which package for libncurses.so.4 Message-ID: <1c1701c4cbc9$207637e0$0401a8c0@tomspc> Hi Which rpm do i need to get this library installed? I'm on respin 1 and am getting this error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4 thanks Tom From tom.brown@goodtechnology.com Tue Nov 16 10:46:41 2004 From: tom.brown@goodtechnology.com (Tom Brown) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:41 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Which package for libncurses.so.4 Message-ID: <1c2e01c4cbc9$8eb5ca40$0401a8c0@tomspc> > Which rpm do i need to get this library installed? I'm on respin 1 and am > getting this > > error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4 Apologies - seems i fixed it with this rpm for 7.3 compat-libs-6.2-3.src.rpm however i had to add this to ld.so.config and run and ldconfig for it to be picked up thanks From Anth Courtney Tue Nov 16 11:20:28 2004 From: Anth Courtney (Anth Courtney) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:20:28 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> Message-ID: Hello Michiel, > Is there a problem with ncsu? It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on ncsu anymore. Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory confirms this: ftp> ls 227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) 150 Here comes the directory listing. drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then it runs without error. cheers, Anth From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 11:28:52 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:28:52 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> Message-ID: <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> Anth Courtney wrote: > Hello Michiel, Hi Anth, > > >>Is there a problem with ncsu? > > > It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on > ncsu anymore. > > Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory > confirms this: > > ftp> ls > 227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) > 150 Here comes the directory listing. > drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras > drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso > drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates > drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os > > If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then > it runs without error. > But where are the updates ? Can yous how me what I have to change in my rsync script? rsync --recursive --delete --exclude=SRPMS --exclude=ia32e mirror.physics.ncsu.edu::whitebox/3.0/en/updates /var/www/html/whitebox/ > cheers, > Anth Thanks for your help. Michiel From aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu Tue Nov 16 12:47:23 2004 From: aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:47:23 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [WBEL-users] problems transfer of zones in Bind!!! In-Reply-To: <001401c4cb82$183aa4e0$0201a8c0@pepe> Message-ID: It looks to me like a problem with file permision. Verify the user bind is run as (probably named) and the file permissions for this user at the /var/named directory. I think this should solve the problem: chown .named /var/named chmod -R g=rwX /var/named --Jesus. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Pablo G. wrote: > Hello list, wanted to know if anybody to registered problems with BIND with > slave zones, I cannot update my secondary server, the registries > of/var/log/messages report > > Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: dumping master file: > /var/named/tmp-XXXXCY5TkA: open: permission denied > Nov 15 19:46:10 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from > 200.71.223.14#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied > Nov 15 19:46:11 ns named[29304]: transfer of 'dominio.cl/IN' from > 200.71.223.14#53: end of transfer > > some idea on as can be the problem? > > thanks!! > -- > Pablo Gonzįlez A. > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > -- > Este mensaje ha sido analizado por el servicio de antivirus > de la UCf, mediante MailScanner y F-prot en busca de virus > y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que esta limpio. > No obstante tome sus propias medidas de seguridad. > -- Jesus Aneiros Sosa GNU/Linux User #190716 perl -e '$_=pack(c5,0105,0107,0123,0132,(1<<3)+2);y[A-Z][N-ZA-M];print;' -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado por el servicio de antivirus de la UCf, mediante MailScanner y F-prot en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que esta limpio. No obstante tome sus propias medidas de seguridad. From aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu Tue Nov 16 12:55:02 2004 From: aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:55:02 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [WBEL-users] problems transfer of zones in Bind!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Jesus Aneiros Sosa wrote: > It looks to me like a problem with file permision. Verify the user bind is > run as (probably named) and the file permissions for this user at the > /var/named directory. > > I think this should solve the problem: > > chown .named /var/named This should be chown -R .named /var/named Sorry, --Jesus. -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado por el servicio de antivirus de la UCf, mediante MailScanner y F-prot en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que esta limpio. No obstante tome sus propias medidas de seguridad. From Anth Courtney Tue Nov 16 12:46:40 2004 From: Anth Courtney (Anth Courtney) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:46:40 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> Message-ID: Hello Michiel, > But where are the updates ? You'd be best emailing pco@pams.ncsu.edu and asking them. However as the updates are available for rc2 - i.e ks.physics.ncsu.edu::whitebox/3.0-RC2/en/updates/ - then it's probable that nscu have decided to stop rsycning the 3.0 updates and are focusing on the 3.0-rc2 branch. > Can yous how me what I have to change in my rsync script? Your script is fine with the --exclude options, except for the fact that the path you've specified at ncsu.edu doesn't exist. You could try changing it to point to whitebox/3.0-RC2/en/updates instead and see how you fare. cheers, Anth From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 12:58:28 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:58:28 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> Message-ID: <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> Anth Courtney wrote: > Hello Michiel, > > >>But where are the updates ? > > > You'd be best emailing pco@pams.ncsu.edu and asking them. I've sent a message :) > > However as the updates are available for rc2 - i.e > ks.physics.ncsu.edu::whitebox/3.0-RC2/en/updates/ - then it's probable > that nscu have decided to stop rsycning the 3.0 updates and are > focusing on the 3.0-rc2 branch. > > >>Can yous how me what I have to change in my rsync script? > > > Your script is fine with the --exclude options, except for the fact > that the path you've specified at ncsu.edu doesn't exist. > > You could try changing it to point to whitebox/3.0-RC2/en/updates > instead and see how you fare. > But why would I use rc2? Isn't that the old release BEFORE the official 3.0 and later 3.0 respin1 release? Anyhow..thanks for your help :) Is there an other way to sync my updates folder with that from an mirror with ftp or something like that? Does anyone have such a script? > cheers, > Anth Michiel From rcortes@placevendome.cl Tue Nov 16 13:01:32 2004 From: rcortes@placevendome.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Cort=E9s?=) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:01:32 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel Message-ID: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F91A@deimos.placevendome.cl> Recompile new kernel in base to source 2.4.21-20 with smp option and HT active with make oldconfig, and have same error :( -----Mensaje original----- De: Rodrigo Cortés Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 18:56 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: RE: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel Some idea ? Scsi mod is megaraid2 -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de Rodrigo Cortés Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 18:43 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: RE: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel I have EMT64T Xeon Processor. Dell 1850 include this xeon. -----Mensaje original----- De: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] En nombre de Johnny Hughes Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Noviembre de 2004 17:53 Para: WhiteBox Users Asunto: Re: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 14:30 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > First install x86_64 version with default kernel 2.4.21-15 and detect > > four CPU. I have one Dell 1850 with 2 Xeon 2.8. Upgrade kernel to > > 2.4.21-20 and only detect one cpu æ?æ? > > > I don't think x86_64 is the correct arch for P4 Xeon processors. You > should be using i686 kernel. X86_64 is used for the AMD64 processor. > You should also be using the smp kernel. So your kernel should be: > > kernel-smp-2.4.21-20.EL.i686.rpm I may have been incorrect ... IF you have the EM64T Xeon Processor 2.8Ghz processor (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/pentium4/index.htm) you should be using the x86_64 ... if you have the nonEM64T Xeon (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr_proc+xeon512kb&), you should use i686. _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From Anth Courtney Tue Nov 16 13:05:18 2004 From: Anth Courtney (Anth Courtney) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:05:18 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> Message-ID: Michiel, > Is there an other way to sync my updates folder with that from an mirror > with ftp or something like that? > Does anyone have such a script? If you put into your script something like the following wget -r -N -nH -nd -P /export/rpms/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ ftp://whitebox.wicks.co.nz/pub/linux/dist/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ then that will do the trick. You will however, wnat to replace /export/rpms/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ with your local path. i.e /var/www/html/ cheers, Anth From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 13:20:13 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:20:13 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> Message-ID: <4199FE8D.7050202@info.nl> Anth Courtney wrote: > Michiel, > > >>Is there an other way to sync my updates folder with that from an mirror >> with ftp or something like that? >>Does anyone have such a script? > > > If you put into your script something like the following > > wget -r -N -nH -nd -P /export/rpms/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ > ftp://whitebox.wicks.co.nz/pub/linux/dist/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ Thanks..how do I exclude some directories ( lie the 64bits,athlon and source rpms?) This link is slow btw..Can I use an other one from the www.whiteboxlinux.org/download.html list? Belnet? (belgium - close to the netherlands) > > then that will do the trick. > > You will however, wnat to replace > /export/rpms/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ with your local path. i.e > /var/www/html/ > Thanks a bunch! :) > cheers, > Anth Michiel From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Tue Nov 16 13:24:09 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> Message-ID: <1463.12.29.16.103.1100611449.squirrel@whooper.org> Michiel van Es said: [snip] > But why would I use rc2? > Isn't that the old release BEFORE the official 3.0 and later 3.0 respin1 > release? Yes. -- William Hooper From weeboy@conorwynne.com Tue Nov 16 13:34:25 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:34:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] reboot on boot with smp kernel In-Reply-To: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F91A@deimos.placevendome.cl> References: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA0673F91A@deimos.placevendome.cl> Message-ID: <17003.213.94.228.213.1100612065.squirrel@213.94.228.213> > Recompile new kernel in base to source 2.4.21-20 with smp option and HT > active with make oldconfig, and have same error :( Redhat give you example configs which you can just use directly. /usr/src/linux-2.4/configs In there, there are loads of example configs. Don't forget to create your initrd afterwards though. -- Conor Wynne, Dublin, Irlande. From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 13:38:40 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:38:40 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <1463.12.29.16.103.1100611449.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4199D508.3010502@info.nl> <4199E474.9000806@info.nl> <4199F974.6050705@info.nl> <1463.12.29.16.103.1100611449.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <419A02E0.3090103@info.nl> William Hooper wrote: > Michiel van Es said: > [snip] > >>But why would I use rc2? >>Isn't that the old release BEFORE the official 3.0 and later 3.0 respin1 >>release? > > > Yes. > Hmm..then why is NCSU keeping the rc's updates and not the recent versions? :-? Strange..tryin a wget script with ftp.belnet.be now :) Thanks Michiel From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: > Hello Michiel, > > > Is there a problem with ncsu? > > It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on > ncsu anymore. > > Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory > confirms this: > > ftp> ls > 227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) > 150 Here comes the directory listing. > drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras > drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso > drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates > drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os > > If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then > it runs without error. Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 15:50:49 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:50:49 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419A21D9.6000905@info.nl> Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: > > >>Hello Michiel, >> >> >>>Is there a problem with ncsu? >> >>It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on >>ncsu anymore. >> >>Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory >>confirms this: >> >>ftp> ls >>227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) >>150 Here comes the directory listing. >>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso >>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os >> >>If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then >>it runs without error. > > > Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? I don't know..as far as I can see it only a rsync problem 'cause NCSU is the only host delivering rsync updates. I changed my scripts to wget/ftp..and ftp.belnet.be as update host.. No problemo :) > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > > Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: > > > > > >>Hello Michiel, > >> > >> > >>>Is there a problem with ncsu? > >> > >>It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on > >>ncsu anymore. > >> > >>Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory > >>confirms this: > >> > >>ftp> ls > >>227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) > >>150 Here comes the directory listing. > >>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso > >>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os > >> > >>If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then > >>it runs without error. > > > > > > Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? > > I don't know..as far as I can see it only a rsync problem 'cause NCSU is > the only host delivering rsync updates. > I changed my scripts to wget/ftp..and ftp.belnet.be as update host.. > No problemo :) So how do you reconcile the files that have changed with those that haven't? Or are you just deleting the whole directory and grabbing it again? The thing I like about rsync is that I'm only grabbing the changed files. The thing that's starting to bug me about whitebox is that it's not community-based. The library folks actively do *not* want anybody else's help in ensuring that updates are timely. There's only one rsync server. etc. I did a quick look (*very* quick) at CentOS's website just now, and they have several rsync mirrors available. I'll have to look into their update procedures, etc tonight. I guess the real problem is that whitebox has at least two "single-point-of-failure" areas. One guy (John Morris) who's doing the updates and hasn't got the time to keep up with them, and one rsync mirror. I'm concerned that there may be more. Yes, yes, I know, there's other distros out there. I'm gonna look at them tonight. I just thought that this was the one, damnit. Ben From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 16 16:05:17 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:17 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419A253D.1060409@info.nl> Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > > >>Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Michiel, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is there a problem with ncsu? >>>> >>>>It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on >>>>ncsu anymore. >>>> >>>>Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory >>>>confirms this: >>>> >>>>ftp> ls >>>>227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) >>>>150 Here comes the directory listing. >>>>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras >>>>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso >>>>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates >>>>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os >>>> >>>>If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then >>>>it runs without error. >>> >>> >>>Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? >> >>I don't know..as far as I can see it only a rsync problem 'cause NCSU is >>the only host delivering rsync updates. >>I changed my scripts to wget/ftp..and ftp.belnet.be as update host.. >>No problemo :) > > > So how do you reconcile the files that have changed with those that > haven't? Or are you just deleting the whole directory and grabbing it > again? The thing I like about rsync is that I'm only grabbing the changed > files. I just trust that the uploaded updated rpm files won't change. I use the -nc option..so only the files I'm missing are being transfered. > > The thing that's starting to bug me about whitebox is that it's not > community-based. The library folks actively do *not* want anybody else's > help in ensuring that updates are timely. There's only one rsync server. > etc. > > I did a quick look (*very* quick) at CentOS's website just now, and they > have several rsync mirrors available. I'll have to look into their update > procedures, etc tonight. > > I guess the real problem is that whitebox has at least two > "single-point-of-failure" areas. One guy (John Morris) who's doing the > updates and hasn't got the time to keep up with them, and one rsync > mirror. I'm concerned that there may be more. I completely agree with you. There is so much need for extra rsync servers and more up2date maintainers.. > > Yes, yes, I know, there's other distros out there. I'm gonna look at them > tonight. I just thought that this was the one, damnit. I do not want to change a bunch of server again to another distro..:( > > Ben Michiel From whitebox@elric.net Tue Nov 16 16:13:21 2004 From: whitebox@elric.net (Brent DiNicola) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:13:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Re: Updates..? (Lamar Owen) In-Reply-To: <20041115232300.25097.46993.Mailman@library.beau.org> References: <20041115232300.25097.46993.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <27513.66.219.50.70.1100621601.squirrel@webmail.elric.net> I just want to make clear. The point of MY particular email was to merely confirm that something wasn't wrong with my rsync or if indeed as they stated they were just to busy to do updates right now. That I got an answer to quite sufficiently. I don't see a reason for a grass roots effort to try and start the "community action" right now. I just wanted to make sure all my stuff wasn't broken :) In a related note, today I got a notice that there were no files to rsync.. and did some digging on the mirrors and have noticed that all the updates directories are now named "obsolete-updates", something changing that I didn't catch ? Just trying to know if my stuff is broken or I need to change something so I can keep up to date with the fine efforts of the Library. Brent > From: Lamar Owen > Organization: Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Updates..? > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:02:26 -0500 > > On Saturday 13 November 2004 04:04, bishop wrote: >> Hmm. Sounds like we could quickly gear ourselves up for a Fedora-like >> effort, here. I think we need a BZ and a Wiki, at least, for >> coordination, and some kind of test procedure. > > Understand that John Morris did this primarily to benefit the library. He > released it out of good will. He has made it fairly clear in times past > that > he intends to maintain it *for the library* first and foremost, and that > the > results will continue to be publicly available. But, no, this is not a > team > effort, really. Search the archives of this list to see more. If you > can't > deal with that, well, there are other RHEL3 from-source-clones out there, > like FermiLab's Scientific Linux or cAos' CentOS. Or Tao, or.... well, > there's a bunch. Or do it yourself and put up an RHEL3 compatible > repository > like Dag does. > > Since other projects are handling those logistics already, and since John > hasn't been in the past willing to do this (which is his right), then you > can > either join another project or just wait on John. Of course, John may > decide > to change his mind. > > But, like I said, understand that WhiteBox Linux is not a community > project; > it is the fruits of a library's internal IT project released to the > public, > which is a completely different animal. > > And the way John is doing things works for me at the moment, for at least > some > servers I run. I certainly would rather wait for a 'blessed' RPM from > beau.org than use a third-party's RPM regardless of how quickly it is > released. John has done remarkably well in keeping up with updates. And, > well, the fact of the matter is that if he had fallen too far behind I > would > have put something else on those servers by now. > > Push comes to shove I am capable of downloading the RHEL3 source RPMs and > rebuilding them myself if need be. > -- > Lamar Owen > Director of Information Technology > Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute > 1 PARI Drive > Rosman, NC 28772 > (828)862-5554 > www.pari.edu -- Brent DiNicola The Whitewolf of Imrryr http://www.elric.net Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are from my dog. Any liabilities fall to the dog. From kbohling@birddog.com Tue Nov 16 17:25:53 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:25:53 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <419A21D9.6000905@info.nl> References: <419A21D9.6000905@info.nl> Message-ID: <20041116172551.GF1880@hawk.birddog.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 04:50:49PM +0100, Michiel van Es wrote: > > Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > >On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: > > > > > >>Hello Michiel, > >> > >> > >>>Is there a problem with ncsu? > >> > >>It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on > >>ncsu anymore. > >> > >>Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory > >>confirms this: > >> > >>ftp> ls > >>227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) > >>150 Here comes the directory listing. > >>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso > >>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os > >> > >>If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then > >>it runs without error. > > > > > >Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? > > I don't know..as far as I can see it only a rsync problem 'cause NCSU is > the only host delivering rsync updates. > I changed my scripts to wget/ftp..and ftp.belnet.be as update host.. > No problemo :) Actually NCSU is the only one listed publically that has an rsync server. At least one other mirror site provides rsync access: rsync://mirrors.esat.net/ftp/mirrors/whiteboxlinux.org/3.0/en/ However, they appear to mirror for NCSU. I get the same problem from them. I can pull updates directly from whiteboxlinux.org via HTTP (which I thought was supposed to be limited access). I never pull them directly to conserve on bandwidth. The most recent update in the i386 directory is xscreensaver on Oct 10, 2004. My guess is that probably a couple of the others allow rsync, you just have to poke around. Here are others: rsync://rsync.belnet.be/packages/whiteboxlinux/3.0/en/. rsync://rsync.kspei.com/whitebox/3.0/en/. I generally assume they'd prefer rsync access if I can find it given that it's generally more efficient then FTP once I have the bulk of the data. However, all of these have exactly the same problem. I can't even get to the updates on belnet.be via HTTP. If you try all of the updates links from this page: http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/download.html Only these actually work: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/whiteboxlinux/3.0/en/updates/ ftp://whitebox.wicks.co.nz/pub/linux/dist/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ This one works, but is dreadfully out of date: http://whitebox.phantomhosting.com/3.0/en/updates/ I'd say something is fairly systemically wrong at the source given how many of them have problems. Thanks, Kirby From owensby@access4less.net Tue Nov 16 18:10:38 2004 From: owensby@access4less.net (Dean Owensby) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:10:38 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] up2date curiosity Message-ID: <419A429E.7050002@access4less.net> just ran up2date -u on console, and noticed the "new Up2date" note at the end. after reboot, i ran the up2date gui, just to see what was new, progress bar promptly locked up on ncsu's mirror with an empty "ignored packages" install-selections gui behind it. i had to ctl/alt/backspace to get rid of it. i did vi on sources, and commented out the yum-mirrors lines, forcing the beau wan option. i reran the gui, and everything went perfectly. (this is on 56k dialup, gnome desktop, no devel pkgs) quick and snappy, just like normal. any comments/ideas? -- Dean Owensby Norfolk, Virginia From dave@58ghz.net Tue Nov 16 19:35:58 2004 From: dave@58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:35:58 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100633758.31538.315.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 10:02, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > > > > > Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Anth Courtney wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Hello Michiel, > > >> > > >> > > >>>Is there a problem with ncsu? > > >> > > >>It appears that the whitebox/3.0/en/updates folder doesn't exist on > > >>ncsu anymore. > > >> > > >>Connecting via ftp and doing a list of the whitebox/3.0/en directory > > >>confirms this: > > >> > > >>ftp> ls > > >>227 Entering Passive Mode (152,1,138,20,38,51) > > >>150 Here comes the directory listing. > > >>drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 extras > > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 iso > > >>drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 36864 Oct 11 02:24 obsolete-updates > > >>drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 16 11:10 os > > >> > > >>If you run your rsync script and specify os instead of updates, then > > >>it runs without error. > > > > > > > > > Do CentOS or Taos or whatever have these problems? > > > > I don't know..as far as I can see it only a rsync problem 'cause NCSU is > > the only host delivering rsync updates. > > I changed my scripts to wget/ftp..and ftp.belnet.be as update host.. > > No problemo :) > > So how do you reconcile the files that have changed with those that > haven't? Or are you just deleting the whole directory and grabbing it > again? The thing I like about rsync is that I'm only grabbing the changed > files. > > The thing that's starting to bug me about whitebox is that it's not > community-based. The library folks actively do *not* want anybody else's > help in ensuring that updates are timely. There's only one rsync server. > etc. > > I did a quick look (*very* quick) at CentOS's website just now, and they > have several rsync mirrors available. I'll have to look into their update > procedures, etc tonight. > > I guess the real problem is that whitebox has at least two > "single-point-of-failure" areas. One guy (John Morris) who's doing the > updates and hasn't got the time to keep up with them, and one rsync > mirror. I'm concerned that there may be more. > > Yes, yes, I know, there's other distros out there. I'm gonna look at them > tonight. I just thought that this was the one, damnit. > > Ben > This is really a non-issue. Take the WB distro, Make it "Biege Box", setup your own rpm repository, do your own updates. If you do this, you can have your own distro, and fix all the "problems". I think John has done a great job with WB and deserves to be applauded. :) Dave > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From jackson@salk.edu Tue Nov 16 20:05:09 2004 From: jackson@salk.edu (Thomas Jackson) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:05:09 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] GFS on WBEL Message-ID: <1100635509.15594.21.camel@cs-lintop01.salk.edu> Curiosity has gotten the better of me and I've setup a test cluster to play around with GFS. Has anyone else tried the SRPMs over at http://www.hughesjr.com/component/option,com_docman/task,view_category/Itemid,34/subcat,1/catid,15/limitstart,0/limit,50/ I've done a little spec file editing to get it to like the current kernel 2.4.21-20.EL but am unable to get the build to complete. Build fails... + patch -d linux -p1 -f -i '../*/kernel_patches/2.4.21-20.EL/*patch' patch: **** Can't open patch file '../*/kernel_patches/2.4.21-20.EL/*patch' : No such file or directory error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.69440 (%build) I figure I am missing something but I've no clue what it is. From th.knoop@b-c-s.nl Tue Nov 16 20:45:45 2004 From: th.knoop@b-c-s.nl (Thomas Knoop) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:45:45 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Bandwith References: <1100633758.31538.315.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Message-ID: <00f501c4cc1d$4035c4c0$6600a8c0@thomask> This was regarding Re: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script Hi, Say i have a 250Gb p/month to share for a rsync mirror. Is everybody going to lauch or is this something we can use? p.s. Can i cap the max bandwith per month for a given server? ;) From lowen@pari.edu Tue Nov 16 21:55:37 2004 From: lowen@pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:55:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: References: <419A21D9.6000905@info.nl> Message-ID: <1639.64.53.29.118.1100642137.squirrel@mail.pari.edu> > Yes, yes, I know, there's other distros out there. I'm gonna look at them > tonight. I just yum upgraded a server from WhiteBox 3respin1 to CentOS, just to see how difficult it would be. Here's my history: #yum -C clean all #rpm -Uvh ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/caoslinux/centos-3/3.3/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/yum-2.0.8-1.centos.3.noarch.rpm #cd /etc #mv yum.conf yum.conf.rpmsave.WB3 #cp yum.conf.rpmnew yum.conf #rpm -e whitebox-release #rpm -Uvh ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/caoslinux/centos-3/3.3/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/centos-release-3.3-1.i386.rpm #rpm --import ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/caoslinux/centos-3/3.3/os/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY #rpm --import ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/caoslinux/centos-3/3.3/os/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 #yum upgrade Reboot, and now I'm running the CentOS kernel and pointed at the CentOS yum repos. Everything seems to work ok. It downloaded a number of updates; 93 in fact for my box, including the kernel. Took about fifteen minutes on my pipe with that box (Dell PowerEdge 1750). One could probably do the same thing in reverse, or to Tao, or SL, or others. If I run into problems, I'll let everybody know. Otherwise, in a few days I'm doing the rest of my servers. Note that the closeness of both CentOS and WhiteBox to RHEL3 is the reason that this worked at all, much less as smoothly as it appears. This sort of forced upgrade is not really recommended for migration between systems of dramatically different types, such as an RHEL3 to RHEL4-beta upgrade. Or FC2 to Fc3 for that matter. YMMV. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From offline.2800382@bloglines.com Wed Nov 17 00:40:58 2004 From: offline.2800382@bloglines.com (offline.2800382@bloglines.com) Date: 17 Nov 2004 00:40:58 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] mod_ssl gives undefined symbol error Message-ID: <1100652058.3604371428.29372.sendItem@bloglines.com> With mod_ssl newly installed (I'm mainly using the WBEL box as an SVN server with mod_dav_svn etc..) I tried to restart the httpd server (which works 100% fine w/o mod_ssl installed, by the way) and I get an error: Syntax error on line 16 of /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so: undefined symbol: ap_hook_test_config From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 17 01:09:15 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:09:15 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] GFS on WBEL In-Reply-To: <1100635509.15594.21.camel@cs-lintop01.salk.edu> References: <1100635509.15594.21.camel@cs-lintop01.salk.edu> Message-ID: <1100653755.16792.34.camel@Myth.home.local> On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 12:05 -0800, Thomas Jackson wrote: > Curiosity has gotten the better of me and I've setup a test cluster to > play around with GFS. Has anyone else tried the SRPMs over at > > http://www.hughesjr.com/component/option,com_docman/task,view_category/Itemid,34/subcat,1/catid,15/limitstart,0/limit,50/ > > I've done a little spec file editing to get it to like the current > kernel 2.4.21-20.EL but am unable to get the build to complete. > > Build fails... > > + patch -d linux -p1 -f -i '../*/kernel_patches/2.4.21-20.EL/*patch' > patch: **** Can't open patch file > '../*/kernel_patches/2.4.21-20.EL/*patch' : No such file or directory > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.69440 (%build) > > I figure I am missing something but I've no clue what it is. There is a newer release of GFS for the 2.4.21-20.EL kernel that should build as is on WBEL here: http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/pub/redhat/linux/updates/enterprise/3AS/en/RHGFS/SRPMS/ (or on other RedHat mirrors at updates/enterprise/3AS/en/RHGFS/SRPMS/) The version that should build on 2.4.21-20.EL is GFS-6.0.0-7.1.src.rpm. From kbohling@birddog.com Wed Nov 17 01:42:21 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:42:21 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] mod_ssl gives undefined symbol error In-Reply-To: <1100652058.3604371428.29372.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1100652058.3604371428.29372.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <20041117014218.GB5554@hawk.birddog.com> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:40:58AM -0000, offline.2800382@bloglines.com wrote: > With mod_ssl newly installed (I'm mainly using the WBEL box as an SVN server > with mod_dav_svn etc..) I tried to restart the httpd server (which works 100% > fine w/o mod_ssl installed, by the way) and I get an error: > Syntax error > on line 16 of /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so > into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so: undefined symbol: ap_hook_test_config This is just a guess, but your modules are out of sync. Your Apache/SVN/SSL all have to be compiled and linked against a compatible version of the apr libraries. My guess is you are using the stock apache/ssl modules, and compiled a version of SVN. I had similar problems with SVN until I got versions of the httpd/ssl/subversion that all worked together. I believe this guy has RPM's available: david@summersoft.fay.ar.us I don't remember where I got mine, but that guy is listed as the packager (he's big into packaging RPM's for subversion, I followed the development cycle closely at one point). It looks like he's got some listed here: http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/ Each directory under there has a whitebox-el-3 listed. The only problem, is they aren't RHEL packages, so they might not work with binary only packages, and they really won't play nice with security updates. RHEL has some nifty patches applied to apache to make SSL and various other things work sanely. So you'll be on your own for putting together security fixes. I've stayed away from Subversion strictly for this reason. Once RedHat has a supported set of binaries for it, I'm planning on jumping ship from CVS. Thanks, Kirby From matt@xrefer.com Wed Nov 17 02:12:57 2004 From: matt@xrefer.com (Matt Dainty) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:12:57 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] mod_ssl gives undefined symbol error In-Reply-To: <20041117014218.GB5554@hawk.birddog.com> References: <1100652058.3604371428.29372.sendItem@bloglines.com> <20041117014218.GB5554@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <1100657577.3875.82.camel@lister.bodgit-n-scarper.com> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 01:42, Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:40:58AM -0000, offline.2800382@bloglines.com wrote: > > With mod_ssl newly installed (I'm mainly using the WBEL box as an SVN server > > with mod_dav_svn etc..) I tried to restart the httpd server (which works 100% > > fine w/o mod_ssl installed, by the way) and I get an error: > > Syntax error > > on line 16 of /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf: > > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so > > into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so: undefined symbol: ap_hook_test_config > > This is just a guess, but your modules are out of sync. Your > Apache/SVN/SSL all have to be compiled and linked against a > compatible version of the apr libraries. My guess is you are using > the stock apache/ssl modules, and compiled a version of SVN. > > I had similar problems with SVN until I got versions of the > httpd/ssl/subversion that all worked together. > > I believe this guy has RPM's available: > david@summersoft.fay.ar.us > > I don't remember where I got mine, but that guy is listed as the > packager (he's big into packaging RPM's for subversion, I followed > the development cycle closely at one point). It looks like he's got > some listed here: > > http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/ > > Each directory under there has a whitebox-el-3 listed. The only > problem, is they aren't RHEL packages, so they might not work with > binary only packages, and they really won't play nice with security > updates. RHEL has some nifty patches applied to apache to make SSL > and various other things work sanely. So you'll be on your own for > putting together security fixes. > > I've stayed away from Subversion strictly for this reason. Once > RedHat has a supported set of binaries for it, I'm planning on > jumping ship from CVS. Try these here: http://people.redhat.com/jorton/Taroon-svn/ ...which should work with the existing whitebox RPMs. The problem with the summersoft RPMs is they force extra packages such as newer db libraries and whole new apache packages, which then breaks other things. They change far too much on the system IMO. Matt From aff@prezidential.com Wed Nov 17 02:17:48 2004 From: aff@prezidential.com (Aff) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:17:48 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] yum mirror sites all dead? Message-ID: <000c01c4cc4b$a21adee0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4CC08.939F45B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was just trying to do some updates with "yum update" and I was shocked = to see that apparently every single mirror listed in the default = yum.conf file is no longer carrying any header files. It seems like = only the whiteboxlinux.org site still has updates available. Anyone = know what is going on? Aff ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4CC08.939F45B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I was just trying to do some updates = with "yum=20 update" and I was shocked to see that apparently every single mirror = listed in=20 the default yum.conf file is no longer carrying any header files.  = It seems=20 like only the whiteboxlinux.org site still has updates = available. =20 Anyone know what is going on?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4CC08.939F45B0-- From aff@prezidential.com Wed Nov 17 02:38:13 2004 From: aff@prezidential.com (Aff) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:38:13 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Not all yum mirrors down... Message-ID: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4CC0B.6E1AE760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I stand corrected. Further testing shows that ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is = still up... Aff ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4CC0B.6E1AE760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I stand corrected.  Further = testing shows that=20 ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is = still=20 up...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4CC0B.6E1AE760-- From lists@benjamindsmith.com Wed Nov 17 02:40:52 2004 From: lists@benjamindsmith.com (Benjamin Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:40:52 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Commercial yum mirror? Message-ID: <200411161840.52940.lists@benjamindsmith.com> I'd posted a while back to see if there was any interest in commercial mirror support, and got a few responses. The goal is to provide a reliable commercial mirror for whitebox, and potentially, other distros, as well as provide some financial support to the distros being mirrored. Towards this end, I started with an rsync of the official rpm repository yesterday, only to run into the same problems as everybody else here. What other distros seem to have the hardest time coming up with decent repositories? Is there anybody else out there providing this type of service today? -Ben -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - XEROX PARC slogan, circa 1978 From jake.grimmett@nimr.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 10:46:19 2004 From: jake.grimmett@nimr.mrc.ac.uk (Jake Grimmett) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:46:19 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <20041116180001.13290.69991.Mailman@library.beau.org> References: <20041116180001.13290.69991.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <200411171046.19584.jake.grimmett@nimr.mrc.ac.uk> "Kirby C. Bohling" wrote: > I'd say something is fairly systemically wrong at the source > given how many of them have problems. > > Thanks, > Kirby Looks like that to me too - I'm sure John and Vicki will get things back up soon ;) In the meantime, I have my own mirror of whiteboxlinux.org/pub/3.0/en/updates/* (minus SRPMS, dated 10-Oct-2004), and am happy to upload this to anyone. Unfortunately I can't let you 'in' as it's behind a firewall that I have no administrative rights to :( BTW, what happened John? did you loose a disk or something? keep up the good work, ta ta Jake -- Dr J. Grimmett Computer Systems Manager Division of Molecular Structure National Institute for Medical Research The Ridgeway Mill Hill London, NW7 1AA Tel: 0208 816 2028 Fax: 0208 906 4477 From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 17 12:25:01 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:25:01 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <200411171046.19584.jake.grimmett@nimr.mrc.ac.uk> References: <20041116180001.13290.69991.Mailman@library.beau.org> <200411171046.19584.jake.grimmett@nimr.mrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1100694301.16792.70.camel@Myth.home.local> On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 10:46 +0000, Jake Grimmett wrote: > > Looks like that to me too - I'm sure John and Vicki will get things back up > soon ;) > > In the meantime, I have my own mirror of > whiteboxlinux.org/pub/3.0/en/updates/* (minus SRPMS, dated 10-Oct-2004), and > am happy to upload this to anyone. Unfortunately I can't let you 'in' as it's > behind a firewall that I have no administrative rights to :( > > BTW, what happened John? did you loose a disk or something? I don't know what happened, but it could be as simple as NCSU (or whitebox main server) accidentally removing the update directory ... since lots of the other sites rsync with NCSU (it is the only real public rsync mirror listed), it probably propagated from there... From rk@raimokoski.com Wed Nov 17 13:01:18 2004 From: rk@raimokoski.com (Raimo Koski) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:01:18 +0200 (EET) Subject: [WBEL-users] GFS on WBEL In-Reply-To: <1100635509.15594.21.camel@cs-lintop01.salk.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Thomas Jackson wrote: > Curiosity has gotten the better of me and I've setup a test cluster to > play around with GFS. Has anyone else tried the SRPMs over at > > http://www.hughesjr.com/component/option,com_docman/task,view_category/Itemid,34/subcat,1/catid,15/limitstart,0/limit,50/ > > I've done a little spec file editing to get it to like the current > kernel 2.4.21-20.EL but am unable to get the build to complete. > > Build fails... Why not grab binary packages from Lineox? The latest version is over one month old, so they are available for free. -- Raimo Koski http://www.lineox.com http://www.raimokoski.com/ From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Nov 17 13:26:37 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:26:37 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Not all yum mirrors down... In-Reply-To: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> References: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> Message-ID: <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Feel free to use my mirror: http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ Best, Erik. Aff wrote: > > I stand corrected. Further testing shows that ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is > still up... > > Aff From rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx Wed Nov 17 17:49:57 2004 From: rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx (Rafael Baquero S.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:49:57 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Not all yum mirrors down... In-Reply-To: <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <200411171149.57893.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> Thanks Erik. I just modified my yum configs to use your mirrors :) Regards. Rafael. On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:26, Erik Williamson wrote: > Feel free to use my mirror: > > http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > > Best, > Erik. > > Aff wrote: > > I stand corrected. Further testing shows that ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is > > still up... > > > > Aff > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx Wed Nov 17 18:34:23 2004 From: rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx (Rafael Baquero S.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:34:23 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Not all yum mirrors down... In-Reply-To: <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <200411171234.23478.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> Hi Erik. Thanks again for the mirror. Are there any plans for providing rsync access ? I think it would be more bandwidth friendly for all. Regards. Rafael. On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:26, Erik Williamson wrote: > Feel free to use my mirror: > > http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > > Best, > Erik. > > Aff wrote: > > I stand corrected. Further testing shows that ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is > > still up... > > > > Aff > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Nov 17 21:34:31 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:34:31 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Not all yum mirrors down... In-Reply-To: <200411171234.23478.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> References: <000a01c4cc4e$7c7033e0$5f01a8c0@salwin2k> <419B518D.1040304@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <200411171234.23478.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> Message-ID: <419BC3E7.6030100@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Ah, sorry - should've included that in my previous post: rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/whitebox/ Enjoy! Erik. Rafael Baquero S. wrote: > Hi Erik. > > Thanks again for the mirror. Are there any plans for providing rsync access ? > I think it would be more bandwidth friendly for all. > > Regards. > > Rafael. > > > On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:26, Erik Williamson wrote: > >>Feel free to use my mirror: >> >>http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ >>ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ >> >>Best, >>Erik. >> >>Aff wrote: >> >>>I stand corrected. Further testing shows that ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at is >>>still up... >>> >>>Aff >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Whitebox-users mailing list >>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- e r i k w i l l i a m s o n erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary From aly.dharshi@telus.net Thu Nov 18 00:20:15 2004 From: aly.dharshi@telus.net (Aly Dharshi) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:20:15 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Yum WBEL Mirrors Message-ID: <419BEABF.5020009@telus.net> Hi Folks, Are there any North American WBEL Yum base/update repos ? Specifically Canadian ? I would be most grateful if someone can point in the correct direction. Cheers, Aly. -- Aly Dharshi aly.dharshi@telus.net "A good speech is like a good dress that's short enough to be interesting and long enough to cover the subject" From rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx Thu Nov 18 00:42:13 2004 From: rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx (Rafael Baquero S.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:42:13 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Yum WBEL Mirrors In-Reply-To: <419BEABF.5020009@telus.net> References: <419BEABF.5020009@telus.net> Message-ID: <200411171842.13299.rbaqueros@yahoo.com.mx> Check http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/whitebox/ Regards. Rafael. On Wednesday 17 November 2004 18:20, Aly Dharshi wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Are there any North American WBEL Yum base/update repos ? Specifically > Canadian ? I would be most grateful if someone can point in the correct > direction. > > Cheers, > > Aly. From hawk82 Thu Nov 18 00:34:34 2004 From: hawk82 (hawk82) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:34:34 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Yum WBEL Mirrors In-Reply-To: <419BEABF.5020009@telus.net> References: <419BEABF.5020009@telus.net> Message-ID: http://beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users/2004-November/004448.html On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:20:15 -0700, Aly Dharshi wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Are there any North American WBEL Yum base/update repos ? Specifically Canadian > ? I would be most grateful if someone can point in the correct direction. > > Cheers, > > Aly. > > -- > Aly Dharshi > aly.dharshi@telus.net > > "A good speech is like a good dress > that's short enough to be interesting > and long enough to cover the subject" > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de Thu Nov 18 09:55:33 2004 From: christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de (christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:55:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-List and maildrop Message-ID: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> Hi everybody, i have a problem filtering mails from the WBEL-List. The other filters in my maildroprc files are ok and mails are delivered in the right folder. I“ve tried different constelations but none worked. This is the part for the WBEL-List in my maildroprc-file: if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users*/) { exception { to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ } } I“ve tried also this: if (/^(From|To|Cc):.*whitebox-users*/) { exception { to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ } } ...with no success. Does anybody use maildrop with a proper mailfilter-rule? Thanks in advance. Christian From kbohling@birddog.com Thu Nov 18 17:53:49 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:53:49 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-List and maildrop In-Reply-To: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> References: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> Message-ID: <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:55:33AM +0100, christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de wrote: > Hi everybody, > > i have a problem filtering mails from the WBEL-List. The other filters in > my maildroprc files are ok and mails are delivered in the right folder. > I“ve tried different constelations but none worked. This is the part for > the WBEL-List in my maildroprc-file: > > > if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users*/) > { > exception { > to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ > } > } ^List-Id: WBEL Users \ This is roughly the regular expression I use (I actually use one regular expression to pull the line that starts with "List-Id:" in procmail and one in python to pick a particular folder). I'm not sure this syntax is exactly what you'd need. Your Regular expression probably needs to be like this: if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users.*/) Notice the '.' included after the 's' in "users". I've never used maildrop, but if it has to match the entire line that's your problem. If it's only a partial line match, then your expression should have worked unless the two '-', or the ':' needs to be escaped. I've always thought Maildrop looked better then procmail if only because it looks like a real programming language which makes it more intuitive to me. The last thing that comes to mind, is that some MDA won't create a new folder (tmail for instance I believe won't). So my problem is that everything is correct, but tmail refuses to create the folder. I create the folder and my procmail scripts start working. Kirby From christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de Thu Nov 18 18:16:09 2004 From: christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de (christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:16:09 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-List and maildrop In-Reply-To: <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> References: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <419CE6E9.6070702@fedoraforum.de> Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:55:33AM +0100, christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de wrote: > >>Hi everybody, >> >>i have a problem filtering mails from the WBEL-List. The other filters in >>my maildroprc files are ok and mails are delivered in the right folder. >>I“ve tried different constelations but none worked. This is the part for >>the WBEL-List in my maildroprc-file: >> >> >>if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users*/) >>{ >> exception { >> to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ >> } >>} > > > > ^List-Id: WBEL Users \ > > This is roughly the regular expression I use (I actually use one > regular expression to pull the line that starts with "List-Id:" in > procmail and one in python to pick a particular folder). I'm not > sure this syntax is exactly what you'd need. > > Your Regular expression probably needs to be like this: > > if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users.*/) > > Notice the '.' included after the 's' in "users". I've never used > maildrop, but if it has to match the entire line that's your > problem. If it's only a partial line match, then your expression > should have worked unless the two '-', or the ':' needs to be > escaped. > > I've always thought Maildrop looked better then procmail if only > because it looks like a real programming language which makes it > more intuitive to me. > > The last thing that comes to mind, is that some MDA won't create a > new folder (tmail for instance I believe won't). So my problem is > that everything is correct, but tmail refuses to create the folder. > I create the folder and my procmail scripts start working. > Hi Kirby and thanks for your reply, well, you“re right, maildrop won“t create maildirs. I use Postfixadmin [1] for creating accounts and maildirs; There is also a good HOWTO [2] about ist. I just added in my create-mailbox.php this line: system("/usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/maildircreate.sh $fDomain ".$_POST['fUsername']); The shell-script maildircreate looks like this: #!/bin/bash # Some variables. Change to your need CREATEDIR=/usr/local/courier/bin/maildirmake VMAIL=/home/vmail ##########END CHANGE SECTION################### cd $VMAIL MATCH=`ls |grep "$1"` if [ "$MATCH" != "$1" ] then mkdir $VMAIL/"$1" chmod 700 vmail:vmail "$1" chown -R vmail:vmail "$1" cd "$1" `$CREATEDIR $VMAIL/"$1"/"$2"` chown -R vmail:vmail $VMAIL/$1/$2 chmod -R 700 $VMAIL/$1/$2 else cd $VMAIL/"$1" $CREATEDIR "$2" chown -R vmail:vmail $VMAIL/"$1"/"$2" chmod -R 700 $VMAIL/"$1"/"$2" fi So everytime i add a new mailaccount the maildir is created on-the-fly. I guess, i“ll give it another try with maidrop-filtering. [1] http://high5.net/postfixadmin/ [2] http://high5.net/howto/#postfixadmin Christian From Andy Masiar Thu Nov 18 19:19:56 2004 From: Andy Masiar (Andy Masiar) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:19:56 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with rsync script In-Reply-To: <419A253D.1060409@info.nl> References: <419A253D.1060409@info.nl> Message-ID: > There is so much need for extra rsync servers and more up2date maintainers.. what if we send updates to John? Will he accept them? Maybe we should start rolling out our own updates aka dag or something. I personally don't have enough bandwidth to host a rsync server. But what if we take donations for a dedicated server with plenty of bandwidth serving whitebox updates? Andy From slewis@complaw.com Thu Nov 18 20:06:03 2004 From: slewis@complaw.com (Samuel Lewis) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:06:03 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? Message-ID: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list today. Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. Any reason why? From chris@math.uu.se Thu Nov 18 20:18:48 2004 From: chris@math.uu.se (Christian Nygaard) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:18:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Stack ExecShield? In-Reply-To: <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> References: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: Hi is Whitebox using the exec shield features? as shown in: http://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/rhel/WHP0006US_Execshield.pdf //Christian From rdieter@math.unl.edu Thu Nov 18 20:30:18 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:30:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Stack ExecShield? In-Reply-To: References: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> <20041118175345.GB11214@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Christian Nygaard wrote: > Hi is Whitebox using the exec shield features? > as shown in: > http://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/rhel/WHP0006US_Execshield.pdf Yep, cat /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield -- Rex From Andy Masiar Thu Nov 18 21:03:08 2004 From: Andy Masiar (Andy Masiar) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:03:08 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Business woftware for Linux In-Reply-To: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: http://www.sql-ledger.org/ it's kind of crude, but gets the job done On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:23:16 -0500, William Warren wrote: > I am hoping to find a inventory management program suitable for > something like a bookstore or other 1-5 person smb. The software > would need to be able to accept inputs from wireless handheld > scanning devices for entry into the system. It must also work > with their windows based PoS computer. Any suggestions would be > highly appreciated. > > William > -- > My "Foundation" verse: > Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; > and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou > shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, > and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. > > -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From mir@soartech.com Thu Nov 18 21:24:56 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:24:56 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? In-Reply-To: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> References: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> Message-ID: <200411181624.56534.mir@soartech.com> Yup several threads already.... http://beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users/2004-November/thread.html On Thursday 18 November 2004 03:06 pm, Samuel Lewis wrote: > Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list > today. > > Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I > attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking > around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. > Any reason why? > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- David Mir Systems Administrator Soar Technology, Inc. 3600 Green Ct. Ste 600 Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2588 734-327-8000 ext. 222 734-913-8537 (Fax) 269-274-4052 (Cell) www.soartech.com mir@soartech.com Mobile Text (160 chars max): mir_mobile@soartech.com From kbohling@birddog.com Thu Nov 18 21:38:23 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:38:23 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? In-Reply-To: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> References: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> Message-ID: <20041118213820.GC11214@hawk.birddog.com> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 03:06:03PM -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: > Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list > today. > > Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I > attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking > around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. > Any reason why? I'm not sure what precisely is going on. They we're down a couple of days ago. It looked like they came back yesterday, and they are gone again today. I have yet to see anyone post what they got as a reply from either the Whitebox folks (Vicki and John have been disturbingly silent on the issue), or from the people who run the NCSU mirror. So I'm not sure exactly where the problems are. I'd be fairly shocked if the NCSU mirror is having problems (they mirror a lot of stuff, I'd assume they have it fairly well automated). However, I have yet to hear any of the people from beau.org to say the where they believe the problem is. They sound pretty busy running a library. I've been bothered enough by this that I've been looking for WhiteBox alternatives, but unfortantely none of the alternatives make me happy enough to warrent a change (CentOS, TaoLinux, and Lineox all made my research list). E-mail me off list if you want to know my objections to each project. If you know of another alternative, e-mail me, again in private. I'm not hear to say bad things about any of the RHEL rebuilds. I just want to find one I am comfortable running at work. WBEL has been slowly slipping away from that status. I'll probably continue to run it at home, if only because I really like the helpful nature of this list. WhiteBox itself has been more then stable enough, it just seems that actually getting updates has been an ongoing battle literally from the first day I tried to use it. That's the problem with it being supported by a small public library. I greatly appreatiate it, and have nothing but good things to say, with the exception of availability of updates. I'm getting close to just rolling my own internally at my company just so I have some control over the process. Thanks, Kirby From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Nov 18 21:37:15 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:37:15 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? In-Reply-To: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> References: <4641414E-399D-11D9-B386-000D93297F82@complaw.com> Message-ID: <419D160B.1070406@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> That's been a common problem of late it seems. Feel free to use my mirror: http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/whitebox/ John or Vicki, please let me help you on this one! I'd love to be an official mirror - and it sure looks like people are having trouble with a lack of viable mirrors. I've asked a handful of times in the past and never heard back. Best, Erik. -- e r i k w i l l i a m s o n erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary From ryan@rothert.com Fri Nov 19 01:16:43 2004 From: ryan@rothert.com (Ryan Rothert) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:16:43 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? Message-ID: Id love to become an official mirror as well. I have ample bandwith and disk space. This to is concerning me a great deal. John, Vicki? Some feedback please? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Kirby C. Bohling Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:38 PM To: Samuel Lewis Cc: Whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 03:06:03PM -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: > Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list > today. > > Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I > attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking > around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. > Any reason why? I'm not sure what precisely is going on. They we're down a couple of days ago. It looked like they came back yesterday, and they are gone again today. I have yet to see anyone post what they got as a reply from either the Whitebox folks (Vicki and John have been disturbingly silent on the issue), or from the people who run the NCSU mirror. So I'm not sure exactly where the problems are. I'd be fairly shocked if the NCSU mirror is having problems (they mirror a lot of stuff, I'd assume they have it fairly well automated). However, I have yet to hear any of the people from beau.org to say the where they believe the problem is. They sound pretty busy running a library. I've been bothered enough by this that I've been looking for WhiteBox alternatives, but unfortantely none of the alternatives make me happy enough to warrent a change (CentOS, TaoLinux, and Lineox all made my research list). E-mail me off list if you want to know my objections to each project. If you know of another alternative, e-mail me, again in private. I'm not hear to say bad things about any of the RHEL rebuilds. I just want to find one I am comfortable running at work. WBEL has been slowly slipping away from that status. I'll probably continue to run it at home, if only because I really like the helpful nature of this list. WhiteBox itself has been more then stable enough, it just seems that actually getting updates has been an ongoing battle literally from the first day I tried to use it. That's the problem with it being supported by a small public library. I greatly appreatiate it, and have nothing but good things to say, with the exception of availability of updates. I'm getting close to just rolling my own internally at my company just so I have some control over the process. Thanks, Kirby _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From nick-tech@terraworld.net Fri Nov 19 03:11:28 2004 From: nick-tech@terraworld.net (Nick Bright) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:11:28 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] LSI SATA 150-6 In-Reply-To: <4194E973.6030607@telus.net> References: <1100277464.31848.16.camel@neptune.terranet.net> <4194E973.6030607@telus.net> Message-ID: <419D6460.4020506@terraworld.net> The card works excellently, with the stock megaraid.o driver that every other MegaRAID product uses. I am quite satisified with performance and compability. As well, the acompanying management software is pretty good. Two thumbs up for this card. My test of the card was in my Del 1600SC (dual Xeon 2Ghz, 2Gb RAM) in a PCI-X slot I used six Seagate 80GB drives (Model ST380013AS) In RAID 5, DirectIO caching, & Adaptive Read ahead the performance was a bit better than a single IBM UltraStar 18Gb 10,000 RPM Ultra 160 drive. I can post some bonnie++ benchmark results if there is interest. Sustained writes of a 4Gb file (at 1Mb and 4Kb block sizes) resulted in 35Mb/sec write speeds. time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=4k count=1048576 and time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024k count=4096 were used to attain that result. - Nick Aly Dharshi wrote: > No clue, but do let us know of your results, maybe I can be persuaded > to by it :) > > Cheers, > > Aly. > > Nick Bright wrote: > >> I'm buying an LSI SATA 150-6 (6 channel sata raid), and was wondering if >> anyone had tried using one of these with whitebox? I know it's >> supported, but I was wondering what someones results of actually using >> it are? >> >> > From nozy@mozysswamp.org Fri Nov 19 04:22:14 2004 From: nozy@mozysswamp.org (Michael Falzon) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:22:14 +1100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Tar Funny Day Message-ID: <1100838134.8004.11.camel@nb.mozysswamp.org> --=-C81yQ+B2hBfZqQRl75TZ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All this one a funny 1 not sure why tar is doing this if you look at the date you will see 1970-01-01 10:00:00 if some know if this can be fix to show the right date [backupserver@lexx backup]$ tar -Svvcf /dev/st0 -V "TEST" --totals tape-only.sh V--------- 0/0 0 1970-01-01 10:00:00 TEST--Volume Header-- -rwxr-xr-x backupserver/backupserver 2012 2004-10-25 11:39:29 tape-only.sh Total bytes written: 10240 (10kB, 538B/s) See BUG. "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Michael Falzon (RHCT) Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs http://mozysswamp.org Registered LFS User #406 Registered Linux User #204397 --=-C81yQ+B2hBfZqQRl75TZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi All
     this one a funny 1 not sure why tar is doing this if you look at the date you will see 1970-01-01 10:00:00
if some know if this can be fix to show the right date


[backupserver@lexx backup]$ tar -Svvcf /dev/st0 -V "TEST"  --totals tape-only.sh
V--------- 0/0               0 1970-01-01 10:00:00 TEST--Volume Header--
-rwxr-xr-x backupserver/backupserver 2012 2004-10-25 11:39:29 tape-only.sh Total bytes written: 10240 (10kB, 538B/s)






See BUG.  "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" 
A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it.


Michael Falzon (RHCT) 
Mozy's Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBs
http://mozysswamp.org
Registered LFS User   #406
Registered Linux User #204397
--=-C81yQ+B2hBfZqQRl75TZ-- From adrians@turnkey.web.za Fri Nov 19 06:30:10 2004 From: adrians@turnkey.web.za (Adrian Snyman) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:30:10 +0200 Subject: [WBEL-users] Business woftware for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <41916D84.2000504@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <200411190830.10734.adrians@turnkey.web.za> On Thursday 18 November 2004 23:03, Andy Masiar wrote: > http://www.sql-ledger.org/ > > it's kind of crude, but gets the job done > > > On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:23:16 -0500, William Warren Also Cubit .. http://www.cubit.co.za -- Regards, Adrian Snyman Tel: (083)647-5299 /* Beat Me, Whip Me, Make me use Windows !! */ From Brian Ipsen Fri Nov 19 06:33:37 2004 From: Brian Ipsen (Brian Ipsen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:33:37 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Yum Update issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Trying to do a "yum update" on my host gives me: retrygrab() failed for: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/whiteboxlinux/3.0/en/updates/headers/hea der.info Executing failover method retrygrab() failed for: ftp://ftp.jach.hawaii.edu/pub/linux/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/headers/header .info Executing failover method retrygrab() failed for: ftp://ftp.kspei.com/mirrors/whiteboxlinux.org/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/head ers/header.info Executing failover method retrygrab() failed for: ftp://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/whiteboxlinux.org/3.0/en/updates/headers/header .info Executing failover method retrygrab() failed for: ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/headers/header.i nfo Executing failover method I've checked some od the sites, and it seems like the file header.info doesn't exist. Is this a problem with my yum configuration - or is it a problem on the mirrors ?? Regards, /Brian From denis@just-servers.co.uk Fri Nov 19 09:53:22 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:53:22 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid Message-ID: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of whitebox as I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. Thanks Denis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Fri Nov 19 10:35:48 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:35:48 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Yum Update issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100860548.1439.32.camel@Myth.home.local> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 07:33 +0100, Brian Ipsen wrote: > > I've checked some od the sites, and it seems like the file header.info > doesn't exist. Is this a problem with my yum configuration - or is it a > problem on the mirrors ?? > > Regards, > > /Brian > _______________________________________________ There is currently a major problem with most of the official mirrors ... If you are new to the mailing list, look in the archives for the last wee here: http://beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users/2004-November/thread.html check these threads: - Updates go away? - problem with rsync script - yum mirror sites all dead? Some mirrors that I have verified that still work are: http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/whitebox/ http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/whitebox ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/whitebox From slewis@complaw.com Fri Nov 19 12:11:55 2004 From: slewis@complaw.com (Samuel Lewis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:11:55 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates/Header Files Message-ID: <344545EA-3A24-11D9-BE91-0003936B1910@complaw.com> I found that the Georgia Tech mirror is still up and working. However, when I change my configuration to use that mirror (or any other mirror other than NCSU), I get an error message indicating that the header files cannot be found. What is the proper entry for the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file to allow other mirrors to function? From weeboy@conorwynne.com Fri Nov 19 12:16:39 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:16:39 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) Message-ID: <45444.62.77.181.1.1100866599.squirrel@62.77.181.1> Hi all, I have an issue with sendmail (sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.1) All mails originating from the server get the following status: [root@server root]# mailq /var/spool/mqueue (4 requests) -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient----------- iAJBJqMr031864 0 Fri Nov 19 11:19 (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) If we "dig mydomain.ie aaaa" or "dig mydomain.ie mx" or "dig mydomain.ie a" We get the appropriate response! e.g.: ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mydomain.ie a (or mx or aaaa) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58843 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 The only entries I changed in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc were as follows: define(`SMART_HOST',`mailhost.otherdomain.ie') mailhost.otherdomain.ie has the mx record in mydomain.ie FYI: mailhost resolves via dnslookups. The two other changes were as follows: FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.ie')dnl In this config, all mails were waiting in /var/spool/clientmqueue So we added a line as follows to /etc/mail/submit.cf O DirectSubmissionModifiers=C This resulted in messages no longer being as dsn=4.4.3 stat=queued in /var/log/maillog But subsequently we now get them being queued in /var/spool/mqueue. Help me Obi-Wan. Regards -- Conor Wynne, Dublin, Irlande. From weeboy@conorwynne.com Fri Nov 19 13:27:03 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:27:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) In-Reply-To: <45444.62.77.181.1.1100866599.squirrel@62.77.181.1> References: <45444.62.77.181.1.1100866599.squirrel@62.77.181.1> Message-ID: <6554.62.77.181.1.1100870823.squirrel@62.77.181.1> I shall answer my own problem: I forgot to add the IPADDRESS of the DNS server in resolv.conf. I had the FQDN instaed. Now I have more problems, but at least mails are now being delivered. After lunch I'll ask again ;-0 > Hi all, > > I have an issue with sendmail (sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.1) > All mails originating from the server get the following status: > > [root@server root]# mailq > /var/spool/mqueue (4 requests) > -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- > ------------Sender/Recipient----------- > iAJBJqMr031864 0 Fri Nov 19 11:19 > (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) > > If we "dig mydomain.ie aaaa" or "dig mydomain.ie mx" or "dig mydomain.ie > a" > We get the appropriate response! > > e.g.: > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mydomain.ie a (or mx or aaaa) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58843 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > The only entries I changed in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc were as follows: > define(`SMART_HOST',`mailhost.otherdomain.ie') > > mailhost.otherdomain.ie has the mx record in mydomain.ie > > FYI: mailhost resolves via dnslookups. > The two other changes were as follows: > FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl > MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.ie')dnl > > In this config, all mails were waiting in /var/spool/clientmqueue > So we added a line as follows to /etc/mail/submit.cf > O DirectSubmissionModifiers=C > > This resulted in messages no longer being as dsn=4.4.3 stat=queued in > /var/log/maillog > > But subsequently we now get them being queued in /var/spool/mqueue. > > Help me Obi-Wan. > Regards > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- Conor Wynne, Dublin, Irlande. From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 14:55:33 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:55:33 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? Message-ID: <200411190955.33071.mir@soartech.com> I did email ncsu and received a reply: =========================== It should be fixed sometime next week. Elliot =========================== On Thursday 18 November 2004 04:38 pm, Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 03:06:03PM -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: > > Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list > > today. > > > > Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I > > attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking > > around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. > > Any reason why? > > I'm not sure what precisely is going on. They we're down a > couple of days ago. It looked like they came back yesterday, and > they are gone again today. > > I have yet to see anyone post what they got as a reply from > either the Whitebox folks (Vicki and John have been disturbingly > silent on the issue), or from the people who run the NCSU mirror. > So I'm not sure exactly where the problems are. I'd be fairly > shocked if the NCSU mirror is having problems (they mirror a lot of > stuff, I'd assume they have it fairly well automated). However, I > have yet to hear any of the people from beau.org to say the where > they believe the problem is. They sound pretty busy running a > library. > > I've been bothered enough by this that I've been looking for > WhiteBox alternatives, but unfortantely none of the alternatives > make me happy enough to warrent a change (CentOS, TaoLinux, and > Lineox all made my research list). E-mail me off list if you want > to know my objections to each project. If you know of another > alternative, e-mail me, again in private. I'm not hear to say bad > things about any of the RHEL rebuilds. I just want to find one I am > comfortable running at work. WBEL has been slowly slipping away > from that status. I'll probably continue to run it at home, if only > because I really like the helpful nature of this list. > > WhiteBox itself has been more then stable enough, it just seems > that actually getting updates has been an ongoing battle literally > from the first day I tried to use it. That's the problem with it > being supported by a small public library. I greatly appreatiate > it, and have nothing but good things to say, with the exception of > availability of updates. I'm getting close to just rolling my own > internally at my company just so I have some control over the > process. > > Thanks, > Kirby > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de Fri Nov 19 15:38:26 2004 From: christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de (christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:38:26 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Mirror list Message-ID: <419E1372.7020609@fedoraforum.de> Hi, is there a "worldwide" Mirror list aviable for WBEL? The mirrors on the WBEL-site are all from US or New-Zeeland. I“m asking because its easyer to get an overview about the mirrors out there and easyier to manage my yum.conf especially for people in Europe like me. Two examples about what i“m talking about can be found here [1] and here [2]. [1] http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/redhat-mirror2.html [2] http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html Regards, Christian From simone72@email.it Fri Nov 19 15:51:39 2004 From: simone72@email.it (Simone) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:39 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> Message-ID: <419E168B.80909@email.it> This to get started: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html have a nice day Denis Croombs wrote: >Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of whitebox as >I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. > >Thanks > >Denis > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Vuoi acquistare con sconti esclusivi? Con EmailConto Risparmio puoi scontare fino al 20% i tuoi acquisti! * Prova subito la convenienza cliccando qui. Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=837&d=19-11 From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 16:04:05 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:05 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing Message-ID: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it never got posted |-) . After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several servers and comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository packages are not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest fears in choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. Before I start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very grateful and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. According to distrowatch: Top 5 RHEL-based distributions 1. White Box Enterprise Linux 2. CentOS 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux 4. Tao Linux 5. Fermi Linux But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down the keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. With all these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! John and Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I should have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this list. This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up RPMS. I, for one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time to compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to propagate to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up please feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I think what we need is: 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an automated process not "goto RH web site") 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported platforms 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH release? if it is not too much I would do it all) 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add to the list. Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth (beside I have updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to switch). -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 16:12:43 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:12:43 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E168B.80909@email.it> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> Message-ID: <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to mirroring ont he same drive? That defeats the purpose of having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the same drive. Correct me if i am wrong. Raid from what i know is supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)? Simone wrote: > This to get started: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html > > > have a nice day > > Denis Croombs wrote: > >> Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of >> whitebox as >> I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. >> >> Thanks >> >> Denis >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> >> > > > > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Vuoi acquistare con sconti esclusivi? Con EmailConto Risparmio puoi > scontare fino al 20% i tuoi acquisti! > * Prova subito la convenienza cliccando qui. > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=837&d=19-11 > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 16:23:07 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:23:07 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> David Mir wrote: > Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it never got > posted |-) . > > After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several servers and > comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository packages are > not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest fears in > choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. Before I > start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very grateful > and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. > > According to distrowatch: > Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > 1. White Box Enterprise Linux > 2. CentOS > 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > 4. Tao Linux > 5. Fermi Linux > > But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down the > keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. With all > these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! John and > Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I should > have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this list. > This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up RPMS. I, for > one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time to > compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to propagate > to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up please > feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I think what > we need is: > > 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an automated > process not "goto RH web site") > > 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported > platforms > > 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH > release? if it is not too much I would do it all) > > 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. > > If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add to the > list. > > > Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth (beside I have > updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to switch). > I 100% agree with you? Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? Why are there so much single points of failures? Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of White Box? Michiel From weeboy@conorwynne.com Fri Nov 19 16:28:15 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:28:15 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <37175.62.77.181.1.1100881695.squirrel@62.77.181.1> > so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted > to mirroring ont he same drive? That defeats the purpose of > having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the > same drive. Correct me if i am wrong. Raid from what i know is > supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture > software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)? You read it wrong - mind you, I have not read it either. But I have RAID1's for _this_ server, and a RAID5 for my data on an external storage box. Each RAID1 has two members, the RAID5 has three at the moment. -- Conor Wynne, Dublin, Irlande. From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 16:29:38 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:29:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: <1251.12.29.16.103.1100881778.squirrel@whooper.org> David Mir said: [snip] > I, for > one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time > to compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to > propagate to all the others. Feel free to set it up. However, judging from past threads about it, this is not how John wants to handle "Official" WBEL updates. There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up their own repo and getting other people to mirror it. -- William Hooper From whitebox@beer.org.uk Fri Nov 19 16:30:55 2004 From: whitebox@beer.org.uk (Vic) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:30:55 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox and SATA Message-ID: <55210.10.0.0.4.1100881855.squirrel@hobgoblin> Hi All. Sorry if I'm hashing over old ground here - I've not finished reading through the archies yet (any chance of a search option there?). I'm specifying a server at the moment, and I'd like to run WB on it (I've had a WB machine for a number of months now, and it's rather good, isn't it?). But I've run out of IDE ports, and I'm toying with the idea of using the SATA ports on the MoBo. At this point, I get rather nervous - I've not yet owned a SATA drive, I've only ever seen one, and that had *loads* of problems[1]. Now from what I've read, the chipset I'm planning on using (SiS 964) is supported by libata, so I might be in luck... So - anyone tried anything like this? Any advice, other than RTFM/RTFA/STFW? Ta! Vic. [1] That'll teach him to use Windoze ;-) From rdieter@math.unl.edu Fri Nov 19 16:29:54 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:29:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? > Why are there so much single points of failures? > Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum > repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of White > Box? FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen to not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few times. -- Rex From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 16:35:55 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:35:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> William Warren said: > so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to > mirroring ont he same drive? No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one drive." Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple software RAID partitions. -- William Hooper From allen@up-link.net Fri Nov 19 16:47:32 2004 From: allen@up-link.net (Allen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:47:32 -0600 Subject: Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid References: <20041119163150.2507.92919.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <002a01c4ce57$77367230$b8fea8c0@Allen1> http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-RAID-FAQ/x37.html I've used it before for RH 9 and it helped. Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Whitebox-users digest, Vol 1 #536 - 14 msgs > Send Whitebox-users mailing list submissions to > whitebox-users@beau.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > whitebox-users-request@beau.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Whitebox-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Raid 1 Software raid (Denis Croombs) > 2. Re: Yum Update issues (Johnny Hughes) > 3. Updates/Header Files (Samuel Lewis) > 4. (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) (Conor Wynne) > 5. Re: (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) (Conor Wynne) > 6. Re: Updates go away? (David Mir) > 7. Mirror list (christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de) > 8. Re: Raid 1 Software raid (Simone) > 9. Rsync Updates Organizing (David Mir) > 10. Re: Raid 1 Software raid (William Warren) > 11. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (Michiel van Es) > 12. Re: Raid 1 Software raid (Conor Wynne) > 13. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (William Hooper) > 14. WhiteBox and SATA (Vic) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Reply-To: > From: "Denis Croombs" > To: > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:53:22 -0000 > Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid > > Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of whitebox > as > I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. > > Thanks > > Denis > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Yum Update issues > From: Johnny Hughes > Reply-To: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com > To: WhiteBox Users > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:35:48 -0600 > > On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 07:33 +0100, Brian Ipsen wrote: > >> >> I've checked some od the sites, and it seems like the file header.info >> doesn't exist. Is this a problem with my yum configuration - or is it a >> problem on the mirrors ?? >> >> Regards, >> >> /Brian >> _______________________________________________ > > There is currently a major problem with most of the official mirrors ... > If you are new to the mailing list, look in the archives for the last > wee here: > > http://beau.org/pipermail/whitebox-users/2004-November/thread.html > > check these threads: > > - Updates go away? > > - problem with rsync script > > - yum mirror sites all dead? > > Some mirrors that I have verified that still work are: > > http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org/ > rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/whitebox/ > > http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/whitebox > ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/whitebox > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > From: Samuel Lewis > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:11:55 -0500 > Subject: [WBEL-users] Updates/Header Files > > I found that the Georgia Tech mirror is still up and working. However, > when I change my configuration to use that mirror (or any other mirror > other than NCSU), I get an error message indicating that the header > files cannot be found. > > What is the proper entry for the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file to > allow other mirrors to function? > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:16:39 -0000 (GMT) > From: "Conor Wynne" > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Reply-To: weeboy@conorwynne.com > Subject: [WBEL-users] (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) > > Hi all, > > I have an issue with sendmail (sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.1) > All mails originating from the server get the following status: > > [root@server root]# mailq > /var/spool/mqueue (4 requests) > -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- > ------------Sender/Recipient----------- > iAJBJqMr031864 0 Fri Nov 19 11:19 > (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) > > If we "dig mydomain.ie aaaa" or "dig mydomain.ie mx" or "dig mydomain.ie > a" > We get the appropriate response! > > e.g.: > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mydomain.ie a (or mx or aaaa) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58843 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > The only entries I changed in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc were as follows: > define(`SMART_HOST',`mailhost.otherdomain.ie') > > mailhost.otherdomain.ie has the mx record in mydomain.ie > > FYI: mailhost resolves via dnslookups. > The two other changes were as follows: > FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl > MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.ie')dnl > > In this config, all mails were waiting in /var/spool/clientmqueue > So we added a line as follows to /etc/mail/submit.cf > O DirectSubmissionModifiers=C > > This resulted in messages no longer being as dsn=4.4.3 stat=queued in > /var/log/maillog > > But subsequently we now get them being queued in /var/spool/mqueue. > > Help me Obi-Wan. > Regards > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:27:03 -0000 (GMT) > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) > From: "Conor Wynne" > To: weeboy@conorwynne.com > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Reply-To: weeboy@conorwynne.com > > I shall answer my own problem: > > I forgot to add the IPADDRESS of the DNS server in resolv.conf. > I had the FQDN instaed. > > Now I have more problems, but at least mails are now being delivered. > After lunch I'll ask again ;-0 > > > >> Hi all, >> >> I have an issue with sendmail (sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.1) >> All mails originating from the server get the following status: >> >> [root@server root]# mailq >> /var/spool/mqueue (4 requests) >> -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- >> ------------Sender/Recipient----------- >> iAJBJqMr031864 0 Fri Nov 19 11:19 >> (host map: lookup (mydomain.ie): deferred) >> >> If we "dig mydomain.ie aaaa" or "dig mydomain.ie mx" or "dig mydomain.ie >> a" >> We get the appropriate response! >> >> e.g.: >> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> mydomain.ie a (or mx or aaaa) >> ;; global options: printcmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58843 >> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 >> >> The only entries I changed in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc were as follows: >> define(`SMART_HOST',`mailhost.otherdomain.ie') >> >> mailhost.otherdomain.ie has the mx record in mydomain.ie >> >> FYI: mailhost resolves via dnslookups. >> The two other changes were as follows: >> FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl >> MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.ie')dnl >> >> In this config, all mails were waiting in /var/spool/clientmqueue >> So we added a line as follows to /etc/mail/submit.cf >> O DirectSubmissionModifiers=C >> >> This resulted in messages no longer being as dsn=4.4.3 stat=queued in >> /var/log/maillog >> >> But subsequently we now get them being queued in /var/spool/mqueue. >> >> Help me Obi-Wan. >> Regards >> >> -- >> Conor Wynne, >> Dublin, >> Irlande. >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: David Mir > Organization: --- > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Updates go away? > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:55:33 -0500 > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > > I did email ncsu and received a reply: > > =========================== > It should be fixed sometime next week. > > Elliot > =========================== > > On Thursday 18 November 2004 04:38 pm, Kirby C. Bohling wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 03:06:03PM -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: >> > Sorry if this has already been discussed, as I just joined the list >> > today. >> > >> > Has something happened to the various mirrors maintaining updates? I >> > attempted to up2date and received nothing but errors. In looking >> > around, it looks like the mirrors have stopped carrying the updates. >> > Any reason why? >> >> I'm not sure what precisely is going on. They we're down a >> couple of days ago. It looked like they came back yesterday, and >> they are gone again today. >> >> I have yet to see anyone post what they got as a reply from >> either the Whitebox folks (Vicki and John have been disturbingly >> silent on the issue), or from the people who run the NCSU mirror. >> So I'm not sure exactly where the problems are. I'd be fairly >> shocked if the NCSU mirror is having problems (they mirror a lot of >> stuff, I'd assume they have it fairly well automated). However, I >> have yet to hear any of the people from beau.org to say the where >> they believe the problem is. They sound pretty busy running a >> library. >> >> I've been bothered enough by this that I've been looking for >> WhiteBox alternatives, but unfortantely none of the alternatives >> make me happy enough to warrent a change (CentOS, TaoLinux, and >> Lineox all made my research list). E-mail me off list if you want >> to know my objections to each project. If you know of another >> alternative, e-mail me, again in private. I'm not hear to say bad >> things about any of the RHEL rebuilds. I just want to find one I am >> comfortable running at work. WBEL has been slowly slipping away >> from that status. I'll probably continue to run it at home, if only >> because I really like the helpful nature of this list. >> >> WhiteBox itself has been more then stable enough, it just seems >> that actually getting updates has been an ongoing battle literally >> from the first day I tried to use it. That's the problem with it >> being supported by a small public library. I greatly appreatiate >> it, and have nothing but good things to say, with the exception of >> availability of updates. I'm getting close to just rolling my own >> internally at my company just so I have some control over the >> process. >> >> Thanks, >> Kirby >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:38:26 +0100 > From: "christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de" > To: "whitebox-users@beau.org" > Subject: [WBEL-users] Mirror list > > Hi, > > is there a "worldwide" Mirror list aviable for WBEL? The mirrors on the > WBEL-site are all from US or New-Zeeland. I“m asking because its easyer > to get an overview about the mirrors out there and easyier to manage my > yum.conf especially for people in Europe like me. Two examples about > what i“m talking about can be found here [1] and here [2]. > > > [1] http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/redhat-mirror2.html > [2] http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > Regards, > > > Christian > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:51:39 +0100 > From: Simone > To: denis@just-servers.co.uk > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid > > This to get started: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html > > have a nice day > > Denis Croombs wrote: > >>Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of whitebox >>as >>I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. >> >>Thanks >> >>Denis >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Whitebox-users mailing list >>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> >> > > > > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Vuoi acquistare con sconti esclusivi? Con EmailConto Risparmio puoi > scontare fino al 20% i tuoi acquisti! > * Prova subito la convenienza cliccando qui. > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=837&d=19-11 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: David Mir > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:05 -0500 > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Organization: --- > Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing > > > Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it never > got > posted |-) . > > After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several servers > and > comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository packages > are > not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest fears in > choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. > Before I > start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very > grateful > and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. > > According to distrowatch: > Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > 1. White Box Enterprise Linux > 2. CentOS > 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > 4. Tao Linux > 5. Fermi Linux > > But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down the > keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. With all > these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! John > and > Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I should > have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this > list. > This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up RPMS. I, > for > one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time > to > compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to > propagate > to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up please > feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I think > what > we need is: > > 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an automated > process not "goto RH web site") > > 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported > platforms > > 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH > release? if it is not too much I would do it all) > > 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. > > If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add to the > list. > > > Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth (beside I > have > updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to switch). > > -- > David Mir > Sys Admin > mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:12:43 -0500 > From: William Warren > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid > > so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted > to mirroring ont he same drive? That defeats the purpose of > having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the > same drive. Correct me if i am wrong. Raid from what i know is > supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture > software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)? > > > Simone wrote: >> This to get started: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html >> >> >> have a nice day >> >> Denis Croombs wrote: >> >>> Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of >>> whitebox as >>> I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Denis >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>> Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Whitebox-users mailing list >>> Whitebox-users@beau.org >>> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f >> >> Sponsor: >> Vuoi acquistare con sconti esclusivi? Con EmailConto Risparmio puoi >> scontare fino al 20% i tuoi acquisti! >> * Prova subito la convenienza cliccando qui. >> Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=837&d=19-11 >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > > -- > My "Foundation" verse: > Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; > and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou > shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, > and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. > > -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:23:07 +0100 > From: Michiel van Es > To: David Mir > CC: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing > > > > David Mir wrote: >> Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it never >> got >> posted |-) . >> >> After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several servers >> and >> comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository packages >> are >> not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest fears >> in >> choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. >> Before I >> start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very >> grateful >> and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. >> >> According to distrowatch: >> Top 5 RHEL-based distributions >> 1. White Box Enterprise Linux >> 2. CentOS >> 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux >> 4. Tao Linux >> 5. Fermi Linux >> >> But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down the >> keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. With >> all >> these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! John >> and >> Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I >> should >> have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this >> list. >> This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up RPMS. I, >> for >> one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time >> to >> compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to >> propagate >> to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up >> please >> feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I think >> what >> we need is: >> >> 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an automated >> process not "goto RH web site") >> >> 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported >> platforms >> >> 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH >> release? if it is not too much I would do it all) >> >> 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. >> >> If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add to >> the >> list. >> >> >> Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth (beside I >> have >> updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to >> switch). >> > I 100% agree with you? > Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? > Why are there so much single points of failures? > Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum > repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of > White Box? > > Michiel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:28:15 -0000 (GMT) > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid > From: "Conor Wynne" > To: "William Warren" > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Reply-To: weeboy@conorwynne.com > > >> so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted >> to mirroring ont he same drive? That defeats the purpose of >> having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the >> same drive. Correct me if i am wrong. Raid from what i know is >> supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture >> software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)? > > You read it wrong - mind you, I have not read it either. > But I have RAID1's for _this_ server, and a RAID5 for my data on an > external storage box. > > Each RAID1 has two members, the RAID5 has three at the moment. > > -- > Conor Wynne, > Dublin, > Irlande. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:29:38 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing > From: "William Hooper" > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > > > David Mir said: > [snip] >> I, for >> one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time >> to compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to >> propagate to all the others. > > Feel free to set it up. However, judging from past threads about it, this > is not how John wants to handle "Official" WBEL updates. > > There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up their own repo and > getting other people to mirror it. > > -- > William Hooper > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:30:55 -0000 (GMT) > From: "Vic" > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Reply-To: whitebox@beer.org.uk > Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox and SATA > > Hi All. > > Sorry if I'm hashing over old ground here - I've not finished reading > through the archies yet (any chance of a search option there?). > > I'm specifying a server at the moment, and I'd like to run WB on it (I've > had a WB machine for a number of months now, and it's rather good, isn't > it?). But I've run out of IDE ports, and I'm toying with the idea of using > the SATA ports on the MoBo. > > At this point, I get rather nervous - I've not yet owned a SATA drive, > I've only ever seen one, and that had *loads* of problems[1]. Now from > what I've read, the chipset I'm planning on using (SiS 964) is supported > by libata, so I might be in luck... > > So - anyone tried anything like this? Any advice, other than > RTFM/RTFA/STFW? > > Ta! > > Vic. > > > [1] That'll teach him to use Windoze ;-) > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > End of Whitebox-users Digest > > From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 16:48:08 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:48:08 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> Message-ID: <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> Rex Dieter wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > >> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? >> Why are there so much single points of failures? >> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum >> repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of >> White Box? > > > FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen to > not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few times. > > -- Rex That sucks big time! Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? Sure I can deploy my own repisitory but I'm thinking 'bout all those people not knowing how to set it up and just run yum -y update and get all those nifty retrygrab errors.. Michiel From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 16:54:15 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:54:15 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> Message-ID: <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as is their right..:) Michiel van Es wrote: > > > David Mir wrote: > >> Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it >> never got >> posted |-) . >> >> After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several >> servers and >> comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository >> packages are >> not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest >> fears in >> choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. >> Before I >> start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very >> grateful >> and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. >> >> According to distrowatch: >> Top 5 RHEL-based distributions >> 1. White Box Enterprise Linux >> 2. CentOS >> 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux >> 4. Tao Linux >> 5. Fermi Linux >> >> But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down the >> keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. With >> all >> these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! >> John and >> Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I >> should >> have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this >> list. >> This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up RPMS. >> I, for >> one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway >> :-P)/server/time to >> compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to >> propagate >> to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up >> please >> feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I >> think what >> we need is: >> >> 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an automated >> process not "goto RH web site") >> >> 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported >> platforms >> >> 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH >> release? if it is not too much I would do it all) >> >> 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. >> >> If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add to >> the >> list. >> >> >> Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth (beside >> I have >> updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to >> switch). >> > I 100% agree with you? > Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? > Why are there so much single points of failures? > Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum > repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of > White Box? > > Michiel > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri Nov 19 16:53:02 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:53:02 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> Message-ID: <419E24EE.2000705@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> > FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen to > not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few times. Random thoughts: Before, when I was given a project to do with someone else, I would get nervous. Nervous that they wouldn't do it the way that I wanted to, or wouldn't do as good of a job. I wonder if this is why offers for help have been ignored. Maybe it's the Pandora's Box of managing it all when you open it out to the world. I wish that the maintainers would at least let us know what they're thinking. Instead of us speculating all the time, they could either say "sod off", or "Let's talk about a way to improve the system". -- e r i k w i l l i a m s o n erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 16:51:56 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:51:56 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirroed across to as econd 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able to get it rofl.. btw the 80 gig drive is not bootable. William Hooper wrote: > William Warren said: > >>so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to >>mirroring ont he same drive? > > > No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one drive." > Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple software RAID > partitions. > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 17:08:18 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:08:18 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <419E2882.1000208@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirrored across to a second 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able to get it. I apologize for my atrocious typing..i really need to slow down. William Warren wrote: > ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirroed across to as > econd 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able to get it > rofl.. > > btw the 80 gig drive is not bootable. > > William Hooper wrote: > >> William Warren said: >> >>> so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to >>> mirroring ont he same drive? >> >> >> >> No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one >> drive." Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple >> software RAID >> partitions. >> > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From kbohling@birddog.com Fri Nov 19 17:08:19 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:08:19 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20041119170819.GH11214@hawk.birddog.com> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 11:51:56AM -0500, William Warren wrote: > ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirroed across to > as econd 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able > to get it rofl.. > > btw the 80 gig drive is not bootable. Well, that's difficult. It's very difficult to setup a mirror of an existing drive (I don't know of any tools that will do it for you). In theory, and only in theory, there should be a way to shrink the filesystem you are working on (so there is enough room at the end of the partition to put the RAID metadata), change the partition type to (fd). Then partition the other drive exactly the same and then use the mdadm tools to force them to raid together. However, that's a really good way to lose your data. I've never seen it done before, but it should be possible to do. The metadata on a Linux software RAID is stored in the last 128K of the partition (technically speaking, I believe it's stored in the last full 64K block, which means it can't be any longer then 128K). If the drives aren't identical in geometry, this might be a problem (I've always partitioned my drives about 1% smaller then they are to ensure that this isn't a problem when I'm buying replacement drives, it really sucks to get a replacement drive that is 4 blocks (2k) sort of letting you rebuild the mirror). In the end, shuffle all the data off the disks. Build a fresh mirror. Shuffle the data back onto the disks. As long as you have the spare drive space, it's relatively easy to do. Kirby > > William Hooper wrote: > > >William Warren said: > > > >>so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to > >>mirroring ont he same drive? > > > > > >No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one drive." > >Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple software RAID > >partitions. > > > > -- > My "Foundation" verse: > Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; > and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou > shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, > and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. > > -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 17:21:23 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:21:23 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> William Warren wrote: > They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as is > their right..:) > a) try to reply under the quote b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and is a community based. When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I can expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. I can say :'yeah..yeah..f*ck off' or I can say (being a reasonable person and understanding the power of a open source community): 'I couls ude some help fixing it..would you liek to help me? That's where the problem is.. Michiel > Michiel van Es wrote: > >> >> >> David Mir wrote: >> >>> Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it >>> never got >>> posted |-) . >>> >>> After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several >>> servers and >>> comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository >>> packages are >>> not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest >>> fears in >>> choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. >>> Before I >>> start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very >>> grateful >>> and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. >>> >>> According to distrowatch: >>> Top 5 RHEL-based distributions >>> 1. White Box Enterprise Linux >>> 2. CentOS >>> 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux >>> 4. Tao Linux >>> 5. Fermi Linux >>> >>> But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down >>> the >>> keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. >>> With all >>> these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! >>> John and >>> Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I >>> should >>> have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this >>> list. >>> This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up >>> RPMS. I, for >>> one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway >>> :-P)/server/time to >>> compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to >>> propagate >>> to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up >>> please >>> feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I >>> think what >>> we need is: >>> >>> 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an >>> automated >>> process not "goto RH web site") >>> >>> 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported >>> platforms >>> >>> 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH >>> release? if it is not too much I would do it all) >>> >>> 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. >>> >>> If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add >>> to the >>> list. >>> >>> >>> Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth >>> (beside I have >>> updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to >>> switch). >>> >> I 100% agree with you? >> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? >> Why are there so much single points of failures? >> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum >> repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of >> White Box? >> >> Michiel >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > From whitebox@beer.org.uk Fri Nov 19 17:27:12 2004 From: whitebox@beer.org.uk (Vic) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:27:12 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> Message-ID: <55983.10.0.0.4.1100885232.squirrel@hobgoblin> > b) it is NOT their right Of course it's their right. Their time, their resources - their right to determine what they want to do. > 'cause the whole product is Open Source and is > a community based. Open Source - yes. You can go get the source if you want, and so can I. Community based? Where was that promised, then? Vic. From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 17:28:06 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:28:06 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> Message-ID: <200411191228.06764.mir@soartech.com> Thats fine, I can start my own whitebox updates, again my main objective was to keep updates not to bad mouth john or vikki. What I was getting at is, open-source is about community help. So instead of trying over and over again, and though I would enjoy the learning process, I don't have the time right now (or at least it would take me A LOT longer) to set-up the updates. So the second part of the original email was if anyone knows how to do this or at least (can write||have time to write||already has) the scripts to at least download the SRPMS, or compile w/options, etc. to release these to the community. On Friday 19 November 2004 11:48 am, Michiel van Es wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > >> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? > >> Why are there so much single points of failures? > >> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum > >> repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of > >> White Box? > > > > FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen to > > not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few times. > > > > -- Rex > > That sucks big time! > Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? > Sure I can deploy my own repisitory but I'm thinking 'bout all those > people not knowing how to set it up and just run yum -y update and get > all those nifty retrygrab errors.. > > Michiel > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From dave@58ghz.net Fri Nov 19 17:32:01 2004 From: dave@58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:32:01 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> Message-ID: <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Again, I would stop screaming abouts "Rights". I would thank John and the Parish Library for all there hard work. I would also say that if you are that unhappy, and since you obviously have all the answers, grab the source code and get "Beige Box" Linux up and running... Nothing is stopping you from doing that. On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:21, Michiel van Es wrote: > William Warren wrote: > > They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as is > > their right..:) > > > > a) try to reply under the quote > b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and is > a community based. > When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I can > expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. > > I can say :'yeah..yeah..f*ck off' or I can say (being a reasonable > person and understanding the power of a open source community): 'I couls > ude some help fixing it..would you liek to help me? > > That's where the problem is.. > > Michiel > > > Michiel van Es wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> David Mir wrote: > >> > >>> Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it > >>> never got > >>> posted |-) . > >>> > >>> After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several > >>> servers and > >>> comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository > >>> packages are > >>> not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest > >>> fears in > >>> choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. > >>> Before I > >>> start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very > >>> grateful > >>> and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. > >>> > >>> According to distrowatch: > >>> Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > >>> 1. White Box Enterprise Linux > >>> 2. CentOS > >>> 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > >>> 4. Tao Linux > >>> 5. Fermi Linux > >>> > >>> But all these other distros have the updated packages, again put down > >>> the > >>> keyboard and stop the flame reply, I'm getting to my point soon. > >>> With all > >>> these people using this distro, there should be no excuse for this! > >>> John and > >>> Vikki can't be expected to do this all by themselves. Yes I know I > >>> should > >>> have posted this to the dev list but I think more people look at this > >>> list. > >>> This is the time to create a structure to have the users set up > >>> RPMS. I, for > >>> one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway > >>> :-P)/server/time to > >>> compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to > >>> propagate > >>> to all the others. So if anyone knows the best way to set this up > >>> please > >>> feel free to post this, it would save me the time to find out. I > >>> think what > >>> we need is: > >>> > >>> 1) Easiest way to get new released SRPMS for RHEL (obviously an > >>> automated > >>> process not "goto RH web site") > >>> > >>> 2) Automated way for compiling SRPMS and for the different supported > >>> platforms > >>> > >>> 3) Way to keep track who has what SRPMS (I mean how many SRPMS does RH > >>> release? if it is not too much I would do it all) > >>> > >>> 4) Testing and QA on RPMS also Checksum sig etc. > >>> > >>> If anyone else thinks other things should be added feel free to add > >>> to the > >>> list. > >>> > >>> > >>> Again I'm just here to make the distro better not to bad mouth > >>> (beside I have > >>> updated about 20 workstations to whitebox I would hate to have to > >>> switch). > >>> > >> I 100% agree with you? > >> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? > >> Why are there so much single points of failures? > >> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum > >> repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of > >> White Box? > >> > >> Michiel > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Whitebox-users mailing list > >> Whitebox-users@beau.org > >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- Open Source Information Systems (OSIS) Dave J. Hala Jr. 641.485.1606 From Tony.Hoffmann@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Fri Nov 19 17:36:13 2004 From: Tony.Hoffmann@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Hoffmann, Tony) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:13 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] LSI SATA 150-6 Message-ID: I would agree with this evaluation. we've been seeing at least 30MB/s write and 50MB/s read in a raid5 config with write-back and adaptive readahead activated. We have plugged in a 64bit/66MHz slot on a mainboard from Supermicro. My only complaint is no individual headers for disk activity LEDs. Tony -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org]On Behalf Of Nick Bright Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:11 PM To: Aly Dharshi Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] LSI SATA 150-6 The card works excellently, with the stock megaraid.o driver that every other MegaRAID product uses. I am quite satisified with performance and compability. As well, the acompanying management software is pretty good. Two thumbs up for this card. My test of the card was in my Del 1600SC (dual Xeon 2Ghz, 2Gb RAM) in a PCI-X slot I used six Seagate 80GB drives (Model ST380013AS) In RAID 5, DirectIO caching, & Adaptive Read ahead the performance was a bit better than a single IBM UltraStar 18Gb 10,000 RPM Ultra 160 drive. I can post some bonnie++ benchmark results if there is interest. Sustained writes of a 4Gb file (at 1Mb and 4Kb block sizes) resulted in 35Mb/sec write speeds. time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=4k count=1048576 and time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024k count=4096 were used to attain that result. - Nick Aly Dharshi wrote: > No clue, but do let us know of your results, maybe I can be persuaded > to by it :) > > Cheers, > > Aly. > > Nick Bright wrote: > >> I'm buying an LSI SATA 150-6 (6 channel sata raid), and was wondering if >> anyone had tried using one of these with whitebox? I know it's >> supported, but I was wondering what someones results of actually using >> it are? >> >> > _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 17:36:25 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> Message-ID: <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> Michiel van Es said: [snip] > That sucks big time! > Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? http://whiteboxlinux.org/ "White Box Linux's initial creation has been sponsored by the Beauregard Parish Public Library in DeRidder, LA USA out of self interest." Who says anything about "COMMUNITY"? The library decided to do a rebuild of the publically available RPMs for their use, and to provide a copy of it to the world. End of story. If you don't like how Whitebox is managed (which is your right), then there are other rebuild projects that may better suit your style. If I were John, everyone yelling at me would make me more likely to shut off the main mirror and just keep the work I did for myself. Luckily, I'm not John. -- William Hooper From aly.dharshi@telus.net Fri Nov 19 17:45:26 2004 From: aly.dharshi@telus.net (Aly Dharshi) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:45:26 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E24EE.2000705@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E24EE.2000705@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <419E3136.3050803@telus.net> Hi Folks, I think that the maintainers want to have a release similar to RedHat's EL. But the thing is that users - like ourselves - who are using WBEL to drive Sun Ray's, we have to have software that some end users - even though they are sysadmins - would like. Like having a recent version of rdesktop, gaim, as these are, not surprisingly, useful tools for us to use as part of our work. Might I suggest that we get a central server where people who have rolled update rpm's for various software (like XFce for instance) for WBEL can place, users test, if its ninja solid, we push them out to mirrors, so have a testing, stable, unstable sort of directory structure. People can mirror stable or all three. Its just a matter of co-ordination and someone saying I will do this and the rest say okay ABC do it we will pull the stuff off your system and mirror it and make it available for others. What say others ? Cheers, Aly. > Random thoughts: > > Before, when I was given a project to do with someone else, I would get > nervous. Nervous that they wouldn't do it the way that I wanted to, or > wouldn't do as good of a job. I wonder if this is why offers for help > have been ignored. > > Maybe it's the Pandora's Box of managing it all when you open it out to > the world. > > I wish that the maintainers would at least let us know what they're > thinking. Instead of us speculating all the time, they could either say > "sod off", or "Let's talk about a way to improve the system". > -- Aly Dharshi aly.dharshi@telus.net "A good speech is like a good dress that's short enough to be interesting and long enough to cover the subject" From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 17:52:13 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:52:13 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> Message-ID: <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: > Again, I would stop screaming abouts "Rights". I would thank John and > the Parish Library for all there hard work. Sure I do..I am more than happy about the WhiteBox distro EXCEPT about their updates and their failover network for updates. I do not think you have to say B if you say A. You can not make/fix a distro and leave the other important things beside you . Especially if a lot of people have offered their help to fix the updates or providing bandwith. A call not being answered by John..(correct me if I'm wrong). > > I would also say that if you are that unhappy, and since you obviously > have all the answers, grab the source code and get "Beige Box" Linux up > and running... I do have th answers: make a plan fot the updates. Provide failover and fix your number 1 product. Delegate permissions/responsibality to other people so there is no single point of failure. I would ,as a developer/starter of project, think about the consequenses of starting it and what I leave behind. Off cource I'm free to deliver a half broken product and take no responsibility at all. But if I'm a good maintainer/developer I will at least give people to freedom to help my project if I'm stuck/to busy. > > Nothing is stopping you from doing that. I can not ftp to the Whitebox website. If you can provide me the BOFH permissions I will set up a new start for the WhiteBox community? Doing it myself? No..delegating it to other people who are willing to help me out. That's the power of a open source community. Michiel > > > > > On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:21, Michiel van Es wrote: > >>William Warren wrote: >> >>>They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as is >>>their right..:) >>> >> >>a) try to reply under the quote >>b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and is >>a community based. >>When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I can >>expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. >> >>I can say :'yeah..yeah..f*ck off' or I can say (being a reasonable >>person and understanding the power of a open source community): 'I couls >>ude some help fixing it..would you liek to help me? >> >>That's where the problem is.. >> >>Michiel >> >> > From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 17:54:25 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:54:25 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <419E3351.5010004@info.nl> William Hooper wrote: > Michiel van Es said: > [snip] > >>That sucks big time! >>Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? > > > http://whiteboxlinux.org/ > "White Box Linux's initial creation has been sponsored by the Beauregard > Parish Public Library in DeRidder, LA USA out of self interest." > > Who says anything about "COMMUNITY"? The library decided to do a rebuild > of the publically available RPMs for their use, and to provide a copy of > it to the world. End of story. If you don't like how Whitebox is managed > (which is your right), then there are other rebuild projects that may > better suit your style. If I were John, everyone yelling at me would make > me more likely to shut off the main mirror and just keep the work I did > for myself. Luckily, I'm not John. > I understand but where is the freedom/acceptance to allow people to speak their mind and hear their complains about his product? There have been many times people offered help for maintaining the updates..all unanswered.. That's my complain/problem with Whitebox and it's maintainers. M. From whitebox@beer.org.uk Fri Nov 19 17:57:12 2004 From: whitebox@beer.org.uk (Vic) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:57:12 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> Message-ID: <56433.10.0.0.4.1100887032.squirrel@hobgoblin> >> Nothing is stopping you from doing that. > > I can not ftp to the Whitebox website. ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS Enjoy ;-) Vic. From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 18:07:11 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:11 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <20041119170819.GH11214@hawk.birddog.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20041119170819.GH11214@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <419E364F.402@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> i should have clarified..i back up the drive to dvd's every so often. I would do the same so wiping hte partition IS an option..:) Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 11:51:56AM -0500, William Warren wrote: > >>ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirroed across to >>as econd 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able >>to get it rofl.. >> >>btw the 80 gig drive is not bootable. > > > Well, that's difficult. It's very difficult to setup a mirror > of an existing drive (I don't know of any tools that will do it for > you). > > In theory, and only in theory, there should be a way to shrink > the filesystem you are working on (so there is enough room at the > end of the partition to put the RAID metadata), change the partition > type to (fd). Then partition the other drive exactly the same and > then use the mdadm tools to force them to raid together. > > However, that's a really good way to lose your data. I've never > seen it done before, but it should be possible to do. The metadata > on a Linux software RAID is stored in the last 128K of the > partition (technically speaking, I believe it's stored in the last > full 64K block, which means it can't be any longer then 128K). If > the drives aren't identical in geometry, this might be a problem > (I've always partitioned my drives about 1% smaller then they are to > ensure that this isn't a problem when I'm buying replacement drives, > it really sucks to get a replacement drive that is 4 blocks (2k) > sort of letting you rebuild the mirror). > > In the end, shuffle all the data off the disks. Build a fresh > mirror. Shuffle the data back onto the disks. As long as you have > the spare drive space, it's relatively easy to do. > > Kirby > > > >>William Hooper wrote: >> >> >>>William Warren said: >>> >>> >>>>so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to >>>>mirroring ont he same drive? >>> >>> >>>No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one drive." >>>Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple software RAID >>>partitions. >>> >> >>-- >>My "Foundation" verse: >>Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; >>and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou >>shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, >>and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. >> >>-- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" >>_______________________________________________ >>Whitebox-users mailing list >>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 18:07:59 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:59 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <200411191307.59203.mir@soartech.com> Listen, I think what he means is that the WhiteBox users are a community Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913] Community \Com*mu"ni*ty\, n.; pl. Communities. [L. communitas: cf. OF. communit['e]. Cf. Commonalty, and see Common.] 1. Common possession or enjoyment; participation; as, a community of goods. So no one saying that john and vikki are responsible, there is no need to point fingers. Some of us (and I believe as more people start noticing, most of us) don't like updates disappearing from the main distro server (ncsu.edu). So those of us are using the mailing list for users (your looking at it) to communicate to start keeping updates .... up to date! With or without john/vikki (no offense if they don't have time, they don't have time which is fine). So lets drop the "if you don't like it leave.." garbage, if you don't want to contribute stop reading this thread. For those who want to get together lets do it and start this thing. On Friday 19 November 2004 12:36 pm, William Hooper wrote: > Michiel van Es said: > [snip] > > > That sucks big time! > > Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? > > http://whiteboxlinux.org/ > "White Box Linux's initial creation has been sponsored by the Beauregard > Parish Public Library in DeRidder, LA USA out of self interest." > > Who says anything about "COMMUNITY"? The library decided to do a rebuild > of the publically available RPMs for their use, and to provide a copy of > it to the world. End of story. If you don't like how Whitebox is managed > (which is your right), then there are other rebuild projects that may > better suit your style. If I were John, everyone yelling at me would make > me more likely to shut off the main mirror and just keep the work I did > for myself. Luckily, I'm not John. -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Fri Nov 19 18:10:46 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:10:46 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> Message-ID: <419E3726.1080406@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Nowhere on whitebox's site does it mention they did this for the community. They did it for themselves and made the source public as per the GPL and RHEL redistribution agreement. So if you want true community..make one..do not expect the folks at the library to go beyond their stated objective. Michiel van Es wrote: > > Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: > >> Again, I would stop screaming abouts "Rights". I would thank John and >> the Parish Library for all there hard work. > > > Sure I do..I am more than happy about the WhiteBox distro EXCEPT about > their updates and their failover network for updates. > I do not think you have to say B if you say A. > You can not make/fix a distro and leave the other important things > beside you . > Especially if a lot of people have offered their help to fix the updates > or providing bandwith. > A call not being answered by John..(correct me if I'm wrong). > >> >> I would also say that if you are that unhappy, and since you obviously >> have all the answers, grab the source code and get "Beige Box" Linux up >> and running... > > > I do have th answers: > make a plan fot the updates. > Provide failover and fix your number 1 product. > Delegate permissions/responsibality to other people so there is no > single point of failure. > > I would ,as a developer/starter of project, think about the consequenses > of starting it and what I leave behind. > Off cource I'm free to deliver a half broken product and take no > responsibility at all. > But if I'm a good maintainer/developer I will at least give people to > freedom to help my project if I'm stuck/to busy. > >> >> Nothing is stopping you from doing that. > > > I can not ftp to the Whitebox website. > If you can provide me the BOFH permissions I will set up a new start for > the WhiteBox community? > Doing it myself? > No..delegating it to other people who are willing to help me out. > That's the power of a open source community. > > Michiel > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:21, Michiel van Es wrote: >> >>> William Warren wrote: >>> >>>> They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as >>>> is their right..:) >>>> >>> >>> a) try to reply under the quote >>> b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and >>> is a community based. >>> When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I >>> can expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. >>> >>> I can say :'yeah..yeah..f*ck off' or I can say (being a reasonable >>> person and understanding the power of a open source community): 'I >>> couls ude some help fixing it..would you liek to help me? >>> >>> That's where the problem is.. >>> >>> Michiel >>> >>> >> > > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 18:10:19 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:10:19 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <56433.10.0.0.4.1100887032.squirrel@hobgoblin> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> <56433.10.0.0.4.1100887032.squirrel@hobgoblin> Message-ID: <419E370B.3050804@info.nl> Vic wrote: >>>Nothing is stopping you from doing that. >> >>I can not ftp to the Whitebox website. > > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS > > Enjoy ;-) > > Vic. > Why would I start from the beginning. the distro is there..now the updates..give me ftp access to the updates folder and I'll will do my best to provide up2date updates.. Again, I know I can build my own SRPMS, but I want to provide them to ohter people who are using Whitebox... Michiel. From kbohling@birddog.com Fri Nov 19 18:15:29 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:15:29 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E364F.402@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411190953.iAJ9rWW14823@sentry.3d-computers.co.uk> <419E168B.80909@email.it> <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1708.12.29.16.103.1100882155.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E24AC.1010403@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <20041119170819.GH11214@hawk.birddog.com> <419E364F.402@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20041119181529.GK11214@hawk.birddog.com> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 01:07:11PM -0500, William Warren wrote: > i should have clarified..i back up the drive to dvd's every so > often. I would do the same so wiping hte partition IS an option..:) # fdisk /dev/hdX # fdisk /dev/hdY (Change the partitions types to "fd"). # mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l raid1 -n 2 /dev/hdX1 /dev/hdY1 Change X and Y to be the correct respective partitions. # mke2fs -j /dev/md0 # mount /dev/md0 /mnt Restore the drives, setup /etc/fstab so it mounts where you want. Then you probably want to go readup on how to setup /etc/mdadm.conf. If you are planning to use this as your / or /boot you probably have to rebuild your initrd. Thanks, Kirby > > Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > > >On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 11:51:56AM -0500, William Warren wrote: > > > >>ok..so how would i make my current 80 gig drive mirroed across to > >>as econd 80 gig drive? I have tried various docs and am not able > >>to get it rofl.. > >> > >>btw the 80 gig drive is not bootable. > > > > > > Well, that's difficult. It's very difficult to setup a mirror > >of an existing drive (I don't know of any tools that will do it for > >you). > > > > In theory, and only in theory, there should be a way to shrink > >the filesystem you are working on (so there is enough room at the > >end of the partition to put the RAID metadata), change the partition > >type to (fd). Then partition the other drive exactly the same and > >then use the mdadm tools to force them to raid together. > > > > However, that's a really good way to lose your data. I've never > >seen it done before, but it should be possible to do. The metadata > >on a Linux software RAID is stored in the last 128K of the > >partition (technically speaking, I believe it's stored in the last > >full 64K block, which means it can't be any longer then 128K). If > >the drives aren't identical in geometry, this might be a problem > >(I've always partitioned my drives about 1% smaller then they are to > >ensure that this isn't a problem when I'm buying replacement drives, > >it really sucks to get a replacement drive that is 4 blocks (2k) > >sort of letting you rebuild the mirror). > > > > In the end, shuffle all the data off the disks. Build a fresh > >mirror. Shuffle the data back onto the disks. As long as you have > >the spare drive space, it's relatively easy to do. > > > > Kirby > > > > > > > >>William Hooper wrote: > >> > >> > >>>William Warren said: > >>> > >>> > >>>>so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to > >>>>mirroring ont he same drive? > >>> > >>> > >>>No, it says "A software RAID partition must be constrained to one > >>>drive." Keep reading. You create a RAID device out of multiple software > >>>RAID > >>>partitions. > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>My "Foundation" verse: > >>Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; > >>and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou > >>shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, > >>and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. > >> > >>-- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Whitebox-users mailing list > >>Whitebox-users@beau.org > >>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > >> > > > > > > -- > My "Foundation" verse: > Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; > and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou > shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, > and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. > > -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 18:20:28 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:20:28 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E3726.1080406@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> <1100885521.2606.33.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <419E32CD.2090501@info.nl> <419E3726.1080406@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <419E396C.3040601@info.nl> William Warren wrote: > Nowhere on whitebox's site does it mention they did this for the > community. They did it for themselves and made the source public as per > the GPL and RHEL redistribution agreement. So if you want true > community..make one..do not expect the folks at the library to go beyond > their stated objective. > > I know..I'm just pointing that it would be nice if they took more repsonsibility in the updates process.. M. > Michiel van Es wrote: > >> >> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote: >> >>> Again, I would stop screaming abouts "Rights". I would thank John and >>> the Parish Library for all there hard work. >> >> >> >> Sure I do..I am more than happy about the WhiteBox distro EXCEPT about >> their updates and their failover network for updates. >> I do not think you have to say B if you say A. >> You can not make/fix a distro and leave the other important things >> beside you . >> Especially if a lot of people have offered their help to fix the >> updates or providing bandwith. >> A call not being answered by John..(correct me if I'm wrong). >> >>> >>> I would also say that if you are that unhappy, and since you obviously >>> have all the answers, grab the source code and get "Beige Box" Linux up >>> and running... >> >> >> >> I do have th answers: >> make a plan fot the updates. >> Provide failover and fix your number 1 product. >> Delegate permissions/responsibality to other people so there is no >> single point of failure. >> >> I would ,as a developer/starter of project, think about the >> consequenses of starting it and what I leave behind. >> Off cource I'm free to deliver a half broken product and take no >> responsibility at all. >> But if I'm a good maintainer/developer I will at least give people to >> freedom to help my project if I'm stuck/to busy. >> >>> >>> Nothing is stopping you from doing that. >> >> >> >> I can not ftp to the Whitebox website. >> If you can provide me the BOFH permissions I will set up a new start >> for the WhiteBox community? >> Doing it myself? >> No..delegating it to other people who are willing to help me out. >> That's the power of a open source community. >> >> Michiel >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:21, Michiel van Es wrote: >>> >>>> William Warren wrote: >>>> >>>>> They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not >>>>> to..as is their right..:) >>>>> >>>> >>>> a) try to reply under the quote >>>> b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and >>>> is a community based. >>>> When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I >>>> can expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. >>>> >>>> I can say :'yeah..yeah..f*ck off' or I can say (being a reasonable >>>> person and understanding the power of a open source community): 'I >>>> couls ude some help fixing it..would you liek to help me? >>>> >>>> That's where the problem is.. >>>> >>>> Michiel >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > From rdieter@math.unl.edu Fri Nov 19 18:20:36 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:20:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > > Rex Dieter wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: >> >>> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? >>> Why are there so much single points of failures? >>> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a yum >>> repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the maintainer of >>> White Box? >> >> >> FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen to >> not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few times. > That sucks big time! > Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? Not. -- Rex From Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov Fri Nov 19 18:21:41 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:21:41 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox and SATA In-Reply-To: <55210.10.0.0.4.1100881855.squirrel@hobgoblin> References: <55210.10.0.0.4.1100881855.squirrel@hobgoblin> Message-ID: <1100888502.20220.106.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 16:30 +0000, Vic wrote: > Hi All. > > Sorry if I'm hashing over old ground here - I've not finished reading > through the archies yet (any chance of a search option there?). Go to http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.whitebox.user. Select "On the web, using frames and threads". Type a search term (e.g. sata) in the little green box at the bottom of the page. Phil From michiele@info.nl Fri Nov 19 18:22:43 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:22:43 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> Message-ID: <419E39F3.20603@info.nl> Rex Dieter wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: > >> >> Rex Dieter wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Michiel van Es wrote: >>> >>>> Why aren't there any plans for Whitebox like distributing the updates? >>>> Why are there so much single points of failures? >>>> Cann't most of these task (rebuilding the source rpm's,providing a >>>> yum repository) be delegated to other people EXCEPT for the >>>> maintainer of White Box? >>> >>> >>> >>> FYI, the whitebox developers (John,Vicky, et-al) have (so far) chosen >>> to not accept any outside help, despite it being offerred quite a few >>> times. > > >> That sucks big time! >> Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? > > > Not. Oh ..if so..who is providing the feedback for broken packages and offering their help to keep the updates up2date? M. > > -- Rex From Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com Fri Nov 19 18:32:11 2004 From: Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:32:11 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid In-Reply-To: <419E1B7B.8010103@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0065D33C85256F51_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" No, that is not correct. If you look at the documentation, it talks about limiting your partitions you create to a single drive when you create them. If you don't, disk druid puts the partitions where it thinks they ought to go. I think that may be your confusion. Just create RAID partitions on both drives, and bind the partitions to the RAID devices later on in the process. ========================= Scott Mace Security Administrator Travelcenters of America 440-808-4318 mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com ========================= William Warren Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/19/2004 11:12 AM To whitebox-users@beau.org cc Subject Re: [WBEL-users] Raid 1 Software raid so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted to mirroring ont he same drive? That defeats the purpose of having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the same drive. Correct me if i am wrong. Raid from what i know is supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)? Simone wrote: > This to get started: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html > > > have a nice day > > Denis Croombs wrote: > >> Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of >> whitebox as >> I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it. >> >> Thanks >> >> Denis >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> >> > > > > -- > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Vuoi acquistare con sconti esclusivi? 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No, that is not correct.  If you look at the documentation, it talks about limiting your partitions you create to a single drive when you create them.  If you don't, disk druid puts the partitions where it thinks they ought to go.  I think that may be your confusion.  Just create RAID partitions on both drives, and bind the partitions to the RAID devices later on in the process.

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so if i read this correctly..software raid in linux is restricted
to mirroring ont he same drive?  That defeats the purpose of
having Raid then..that is not Raid that is imply mirroring on the
same drive.  Correct me if i am wrong.  Raid from what i know is
supposed to be across multiple disks..how do you make a ture
software Raid span across multiple disks(as per Raid 1 and Raid 5)?


Simone wrote:
> This to get started:
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> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-software-raid.html
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> have a nice day
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> Denis Croombs wrote:
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>> Is there a quick howto for software Raid 1 during the install of
>> whitebox as
>> I have never needed to do this before and cannot find out how to do it.
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>> Thanks
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>> Denis
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>> ---
>> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>> Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004
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>> Whitebox-users@beau.org
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--=_alternative 0065D33C85256F51_=-- From rramstad@alum.mit.edu Fri Nov 19 18:44:12 2004 From: rramstad@alum.mit.edu (Bob Ramstad) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:44:12 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community Message-ID: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> Hi there. The subject line may be a bit strong, but I think we've got a bit of a cultural issue here. Personally, I don't want a community which contributes updates and what not. I want a centralized single point from which all updates come from. I want to know that WBEL is stable, and this is critical to me, much more so than getting updates quickly. It is precisely the strong central control that attracts me to WBEL. If I wanted community involvement with thousands of optional RPMs and competing versions of things, I'd use a different distro. Now, of course this mailing list is nice in terms of exchanging information, pointers, tips and stuff like that... and so in that sense a WBEL community is a good worthwhile thing. Also of course, the current situation in regards to mirrors and timely access to updates is suboptimal. That said, I don't see any benefit to be gained from having random members of the community rolling their own RPMs and effectively forking WBEL. If you want to do it, go ahead, but I'm sure I won't be the only one who ignores it and waits for real WBEL RPMs instead. -- Bob From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 18:53:20 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:53:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <200411191307.59203.mir@soartech.com> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> <200411191307.59203.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: <4394.12.29.16.103.1100890400.squirrel@whooper.org> David Mir said: > > Some of us (and I believe as more people start noticing, > most of us) don't like updates disappearing from the main distro server > (ncsu.edu). ncsu.edu isn't the main distro server, it just happens to be one a number of people use. > So those of us are using the mailing list for users (your > looking at it) to communicate to start keeping updates .... up to date! > With > or without john/vikki (no offense if they don't have time, they don't have > time which is fine). So lets drop the "if you don't like it leave.." > garbage, Why? If you don't like how Whitebox is managed there are many other rebuilds out there. I'm sure you can find one that will do what you want. Why should Whitebox have to conform to what you want it to be? It isn't your project. Look at it another way: 1) WBEL is for the library 2) John knows if he rebuilds and tests the updates, they will work for the library 3) If anyone else can get some use from the updates, good. If not, oh well. I don't know jack about you or why I should trust you to build updates. > if you don't want to contribute stop reading this thread. For > those who want to get together lets do it and start this thing. Having seen a bunch of these threads in the past, I would say "put up or shut up". Either get your group together to do what you want them to do (as you say above, without it being "Official"), or quit complaining about it on this list. The best way to convince people is to already have something in place, not just talk about it over and over. To take my own advice, I will now shut up about it. -- William Hooper From slewis@complaw.com Fri Nov 19 18:56:05 2004 From: slewis@complaw.com (Samuel Lewis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:56:05 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. It would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being timely released, then people could volunteer to download the source from RedHat, build it, and provide the build to a central control, who could then test and verify the build. At least that will save the central control the task of having to download and build the rpms. On Nov 19, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Bob Ramstad wrote: > Hi there. > > The subject line may be a bit strong, but I think we've got a bit of a > cultural issue here. > > Personally, I don't want a community which contributes updates and > what not. I want a centralized single point from which all updates > come from. I want to know that WBEL is stable, and this is critical > to me, much more so than getting updates quickly. > > It is precisely the strong central control that attracts me to WBEL. > > If I wanted community involvement with thousands of optional RPMs and > competing versions of things, I'd use a different distro. > > Now, of course this mailing list is nice in terms of exchanging > information, pointers, tips and stuff like that... and so in that > sense a WBEL community is a good worthwhile thing. > > Also of course, the current situation in regards to mirrors and timely > access to updates is suboptimal. > > That said, I don't see any benefit to be gained from having random > members of the community rolling their own RPMs and effectively > forking WBEL. If you want to do it, go ahead, but I'm sure I won't be > the only one who ignores it and waits for real WBEL RPMs instead. > > -- Bob > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From subsolar@subsolar.org Fri Nov 19 19:02:14 2004 From: subsolar@subsolar.org (Paul) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:14 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <1251.12.29.16.103.1100881778.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <1251.12.29.16.103.1100881778.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1100890934.4208.9.camel@azure> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:29 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > David Mir said: > [snip] > > I, for > > one, volunteer my services/bandwidth(cable modem anyway :-P)/server/time > > to compile the packages and upload them to a central rsync server to > > propagate to all the others. > > Feel free to set it up. However, judging from past threads about it, this > is not how John wants to handle "Official" WBEL updates. It's pretty much up to what John/Vikki want and managing multiple contributors may end up being more work for John than doing it himself. It may be better in the longer term for WBEL if there were more people involved so updates could get propagated quicker, but it's up to beau to for that to happen. > There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up their own repo and > getting other people to mirror it. Or using CentOS which is organized along the lines of the original poster. One thing I'm pretty sure of is the community at this point does not need yet another repackaged RHEL based distro. Regards, Paul Berger From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 19:03:30 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:03:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382.12.29.16.103.1100891010.squirrel@whooper.org> Samuel Lewis said: > With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control > while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. Why does it have to live at whiteboxlinux.org? > It > would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being timely > released, then people could volunteer to download the source from RedHat, > build it, and provide the build to a central control, who could then test > and verify the build. At least that will save the central control the > task of having to download and build the rpms. Do it. -- William Hooper From rramstad@alum.mit.edu Fri Nov 19 19:06:07 2004 From: rramstad@alum.mit.edu (Bob Ramstad) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:06:07 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] FTP access to master updates folder Message-ID: <86298ca104111911062bbe83a5@mail.gmail.com> Michiel, it's nothing personal, but I don't want you or anyone else having FTP access to the master updates folder. Really! Even if this would mean faster updates. I trust the WBEL maintainers, and I feel secure running their software. I know that every package I get through up2date -- given how I have it configured -- comes from these folks and no one else. If you want to release other updates, and more quickly, you can do this, and you can publish details on how to access it here, and people who want more frequent updates and who trust you can configure yum.conf to grab stuff from your servers... but don't assume that just because you trust yourself, and that you want more aggressive and quicker updates that EVERYONE who runs WBEL wants that. Me, I want a stable, slow, rarely updated Linux. I left Fedora because it was a freaking nightmare keeping up with all the updates. Would I like slightly faster updates when security issues come up? Sure. Is this super important to me? No, certainly not important enough to start mixing and matching software from BEAU with software from other people. -- Bob From Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov Fri Nov 19 19:06:33 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:06:33 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E39F3.20603@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <419E39F3.20603@info.nl> Message-ID: <1100891193.20220.135.camel@wx1.larc.nasa.gov> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 19:22 +0100, Michiel van Es wrote: > >> That sucks big time! > >> Is this a COMMUNITY distro or not? > > > > > > Not. > > Oh ..if so..who is providing the feedback for broken packages and > offering their help to keep the updates up2date? There is a community on the list, but WBEL is not a community distro at this point. As pointed out earlier in the thread, users are free to take WBEL as a starting point and support the resulting fork (generally considered a negative outcome and indication of failure of the original effort) as a true community distro, or jump ship to one of the other alternatives. Absent more involvement or acceptance of help from the kind and generous library folks who have brought us all this far, that may well be the result. At least two people have offered to set up servers, and several others have offered to help in package building. Some possible alternatives seem to be: 0. Status quo - wait for WBEL to do updates (and cut the complaints). 1. WBEL maintainers accept help, provide leadership, and let it become a community distro. 2. WBEL maintainers pass the torch to new leaders who carry on as a community distro. 3. Fork a community distro - requires leadership, host sites, SRPM re-builders, not to mention a new name. 4. Your $0.02 here... To me #1 seems the best outcome unless the lag in #0 updates decreases. The other two could be viable if strong capable leaders step forward. #3 is the least preferable. Phil From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 19:07:03 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:07:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E3351.5010004@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E3351.5010004@info.nl> Message-ID: <1545.12.29.16.103.1100891223.squirrel@whooper.org> Michiel van Es said: [snip] > I understand but where is the freedom/acceptance to allow people to > speak their mind and hear their complains about his product? Considering you haven't been banned from the list, your "freedom" to speak your mind is alive and well. However, your "freedom" doesn't extend past my (and others) "freedom" to disagree with you. -- William Hooper From rramstad@alum.mit.edu Fri Nov 19 19:09:52 2004 From: rramstad@alum.mit.edu (Bob Ramstad) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:09:52 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> Why not do these updates and put them on a separate system? People who want to use them can, and people who don't, don't. yum is very powerful, and I definitely feel that those of us who want to run pure WBEL with every package built and test by beau.org folks should be accomodated. By the way, downloading and building the RPMs from source is really pretty much trivial. The issue is in testing, and myself, I don't want to be overwhelmed with updates. I would rather have periodic releases -- a few times a year -- of a set of RPM updates all at once which have been carefully tested, as opposed to having many updates of single RPMs on an ad hoc basis throughout the year. I guess what I'm driving at is that I like the status quo. More frequent updates, created by a wider range of people, is exactly what I do NOT want. -- Bob On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:56:05 -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: > With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control > while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. > It would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being > timely released, then people could volunteer to download the source > from RedHat, build it, and provide the build to a central control, who > could then test and verify the build. At least that will save the > central control the task of having to download and build the rpms. > > > > On Nov 19, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Bob Ramstad wrote: > > > Hi there. > > > > The subject line may be a bit strong, but I think we've got a bit of a > > cultural issue here. > > > > Personally, I don't want a community which contributes updates and > > what not. I want a centralized single point from which all updates > > come from. I want to know that WBEL is stable, and this is critical > > to me, much more so than getting updates quickly. > > > > It is precisely the strong central control that attracts me to WBEL. > > > > If I wanted community involvement with thousands of optional RPMs and > > competing versions of things, I'd use a different distro. > > > > Now, of course this mailing list is nice in terms of exchanging > > information, pointers, tips and stuff like that... and so in that > > sense a WBEL community is a good worthwhile thing. > > > > Also of course, the current situation in regards to mirrors and timely > > access to updates is suboptimal. > > > > That said, I don't see any benefit to be gained from having random > > members of the community rolling their own RPMs and effectively > > forking WBEL. If you want to do it, go ahead, but I'm sure I won't be > > the only one who ignores it and waits for real WBEL RPMs instead. > > > > -- Bob > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From benm@dsl-only.net Fri Nov 19 19:15:21 2004 From: benm@dsl-only.net (Ben Mohilef) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:15:21 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E39F3.20603@info.nl> References: Message-ID: <419DD5C9.27265.62DD79@localhost> On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: > Oh ..if so..who is providing the feedback for broken packages and > offering their help to keep the updates up2date? I am surprised that beau.org hasn't pulled the plug on this mailing list. If I were a taxpayer in Beauregard Parish, I would be screaming my head off if my library employees were fiddling with open source software distribution instead of maintaining my library system. They have done a wonderful job in getting Whitebox linux started. RedHat is doing an excellent job in making the source code updates available to people like us who haven't even paid a cent for the distribution ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide source code to their customers ). Rolling your own from the RH Sources is fairly easy (except for openoffice which requires 10Gb free in /usr, as I found out the hard way). As the comedy of fedoralegacy.org shows, a herd of volunteers requires a lot of good organization and a lot of security checking or it will fail. If you want to start such a group for whitebox, you are certainly free to do so. However, if you do so, be aware that you may be held personally liable for the security issues should one of the packages end up trojanned. I can see why beau.org would want to avoid that situation. I trust RedHat and Whitebox. Mostly trust Centos. Definitely trust my own builds. However, I wouldn't trust a herd effort on any machine connected to the internet unless there was a very extensive package testing system implemented. From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: > I've been bothered enough by this that I've been looking for > WhiteBox alternatives, but unfortantely none of the alternatives > make me happy enough to warrent a change (CentOS, TaoLinux, and > Lineox all made my research list). E-mail me off list if you want > to know my objections to each project. If you know of another > alternative, e-mail me, again in private. I'm not hear to say bad > things about any of the RHEL rebuilds. I just want to find one I am > comfortable running at work. WBEL has been slowly slipping away > from that status. I'll probably continue to run it at home, if only > because I really like the helpful nature of this list. I'd be interested in hearing what issues you've got with CentOS. I've gotten fed up enough that I've loaded it once at work and once at home, and it seems to work fine for me. The mailing list is low-volume, but I figure that Whitebox looks like it's about to lose a bunch of folks, and they've gotta go somewhere. With CentOS being #2, and with all of their mirrors, etc., they look to be able to pick up the slack. I'm interested in your $0.02 US. :) Ben From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Vic wrote: > Hi All. > > Sorry if I'm hashing over old ground here - I've not finished reading > through the archies yet (any chance of a search option there?). > > I'm specifying a server at the moment, and I'd like to run WB on it (I've > had a WB machine for a number of months now, and it's rather good, isn't > it?). But I've run out of IDE ports, and I'm toying with the idea of using > the SATA ports on the MoBo. > > At this point, I get rather nervous - I've not yet owned a SATA drive, > I've only ever seen one, and that had *loads* of problems[1]. Now from > what I've read, the chipset I'm planning on using (SiS 964) is supported > by libata, so I might be in luck... > > So - anyone tried anything like this? Any advice, other than RTFM/RTFA/STFW? >From what I've heard, if you're going to use PATA and SATA together, as long as you're booting off of the PATA drive(s), you should be fine. (That's what I'm doing at home right now.) On the other hand, if you want to run a pure SATA system, you're going to have a problem with WB. I've heard that the latest updates to the RH kernel will allow you to initially load to a pure SATA system and run. Since WB hasn't done a respin with the newest kernel, you'd have to jump through some hoops (including creating a custom boot floppy) in order to load the system. You might check out CentOS. I believe that their latest version (3.3) has a kernel that's new enough that it should work right out of the box for a pure SATA system. Ben From Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com Fri Nov 19 19:37:17 2004 From: Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:37:17 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419DD5C9.27265.62DD79@localhost> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006BC92285256F51_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide source code to their customers ). Wrong. They have to provide the source code. Period. ========================= Scott Mace Security Administrator Travelcenters of America 440-808-4318 mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com ========================= --=_alternative 006BC92285256F51_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote:

( recall the GPL - they only have to provide
source code to their customers ).



Wrong.  They have to provide the source code.  Period.



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--=_alternative 006BC92285256F51_=-- From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 19:47:51 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:47:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: <419DD5C9.27265.62DD79@localhost> Message-ID: <1398.12.29.16.103.1100893671.squirrel@whooper.org> Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com said: > On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: > > > ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide > source code to their customers ). > > > Wrong. They have to provide the source code. Period. Oh, goody, this again. Well, a) No, they have to distribute the source code to people that they distribute binaries to. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html b) Not everything in RHEL or WBEL is covered by the GPL. -- William Hooper From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 19:52:33 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <4394.12.29.16.103.1100890400.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <200411191307.59203.mir@soartech.com> <4394.12.29.16.103.1100890400.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <200411191452.33551.mir@soartech.com> On Friday 19 November 2004 01:53 pm, William Hooper wrote: > David Mir said: > > Some of us (and I believe as more people start noticing, > > most of us) don't like updates disappearing from the main distro server > > (ncsu.edu). > > ncsu.edu isn't the main distro server, it just happens to be one a number > of people use. Well, whatever you want to call it (to-mate-toe or to-mott-toe), the fact is that when ncsu.edu "went down" A LOT of the other major mirrors went down too (hint: they probably use ncsu.edu as their source too, thus ncsu.edu would at least be considered one of the main distribution servers for WhiteBox updates). > > > So those of us are using the mailing list for users (your > > looking at it) to communicate to start keeping updates .... up to date! > > With > > or without john/vikki (no offense if they don't have time, they don't > > have time which is fine). So lets drop the "if you don't like it > > leave.." garbage, > > Why? If you don't like how Whitebox is managed there are many other > rebuilds out there. I'm sure you can find one that will do what you want. > Why should Whitebox have to conform to what you want it to be? It isn't > your project. You don't have to, in fact you didn't have to read this post or reply to it, as I suggested at the end of my previous post for which you ignored then complained about doing it (make up your mind). And no said it's not my project nor did I ever imply anything close to it, nor did I imply in any way that whitebox needs to "conform" to my way. What I was saying (is there an echo in here?) is that my original post was for people interested in creating another RPM update server, whether you use it or not is up to you (BTW I don't care if you don't). Oh yeah this isn't your project either so you don't have to read threads (this is why most mailing list have this function) that you are not interested in. > > Look at it another way: > 1) WBEL is for the library > 2) John knows if he rebuilds and tests the updates, they will work for the > library > 3) If anyone else can get some use from the updates, good. If not, oh > well. > > I don't know jack about you or why I should trust you to build updates. You don't have too, in fact you didn't have to reply/read to this thread (there's that echo again) like I mentioned in my previous post. > > > if you don't want to contribute stop reading this thread. For > > those who want to get together lets do it and start this thing. > > Having seen a bunch of these threads in the past, I would say "put up or > shut up". Either get your group together to do what you want them to do > (as you say above, without it being "Official"), or quit complaining about > it on this list. The best way to convince people is to already have > something in place, not just talk about it over and over. Again no one is complaining about the distro (damn that was another echo almost sounded like I've said that like 5 times already), but this is where whitebox users look for information about and communicate with other whitebox users. So this would be the logical place to start a discuss on a group of us starting our own RPM update server (which BTW doesn't have to listed in whitebox site like many many other ftp servers that are not listed but still carry white box updates). So maybe once we get started and organized we will not post here anymore, though there would be nothing wrong with that as what we are doing is related to whitebox. That is about as dumb as saying "Stop posting about an apache problem on whitebox...you should be posting in an apache forum". No if it is related to whitebox in anyway (considering we will still be using whitebox just some of us will be maintaining our own updates) it should be posted here. If you do like the thread don't read it (just in case you missed this before). > > To take my own advice, I will now shut up about it. Well first thing we agree on :-) . -- David Mir From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 19:59:48 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:59:48 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419DD5C9.27265.62DD79@localhost> References: <419DD5C9.27265.62DD79@localhost> Message-ID: <200411191459.48827.mir@soartech.com> So do you know what the current "extensive package testing system" yes? If so please state it. I mean this and am not trying to be mean or anything just want to know so if some people decide to start updating themselves they can use a similar system. On Friday 19 November 2004 02:15 pm, Ben Mohilef wrote: > On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: > > Oh ..if so..who is providing the feedback for broken packages and > > offering their help to keep the updates up2date? > > I am surprised that beau.org hasn't pulled the plug on this mailing > list. If I were a taxpayer in Beauregard Parish, I would be > screaming my head off if my library employees were fiddling with > open source software distribution instead of maintaining my library > system. > > They have done a wonderful job in getting Whitebox linux started. > RedHat is doing an excellent job in making the source code > updates available to people like us who haven't even paid a cent > for the distribution ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide > source code to their customers ). > > Rolling your own from the RH Sources is fairly easy (except for > openoffice which requires 10Gb free in /usr, as I found out the hard > way). > > As the comedy of fedoralegacy.org shows, a herd of volunteers > requires a lot of good organization and a lot of security checking or > it will fail. If you want to start such a group for whitebox, you are > certainly free to do so. However, if you do so, be aware that you > may be held personally liable for the security issues should one of > the packages end up trojanned. I can see why beau.org would want > to avoid that situation. > > I trust RedHat and Whitebox. Mostly trust Centos. Definitely trust > my own builds. However, I wouldn't trust a herd effort on any > machine connected to the internet unless there was a very > extensive package testing system implemented. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com Fri Nov 19 20:24:46 2004 From: Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:24:46 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <1398.12.29.16.103.1100893671.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0070222085256F51_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Oh, goody. It does not say customers. They released it outside of their organization, they are obligated to supply the source code. To wit: "Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public? The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you." Yes it says "users," and we can argue semantics all day if you like. ========================= Scott Mace Security Administrator Travelcenters of America 440-808-4318 mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com ========================= "William Hooper" Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org 11/19/2004 02:47 PM To whitebox-users@beau.org cc Subject Re: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com said: > On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: > > > ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide > source code to their customers ). > > > Wrong. They have to provide the source code. Period. Oh, goody, this again. Well, a) No, they have to distribute the source code to people that they distribute binaries to. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html b) Not everything in RHEL or WBEL is covered by the GPL. -- William Hooper _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --=_alternative 0070222085256F51_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Oh, goody.  It does not say customers.  They released it outside of their organization, they are obligated to supply the source code.  
To wit:

"Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."


Yes it says "users," and we can argue semantics all day if you like.  


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"William Hooper" <whooperhsd2@earthlink.net>
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Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com said:
> On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote:
>
>
> ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide
> source code to their customers ).
>
>
> Wrong.  They have to provide the source code.  Period.

Oh, goody, this again.

Well,

a) No, they have to distribute the source code to people that they
distribute binaries to.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

b) Not everything in RHEL or WBEL is covered by the GPL.

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--=_alternative 0070222085256F51_=-- From loopkin@nikosoft.net Fri Nov 19 20:25:14 2004 From: loopkin@nikosoft.net (Alexandre Aufrere) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:25:14 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <419E56AA.20804@nikosoft.net> I vote for ! Why there wouldn't be a project like fedoralegacy for WBEL ? After all, John and Vikki did the tremendous job of putting together the distro from RH's SRPMS. Obviously soon there will be a WBEL4 (based on RHEL4). Why not handing support over to another team for WBEL3 ? Bob Ramstad a écrit : > Why not do these updates and put them on a separate system? > > People who want to use them can, and people who don't, don't. > > yum is very powerful, and I definitely feel that those of us who want > to run pure WBEL with every package built and test by beau.org folks > should be accomodated. > > By the way, downloading and building the RPMs from source is really > pretty much trivial. The issue is in testing, and myself, I don't > want to be overwhelmed with updates. I would rather have periodic > releases -- a few times a year -- of a set of RPM updates all at once > which have been carefully tested, as opposed to having many updates of > single RPMs on an ad hoc basis throughout the year. > > I guess what I'm driving at is that I like the status quo. More > frequent updates, created by a wider range of people, is exactly what > I do NOT want. > > -- Bob > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:56:05 -0500, Samuel Lewis wrote: > >>With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control >>while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. >>It would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being >>timely released, then people could volunteer to download the source >>from RedHat, build it, and provide the build to a central control, who >>could then test and verify the build. At least that will save the >>central control the task of having to download and build the rpms. >> >> >> >>On Nov 19, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Bob Ramstad wrote: >> >> >>>Hi there. >>> >>>The subject line may be a bit strong, but I think we've got a bit of a >>>cultural issue here. >>> >>>Personally, I don't want a community which contributes updates and >>>what not. I want a centralized single point from which all updates >>>come from. I want to know that WBEL is stable, and this is critical >>>to me, much more so than getting updates quickly. >>> >>>It is precisely the strong central control that attracts me to WBEL. >>> >>>If I wanted community involvement with thousands of optional RPMs and >>>competing versions of things, I'd use a different distro. >>> >>>Now, of course this mailing list is nice in terms of exchanging >>>information, pointers, tips and stuff like that... and so in that >>>sense a WBEL community is a good worthwhile thing. >>> >>>Also of course, the current situation in regards to mirrors and timely >>>access to updates is suboptimal. >>> >>>That said, I don't see any benefit to be gained from having random >>>members of the community rolling their own RPMs and effectively >>>forking WBEL. If you want to do it, go ahead, but I'm sure I won't be >>>the only one who ignores it and waits for real WBEL RPMs instead. >>> >>>-- Bob >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Whitebox-users mailing list >>>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From loopkin@nikosoft.net Fri Nov 19 20:40:50 2004 From: loopkin@nikosoft.net (Alexandre Aufrere) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:40:50 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: <419E56AA.20804@nikosoft.net> References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> <419E56AA.20804@nikosoft.net> Message-ID: <419E5A52.5020301@nikosoft.net> (well, and of course, meanwhile, John and Vikki could try to go on delivering their updates for WBEL3, but at an even smaller pace... i fail to see how, in the long term, a small library could maintain 2 or 3 separate versions of distro and keeping the same level of wuality than now... it's a lot of work...) Alexandre Aufrere a écrit : > I vote for ! > Why there wouldn't be a project like fedoralegacy for WBEL ? > After all, John and Vikki did the tremendous job of putting together the > distro from RH's SRPMS. Obviously soon there will be a WBEL4 (based on > RHEL4). > Why not handing support over to another team for WBEL3 ? > > Bob Ramstad a écrit : > >> Why not do these updates and put them on a separate system? >> >> People who want to use them can, and people who don't, don't. >> >> yum is very powerful, and I definitely feel that those of us who want >> to run pure WBEL with every package built and test by beau.org folks >> should be accomodated. >> >> By the way, downloading and building the RPMs from source is really >> pretty much trivial. The issue is in testing, and myself, I don't >> want to be overwhelmed with updates. I would rather have periodic >> releases -- a few times a year -- of a set of RPM updates all at once >> which have been carefully tested, as opposed to having many updates of >> single RPMs on an ad hoc basis throughout the year. >> >> I guess what I'm driving at is that I like the status quo. More >> frequent updates, created by a wider range of people, is exactly what >> I do NOT want. >> >> -- Bob >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:56:05 -0500, Samuel Lewis >> wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control >>> while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. >>> It would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being >>> timely released, then people could volunteer to download the source >>> from RedHat, build it, and provide the build to a central control, who >>> could then test and verify the build. At least that will save the >>> central control the task of having to download and build the rpms. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Bob Ramstad wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi there. >>>> >>>> The subject line may be a bit strong, but I think we've got a bit of a >>>> cultural issue here. >>>> >>>> Personally, I don't want a community which contributes updates and >>>> what not. I want a centralized single point from which all updates >>>> come from. I want to know that WBEL is stable, and this is critical >>>> to me, much more so than getting updates quickly. >>>> >>>> It is precisely the strong central control that attracts me to WBEL. >>>> >>>> If I wanted community involvement with thousands of optional RPMs and >>>> competing versions of things, I'd use a different distro. >>>> >>>> Now, of course this mailing list is nice in terms of exchanging >>>> information, pointers, tips and stuff like that... and so in that >>>> sense a WBEL community is a good worthwhile thing. >>>> >>>> Also of course, the current situation in regards to mirrors and timely >>>> access to updates is suboptimal. >>>> >>>> That said, I don't see any benefit to be gained from having random >>>> members of the community rolling their own RPMs and effectively >>>> forking WBEL. If you want to do it, go ahead, but I'm sure I won't be >>>> the only one who ignores it and waits for real WBEL RPMs instead. >>>> >>>> -- Bob >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Whitebox-users mailing list >>>> Whitebox-users@beau.org >>>> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > From mir@soartech.com Fri Nov 19 20:56:51 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:56:51 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411191556.51341.mir@soartech.com> This also solidifies the point, further down the FAQ it states: ========================================================== What does this "written offer valid for any third party" mean? Does that mean everyone in the world can get the source to any GPL'ed program no matter what? "Valid for any third party" means that anyone who has the offer is entitled to take you up on it. If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source code, the GPL says you must provide a written offer to distribute the source code later. When users non-commercially redistribute the binaries they received from you, they must pass along a copy of this written offer. This means that people who did not get the binaries directly from you can still receive copies of the source code, along with the written offer. The reason we require the offer to be valid for any third party is so that people who receive the binaries indirectly in that way can order the source code from you. ========================================================== **"This means that people who did not get the binaries directly from you can still receive copies of the source code, along with the written offer."** Can't be much clearer than that! (Attorneys HATE semantics) On Friday 19 November 2004 03:24 pm, Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com wrote: > Oh, goody. It does not say customers. They released it outside of their > organization, they are obligated to supply the source code. > To wit: > > "Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to > the public? > The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are > free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing > them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an > organization can make a modified version and use it internally without > ever releasing it outside the organization. > But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL > requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's > users, under the GPL. > > Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain > ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is > up to you." > > > Yes it says "users," and we can argue semantics all day if you like. > > > ========================= > Scott Mace > Security Administrator > Travelcenters of America > 440-808-4318 > mace.scott@tatravelcenters.com > ========================= > > > > "William Hooper" > Sent by: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > 11/19/2004 02:47 PM > > To > whitebox-users@beau.org > cc > > Subject > Re: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing > > Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com said: > > On 19 Nov 2004 at 19:22, Michiel van Es wrote: > > > > > > ( recall the GPL - they only have to provide > > source code to their customers ). > > > > > > Wrong. They have to provide the source code. Period. > > Oh, goody, this again. > > Well, > > a) No, they have to distribute the source code to people that they > distribute binaries to. > > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html > > b) Not everything in RHEL or WBEL is covered by the GPL. -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu Thu Nov 18 23:44:31 2004 From: aneiros@finf.ucf.edu.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:44:31 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-List and maildrop In-Reply-To: <38054.193.28.249.3.1100771733.squirrel@193.28.249.3> Message-ID: Hi, I think you are not using the correct header field. For a mailman list (as this one) you should use the field X-BeenThere Regards, Jesus. On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de wrote: > Hi everybody, > > i have a problem filtering mails from the WBEL-List. The other filters in > my maildroprc files are ok and mails are delivered in the right folder. > I“ve tried different constelations but none worked. This is the part for > the WBEL-List in my maildroprc-file: > > > if (/^List-Id:.*whitebox-users*/) > { > exception { > to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ > } > } > > I“ve tried also this: > > if (/^(From|To|Cc):.*whitebox-users*/) > { > exception { > to $HOME/.Maillist.WBEL-User/ > } > } > > ...with no success. > Does anybody use maildrop with a proper mailfilter-rule? > Thanks in advance. > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > -- > Este mensaje ha sido analizado por el servicio de antivirus > de la UCf, mediante MailScanner y F-prot en busca de virus > y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que esta limpio. > No obstante tome sus propias medidas de seguridad. > -- Jesus Aneiros Sosa GNU/Linux User #190716 perl -e '$_=pack(c5,0105,0107,0123,0132,(1<<3)+2);y[A-Z][N-ZA-M];print;' -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado por el servicio de antivirus de la UCf, mediante MailScanner y F-prot en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que esta limpio. No obstante tome sus propias medidas de seguridad. From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 21:17:15 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <200411191556.51341.mir@soartech.com> References: <200411191556.51341.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: <1680.12.29.16.103.1100899035.squirrel@whooper.org> David Mir said: > > This also solidifies the point, further down the FAQ it states: > ========================================================== > What does this "written offer valid for any third party" mean? Does that > mean everyone in the world can get the source to any GPL'ed program no > matter what? > > "Valid for any third party" means that anyone who has the offer is > entitled to take you up on it. > > If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source code, Red Hat provides the source code with the binaries, so this doesn't apply. -- William Hooper From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 21:18:46 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: <1398.12.29.16.103.1100893671.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1761.12.29.16.103.1100899126.squirrel@whooper.org> Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com said: [snip] > Yes it says "users," and we can argue semantics all day if you like. There is a mile of difference between "make the modified source code available to the program's users" and "put it on an anonymous FTP site for the whole world". -- William Hooper From j@lumiere.net Fri Nov 19 21:36:09 2004 From: j@lumiere.net (Jesse) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:36:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> <86298ca10411191109345196ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Bob Ramstad wrote: > I guess what I'm driving at is that I like the status quo. More > frequent updates, created by a wider range of people, is exactly what > I do NOT want. While there are always some exceptions, I think most people want the "status quo" too, meaning exactly what RHEL provides, minus the license encumbrance. RHEL already provides few, periodic point releases. The only immediate updates are security or severe bug fixes. I think it's the desire for "community" in WBEL by most is not to have more recent and alternative versions of packages, but rather to get the packages RHEL provides on a more timely basis. So really it becomes that people want what WBEL is already, but done faster. So they do the only thing they can do to try to fix the problem at the source: offer their support. That's the "community". Unfortunately, John doesn't seem to have time to keep up on his own, and doesn't seem interested in automating the process any more, or having assistance from anyone outside the library (even a limited, trusted set of volunteers). More frustrating has been the relative silence from the library on the issue. I can understand them not wanting to get engaged in debates all the time, but a simple policy declaration that can be referred to would be helpful. But that's just how it is, and rehashing debates on the list about what John should or shouldn't do won't change anything. I like WBEL, and would like it with faster replication of RHEL updates in the official tree. Unfortunately that doesn't seem possible. Luckily in the meantime I can rebuild RHEL's security updates on my own for my own usage. This unfortunately reduces the usefuless of WBEL, but it's the best compromise for me at this time. --- Jesse From ealdama@inhomepc.net Fri Nov 19 21:32:04 2004 From: ealdama@inhomepc.net (Ernie Aldama) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:32:04 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] [SPAM] RE: Whitebox-users digest, Vol 1 #542 - 8 msgs In-Reply-To: <20041119205900.15868.88258.Mailman@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <20041119214201.5331A132E69@etek1.inhomepc.net> Could you all just grow up or take this offline? I read this list to see what others are doing and/or having problems with so that if there is something that I have done, or wish to do, I have some form of information resource. All of this bickering about GPL this or GPL that... or who should be maintaining what rsync/distro... has gotten old and I am sure I am not the only one to think this. I just happen to be one that is fed up enough to say something about it. Now before you go and tell me to get stuffed and that I don't HAVE to read this list... YOU don't HAVE to reply to everything and try and out flame one another. If you look at this list of "Today's Topics", you can see that out of 8 messages, ONLY ONE was something of any real importance. Perhaps you might want to take all of this rsync/distro talk to the developer list. Then again, I am sure there are others that would get just as frustrated there as some of us here have become. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (William Hooper) 2. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (David Mir) 3. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (David Mir) 4. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com) 5. Re: I don't want a community (Alexandre Aufrere) 6. Re: I don't want a community (Alexandre Aufrere) 7. Re: Rsync Updates Organizing (David Mir) 8. Re: WBEL-List and maildrop (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) --__--__-- From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Sat Nov 20 00:26:31 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:26:31 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100910391.1444.66.camel@Myth.home.local> On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 15:24 -0500, Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com wrote: > > Oh, goody. It does not say customers. They released it outside of > their organization, they are obligated to supply the source code. > To wit: > > "Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted > to the public? > The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are > free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever > releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), > too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally > without ever releasing it outside the organization. > But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the > GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the > program's users, under the GPL. > > Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in > certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to > release it is up to you." > > > Yes it says "users," and we can argue semantics all day if you like. > What the HECK does this have to do with updates ... The Source RPMS are available for WBEL ... you can download them, they are on many mirrors. The library can say ... OK, I am not going to do any more distro. You can have a copy of the released WBEL SOURCE, if you send me a request, if you pay for the CDs I need to burn it to, and if you pay for shipping. There is no requirement for them to make anything available for download. Nothing says that they have to continue to do updates if they don't want to ... nothing says they have to make binary rpms available to any one ... and they only have to provide source code they have released. --------------- John has said that he doesn't want help ... how clear can it be. Anyone who doesn't like the update speed should shift distros, or start an new distro. Use CentOS, use Scientific Linux, use Lineox, use TaoLinux, or build your own. -------------- If that is not good enough, I would BE HAPPY to start Rebuild distro named JROS Linux, I will pick up to 5 trusted people who can put updates into the main mirror (and have access to the signing key) ... I saw 3 people wanted to be WhiteBox mirrors, if they want to be JROS mirrors ... then maybe we can have a product out soon .... I won't discuss this on any WBEL mailing lists, but you can discuss this via either personal e-mail to me, OR at my forum (preferably): http://www.hughesjr.com/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,65/page,viewforum/f,14/ ------------- I am not doing this to in any way be negative to John Morris or Whitebox Linux ... I am just tired of people complaining and not doing anything about it. I think John has done a great job, AND made his position very well known, people just don't listen to (or maybe comprehend) what he has stated his position to be.... From benm@dsl-only.net Sat Nov 20 02:32:32 2004 From: benm@dsl-only.net (Ben Mohilef) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:32:32 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing Message-ID: <419E3C40.22886.1F3232D@localhost> On 19 Nov 2004 at 14:59, David Mir wrote: > So do you know what the current "extensive package testing system" > yes? If so please state it. I mean this and am not trying to be mean > or anything just want to know so if some people decide to start > updating themselves they can use a similar system. > Here is a scenario for a minimum testing system. I'm sure that others can add to this scenario. Several builders must produce the same md5sum on each of those RH updates which do not require alteration. On Whitebox specific updates [in which the RH logos need to be removed ] one person needs to alter the code and several others need to unpack his/her work and make sure that something awry did not happen to the code (lots of "diff" work). Then the object rpm has to be built by several others and the md5sums checked for agreement as above. That cumbersome procedure provides a minimum level of protection from one or two malware-writer types "contributing" undesirable results to the project. This scenario doesn't look too hard until someone tries to implement it. Someone has to be in charge of this adventure and maintain communication flow and organization. Otherwise it will deteriorate into a game of disorganized grabass. That person should be aware that he/she won't be very popular if anything goes wrong. Takes good project management skills, a very thick skin and an adequate amount of free time. I'm also not trying to be mean either, but I am somewhat afraid of a security problem with a group effort. I'd rather roll my own or get the occasional difficult rpm (essentially openoffice) from Centos. We rolled our own on almost all of the September updates on a spare box (which had a clean fully updated install and is not directly connected to the internet ) and installed them a couple of days after RedHat released the src rpms on their ftp site. It took minimal effort once we loaded all the relevant -devel rpms into that box. I am hoping that John Morris finds the time and inclination to resume the updates, which would resolve this entire issue for all of us. regards, ben From jlewis@lewis.org Sat Nov 20 03:26:57 2004 From: jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:26:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <4394.12.29.16.103.1100890400.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> <200411191307.59203.mir@soartech.com> <4394.12.29.16.103.1100890400.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, William Hooper wrote: > ncsu.edu isn't the main distro server, it just happens to be one a number > of people use. What is the main distro/updates server? I've been looking into how to become an "official" WBEL mirror for a few weeks, and nobody here seems to know...or those who do aren't talking or replying. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ From jlewis@lewis.org Sat Nov 20 03:32:07 2004 From: jlewis@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:32:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] I don't want a community In-Reply-To: References: <86298ca104111910445d0faa3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Samuel Lewis wrote: > With all due respect, I suspect there is a way to maintain control > while also encouraging community support and assistance with updates. > It would seem that if life is getting in the way of updates being > timely released, then people could volunteer to download the source > from RedHat, build it, and provide the build to a central control, who > could then test and verify the build. At least that will save the > central control the task of having to download and build the rpms. Unless the central control implicitly trusts the contributors, that's as much or probably more work than just getting the SRPMs from Red Hat and rebuilding them for WBEL. i.e. How do you know the openssh update someone just rolled and contributed doesn't contain a backdoor in sshd? I think we generally all implicitly trust Red Hat not to do such things, and if you're running WBEL, you've put the same trust in those who created WBEL. Taking update RPMs from 3rd parties greatly complicates things unless those 3rd parties are known/trusted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ From michiele@info.nl Sat Nov 20 13:30:12 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:30:12 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <1545.12.29.16.103.1100891223.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E3351.5010004@info.nl> <1545.12.29.16.103.1100891223.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <419F46E4.4080800@info.nl> William Hooper wrote: > Michiel van Es said: > [snip] > >>I understand but where is the freedom/acceptance to allow people to >>speak their mind and hear their complains about his product? > > > Considering you haven't been banned from the list, your "freedom" to speak > your mind is alive and well. However, your "freedom" doesn't extend past > my (and others) "freedom" to disagree with you. > With freedom I mean: look someone elses' mind speaking out. You can agree or disagree. I and some others think it is not nice there a so much single points of failures. I and other people are willing to contribute updates,bandwith or a plan to take out these single points of failure. What is wrong with delegating responsibilities? When I see someones' carr is broke..I can do 2 things: 1) let hem drive and crash into a building because the brakes were not working (which I noticed but did not do anything about it) 2) Fix the brakes or tell the car owner that his brakes are broke. I like to see number 2 and let people help eachother out (controlled by a group of people) instead of seeing a car which I've build but with broken brakes and not doing anyhting about it (because it is not my responsibility). And thanks foru your feedback..but why are you saying you will now shut up and continue to discuss this topic? (what is your goddamn right but I do not hget it ;) ) Michiel From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Sat Nov 20 13:48:00 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:48:00 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox and SATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c4cf07$8d6147a0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> I've installed WBEL on an Acer Altos G310 server - a pure SATA system and it's running fine. YMMV. NK -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin J. Weiss Sent: 19 November 2004 19:22 To: Vic Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox and SATA On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Vic wrote: > Hi All. > > Sorry if I'm hashing over old ground here - I've not finished reading > through the archies yet (any chance of a search option there?). > > I'm specifying a server at the moment, and I'd like to run WB on it > (I've had a WB machine for a number of months now, and it's rather > good, isn't it?). But I've run out of IDE ports, and I'm toying with > the idea of using the SATA ports on the MoBo. > > At this point, I get rather nervous - I've not yet owned a SATA drive, > I've only ever seen one, and that had *loads* of problems[1]. Now from > what I've read, the chipset I'm planning on using (SiS 964) is > supported by libata, so I might be in luck... > > So - anyone tried anything like this? Any advice, other than > RTFM/RTFA/STFW? >From what I've heard, if you're going to use PATA and SATA together, as long as you're booting off of the PATA drive(s), you should be fine. (That's what I'm doing at home right now.) On the other hand, if you want to run a pure SATA system, you're going to have a problem with WB. I've heard that the latest updates to the RH kernel will allow you to initially load to a pure SATA system and run. Since WB hasn't done a respin with the newest kernel, you'd have to jump through some hoops (including creating a custom boot floppy) in order to load the system. You might check out CentOS. I believe that their latest version (3.3) has a kernel that's new enough that it should work right out of the box for a pure SATA system. Ben _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Sat Nov 20 13:52:06 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:52:06 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Can we have a simple summary of the updates situation Message-ID: <006501c4cf08$1fbdb1b0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> Sitting on the sidelines reading all the traffic, I am still not clear what's at the core of this 'update problem'. Can anyone please post a simple summary - ie: answer the following: 1) Was the disappearance of the update servers recently just a glitch or an indication that updates are being stopped? 2) Is WBEL now 'frozen in time' or still an 'ongoing project'? 3) Do I start considering alternatives to WBEL or just wait for the 'glitch(?)' to be sorted? Thanks NK From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Sat Nov 20 14:02:13 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:02:13 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419F46E4.4080800@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E1DEB.7090408@info.nl> <419E23C8.5030703@info.nl> <2586.12.29.16.103.1100885785.squirrel@whooper.org> <419E3351.5010004@info.nl> <1545.12.29.16.103.1100891223.squirrel@whooper.org> <419F46E4.4080800@info.nl> Message-ID: <1100959333.1439.87.camel@Myth.home.local> On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 14:30 +0100, Michiel van Es wrote: [snip] > > > With freedom I mean: look someone elses' mind speaking out. > You can agree or disagree. > I and some others think it is not nice there a so much single points of > failures. SO ... pick another distro and leave Mr. Morris alone. > I and other people are willing to contribute updates,bandwith or a plan > to take out these single points of failure. BUT ... the owner doesn't want the help. How hard is this to understand? > What is wrong with delegating responsibilities? Nothing ... but the owner doesn't want too. They do delegate responsibilities at other distros though. > When I see someones' carr is broke..I can do 2 things: > 1) let hem drive and crash into a building because the brakes were not > working (which I noticed but did not do anything about it) You can tell him ... not fix his car without his permission. > 2) Fix the brakes or tell the car owner that his brakes are broke. You can't fix someones brakes who doesn't want you to touch their car. If he says, "I'll fix it myself later" ... it's his car, not yours. > > I like to see number 2 and let people help eachother out (controlled by > a group of people) instead of seeing a car which I've build but with > broken brakes and not doing anyhting about it (because it is not my > responsibility). It has nothing to do with responsibility ... it has to do with ownership. If you own something, you decide what happens to it ... it is not anyone else's freaking business what you choose to do with your car, your house or your Linux distro. From mir@soartech.com Sat Nov 20 16:02:47 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (Mir) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:02:47 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Can we have a simple summary of the updates situation In-Reply-To: <006501c4cf08$1fbdb1b0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> Message-ID: <200411201602.iAKG2ilK007090@library.beau.org> I think with out speaking for the developing team I can say from what I seen: 1) It is just a glitch, I emailed NCSU.edu and they said it should be fixed by next week. 2) AFAIK WhiteBox is still an ongoing project, since I have seen nothing different from either vikki or john. 3) This is completely up to you, one of the reasons I chose whitebox (actually the major reason) is because it had (and still does according to distrowatch at least) the biggest install base. Meaning it is more likely that forums are active (as you can see sometimes TOO active, which I think is a good thing :) and support easier to find. What I have found recently is that the developers, and they have every right to do this, want to keep development team small to maintain control (which again I think is fine). AFA whether to switch or not....well that is up to you. I personally have installed whitebox on too many machines to really want to switch right now, and besides I like the distro and the people using it. As for the updates, it seems in light of the fact that the development team is small they can get backed up but I have seen at least one post from vikki saying they are intending to catch once they have the time, or if a really serious security update crops up (not just cups or mozilla feature updates etc.). I have been using white box now since early this year and this is the first time I have seen a delay in updates and it's not really that bad...maybe 2 weeks behind?? Maybe?? Something like that, but again nothing major has been released for which they have not had an update. On another note I have been downloading the updates SRPMS (from RHEL3) and set-up an Rsync Server. Once I have completely synced the SRPMS I will start to compile using the same techniques listed on this site. Once I have installed and tested the RPMS I will release the server info, how I compiled etc. on this list. Again just for people who NEED updates like the newest mozilla etc. (kinda like DAG but just for the WB crowd and ONLY RH released SRPMS ;-) No, it will not be another disto or anything like that, just an extra RPM Update server. Thanks D Mir -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Nigel Kendrick Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:52 AM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: [WBEL-users] Can we have a simple summary of the updates situation Sitting on the sidelines reading all the traffic, I am still not clear what's at the core of this 'update problem'. Can anyone please post a simple summary - ie: answer the following: 1) Was the disappearance of the update servers recently just a glitch or an indication that updates are being stopped? 2) Is WBEL now 'frozen in time' or still an 'ongoing project'? 3) Do I start considering alternatives to WBEL or just wait for the 'glitch(?)' to be sorted? Thanks NK _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C4CEFD.B696A430-- From subsolar@subsolar.org Sat Nov 20 17:57:49 2004 From: subsolar@subsolar.org (Paul) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:57:49 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Can we have a simple summary of the updates situation In-Reply-To: <006501c4cf08$1fbdb1b0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> References: <006501c4cf08$1fbdb1b0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> Message-ID: <1100973469.7164.23.camel@azure> On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 13:52 +0000, Nigel Kendrick wrote: > Sitting on the sidelines reading all the traffic, I am still not clear > what's at the core of this 'update problem'. > > Can anyone please post a simple summary - ie: answer the following: > > 1) Was the disappearance of the update servers recently just a glitch or an > indication that updates are being stopped? It's was glitch on one of the primary mirrors that several other mirrors use. This caused updates to disappear from a number of mirrors. > > 2) Is WBEL now 'frozen in time' or still an 'ongoing project'? It's still ongoing ... from what I understand John is just really busy right now with other things and there are no major security updates out that have not been pushed out. The remaining updates are pending John getting some time to rebuild them and possibly do a respin also. > > 3) Do I start considering alternatives to WBEL or just wait for the > 'glitch(?)' to be sorted? Depends on your disposition, I don't believe anybody is advocating jumping ship en-mass right now. The are quite a few people that are "happy" with the situation and are willing to wait for John manages to build the missing updates. There are some that are worried about the situation and want John to accept 3rd party help to help get things done faster. I guess if your seriously concerned about the timeliness and availability of updates then one of the other respins of RHEL are probably better for you. Personally, I'm in wait and see mode with some investigation into other distros in the unlikely case that things start falling apart. I feel that would be a shame since WBEL has some decent momentum behind it. Regards, Paul Berger From denis@just-servers.co.uk Sat Nov 20 17:58:09 2004 From: denis@just-servers.co.uk (Denis Croombs) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:58:09 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: <200411201737.iAKHbVOa021631@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <200411201915.iAKJFR016994@rack1.just-hosting.biz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CF2A.8109B690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=0D =0D I would love a copy, but do not have access to a fast connection, I do have= =0D a FTP site if you were able to up-load it to my ftp account.=0D Or can it be put on a rsync mirror ?=0D =0D Thanks=0D =0D Denis=0D =0D _____ =0D From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org]= =0D On Behalf Of Mir=0D Sent: 20 November 2004 17:38=0D To: whitebox-users@beau.org=0D Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso!=0D =0D =0D I=92m not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have= =0D created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of the= =0D latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations and=0D just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems to work= =0D fine, on one of the installs I chose =93everything=94 and it installed fine= .=0D Never asks for CDs! :-) Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum fo= r=0D the install media verification. Unfortunately I don=92t really have access = to=0D a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if=0D anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, I=92= m=0D open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). =0D =0D Thanks =0D D Mir.=0D mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com =0D -- =0D This message has been scanned for viruses and =0D dangerous content by =0D Marvin and is believed to be clean. =0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004=0D ---=0D Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004=0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004=0D =0D --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Marvin the E-Mail scanner ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CF2A.8109B690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D
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=0D ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C4CF2A.8109B690-- From Andy Masiar Sat Nov 20 18:27:24 2004 From: Andy Masiar (Andy Masiar) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:27:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Can we have a simple summary of the updates situation In-Reply-To: <200411201602.iAKG2ilK007090@library.beau.org> References: <006501c4cf08$1fbdb1b0$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> <200411201602.iAKG2ilK007090@library.beau.org> Message-ID: > On another note I have been downloading the updates SRPMS (from RHEL3) and > set-up an Rsync Server. Once I have completely synced the SRPMS I will > start to compile using the same techniques listed on this site. Once I have > installed and tested the RPMS I will release the server info, how I compiled > etc. on this list. Again just for people who NEED updates like the newest > mozilla etc. (kinda like DAG but just for the WB crowd and ONLY RH released > SRPMS ;-) No, it will not be another disto or anything like that, just an > extra RPM Update server. Excellent idea! I'm all over that :-) From lowen@pari.edu Sat Nov 20 19:41:53 2004 From: lowen@pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:41:53 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411201441.53435.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 19 November 2004 15:24, Mace.Scott@tatravelcenters.com wrote: > Oh, goody. It does not say customers. They released it outside of their > organization, they are obligated to supply the source code. But only to the people that they released the binaries to. RHEL3 binaries are not released to the public; RHEL3 CD sets come with the source code. End of story, and end of Red Hat's obligation. Fact is Red Hat's Open Source Relations people (such as Michael Tiemann, who has toured my site) want to release the source to the general public (as opposed to the program's users) and they do so, but they are not forced by any license to do so, since their 'program's users' already have the source code. > To wit: > But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL > requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's > users, under the GPL. It says users. A user of RHEL3 is free to redistribute RHEL3 all day long; but when they do they lose access to the updates and RHN. Portions (not all) of RHEL3 are under GPL, and Red Hat fulfils the GPL by providing source to the program's users. The FSF itself has held up Red Hat's model; google for it for yourself. Since in order to get the binaries you must agree to Red Hat's service agreement for Red Hat Network, you are bound to their service's use agreement, which becomes void if you redistribute the binary updates (no restriction on the source, which is, after all, the GPL's reason for being: protecting the program's source code). GPL ensures source code availability, not binary availability. And since the RHEL3 CD set ships with source code on CD, there is no 'offer' clause to invoke. But, this has nothing to do with the WBEL situation. Nada. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From lowen@pari.edu Sat Nov 20 19:52:03 2004 From: lowen@pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:52:03 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> References: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> <419E2537.2000106@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <419E2B93.1070509@info.nl> Message-ID: <200411201452.03797.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 19 November 2004 12:21, Michiel van Es wrote: > William Warren wrote: > > They CAn be..but he maintainers of the distro have chosen not to..as is > > their right..:) > a) try to reply under the quote > b) it is NOT their right 'cause the whole product is Open Source and is > a community based. They can refuse help if they want to. They can also quit distributing WBEL at all. Sure, existing copies can be continued, but 'they' do not have to do anything you want them to do. I'll agree with William Hooper on this; if I were John I would be thinking about shutting the whole public availability of WBEL from beau.org down. He owns what he does, and he can refuse help if he wants to. You cannot force him to do otherwise. You probably would be happier with more of a community RHEL3 rebuild; why don't you try one out and help them? > When I'm screaming I have this distro for you and it is perfect, I can > expect people will ask counterquestions if something is broke. John Morris's original announcement made it clear that the Library was underwriting WBEL for their internal uses, and was allowing him to make it publicly available. Nowhere did he claim it was perfect, and he has never asked for anyone's help. And we as the user group around it cannot force him to accept our help. Those are simple facts. If it's so broken in your mind, then use something else or fork it yourself; IOW, put up or shut up. And, incidentally, I am down to one server running WBEL. Going to 'sidegrade' it to something else (probably Scientific Linux, since I'm using that one for several workstations, or possibly CentOS). As I posted earlier, moving to CentOS from WBEL is not hard, does not require any more downtime than a typical kernel upgrade (that is, a single reboot), and you are basically running the same software afterwards. WBEL met my needs for a while, but I, like you, would prefer something a little more community-based for my needs. In my case, I'm simply going elsewhere, since John has made it clear how he is running beau.org's distribution (which is his right to do). The much harder upgrade/sidegrade/downgrade I'm doing soon is an FC2 box to RHEL4-beta. That one promises to have issues. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk Sat Nov 20 22:28:21 2004 From: nigel.kendrick@petdoctors.co.uk (Nigel Kendrick) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:28:21 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Thanks for the replies folks Message-ID: <001001c4cf50$3e805e70$5c02a8c0@NKLAPTOP> Many thanks to those who took the time to reply to my question about the updates. I look forward to a happy, long-standing relationship with my 3 (soon to be 4) servers running WBEL. NK From javanree@vanree.net Sun Nov 21 16:29:20 2004 From: javanree@vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:29:20 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] ATAPI DVD+RW drive question Message-ID: <200411211729.20889.javanree@vanree.net> Short question : I bought a NEC 3500D DVD+/-RW unit for my workstation. I'm familiair with SCSI CD-R stuff, but ATAPI is new to me. >From 'dmesg' hda: C/H/S=20510/81/100 from BIOS ignored ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe hdc: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: WDC WD2000JB-55GVA0, ATA DISK drive ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hdd: attached ide-disk driver. hdd: host protected area => 1 hdd: 390721968 sectors (200050 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=24321/255/63 I first tried using 'cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI' which showed the burner OK. However burning a regular CD-R failed almost instantly. Then I started looking into the ide-scsi thing, following the CD Writing howto but those indications (grub boot option 'hdc=ide-scsi') caused the box to fail booting. ATM k3b doesn't understand the hdc device as either a reader or writer. Is there anybody here with experience on how to get this to work in a simple way? Thanks in advance! -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From hawk82 Sun Nov 21 18:36:28 2004 From: hawk82 (hawk82) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:36:28 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: <200411201737.iAKHbVOa021631@library.beau.org> References: <200411201737.iAKHbVOa021631@library.beau.org> Message-ID: How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. Josh On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:34 -0500, Mir wrote: > I'm not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have > created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of the > latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations and > just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems to work > fine, on one of the installs I chose "everything" and it installed fine. > Never asks for CDs! J Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum for > the install media verification. Unfortunately I don't really have access to > a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if > anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, I'm > open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). > > > > Thanks > > D Mir. > > mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com From mshapiro@Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Sun Nov 21 20:45:50 2004 From: mshapiro@Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Shapiro, Mark) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:45:50 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail Message-ID: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA03178709@e2k1.fullerton.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D00B.15C441CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently loaded WBEL 3.0 Respin 1 on one of my workstations, and I am having difficulty mailing files from the machine. =20 $mail mshapiro@fullerton.edu < testfile =20 Fails with the following message: =20 The following addresses had permanent fatal errors --------- mshapiro@fullerton.edu (reason: 553 5.1.8 mshapiro@localhost.localdomain>.... 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D00B.15C441CC-- From Jeff Macdonald Sun Nov 21 21:06:01 2004 From: Jeff Macdonald (Jeff Macdonald) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:06:01 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail In-Reply-To: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA03178709@e2k1.fullerton.edu> References: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA03178709@e2k1.fullerton.edu> Message-ID: <45ae9037041121130645ebbc1f@mail.gmail.com> put the name of your machine into: /etc/mail/local-host-names On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:45:50 -0800, Shapiro, Mark wrote: > > > > I recently loaded WBEL 3.0 Respin 1 on one of my workstations, and I am > having difficulty mailing files from the machine. > > > > $mail mshapiro@fullerton.edu < testfile > > > > Fails with the following message: > > > > The following addresses had permanent fatal errors --------- > > mshapiro@fullerton.edu > > (reason: 553 5.1.8 mshapiro@localhost.localdomain>.... Domain of > sender +address > > mshpairo@localhost.localdomain does not exist) > > > > …………………………………………………….. > > > > Something needs to be configured so that the mail is sent from > mshapiro@ion3.fullerton.edu > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dr. Mark H. Shapiro > > Professor of Physics, Emeritus > > California State University, Fullerton > > Phone: 714 278-3884 > > FAX: 714 278-5810 > > email: mshapiro@fullerton.edu > > web: http://chaos.fullerton.edu/Shapiro.html > > travel and family pictures: > > http://community.webshots.com/user/mhshapiro > > > > -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA From mshapiro@Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Sun Nov 21 21:34:52 2004 From: mshapiro@Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Shapiro, Mark) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:34:52 -0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail Message-ID: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA0317870F@e2k1.fullerton.edu> Dear Jeff, Thanks, I found that I needed to include the host names in /etc/mail/local-host-names in order to send mail to the machine. To send mail from the machine, I also had to include the hostnames in the /etc/hosts file. Dr. Mark H. Shapiro Professor of Physics, Emeritus California State University, Fullerton Phone: 714 278-3884 FAX: 714 278-5810 email: mshapiro@fullerton.edu web: http://chaos.fullerton.edu/Shapiro.html travel and family pictures: http://community.webshots.com/user/mhshapiro -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Macdonald [mailto:macfisherman@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:06 PM To: Shapiro, Mark Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail put the name of your machine into: /etc/mail/local-host-names On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:45:50 -0800, Shapiro, Mark wrote: > > > > I recently loaded WBEL 3.0 Respin 1 on one of my workstations, and I am > having difficulty mailing files from the machine. > > > > $mail mshapiro@fullerton.edu < testfile > > > > Fails with the following message: > > > > The following addresses had permanent fatal errors --------- > > mshapiro@fullerton.edu > > (reason: 553 5.1.8 mshapiro@localhost.localdomain>.... Domain of > sender +address > > mshpairo@localhost.localdomain does not exist) > > > > .............................................................. > > > > Something needs to be configured so that the mail is sent from > mshapiro@ion3.fullerton.edu > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dr. Mark H. Shapiro > > Professor of Physics, Emeritus > > California State University, Fullerton > > Phone: 714 278-3884 > > FAX: 714 278-5810 > > email: mshapiro@fullerton.edu > > web: http://chaos.fullerton.edu/Shapiro.html > > travel and family pictures: > > http://community.webshots.com/user/mhshapiro > > > > -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA From weeboy@conorwynne.com Sun Nov 21 23:36:16 2004 From: weeboy@conorwynne.com (Conor Wynne) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:36:16 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail In-Reply-To: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA0317870F@e2k1.fullerton.edu> References: <5C36F75B2DA8DA4E808181DE0F482DCA0317870F@e2k1.fullerton.edu> Message-ID: <1101080176.25942.2.camel@snowwhite.conorwynne.com> --=-6vb7bt/l8AnjDQiZdyR1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 21:34, Shapiro, Mark wrote: > Dear Jeff, >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > I found that I needed to include the host names in > /etc/mail/local-host-names in order to send mail to the machine. >=20 > To send mail from the machine, I also had to include the hostnames in > the /etc/hosts file. If 'uname -r' tells you that your hostname is 'localhost.localdomain', then you also need to edit /etc/sysconfig/network, and add it to there.=20 >=20 > Dr. Mark H. Shapiro > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Macdonald [mailto:macfisherman@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:06 PM > To: Shapiro, Mark > Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Help Configuring Sendmail >=20 > put the name of your machine into: >=20 > /etc/mail/local-host-names >=20 >=20 > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:45:50 -0800, Shapiro, Mark > wrote: > > =20 > > =20 > >=20 > > I recently loaded WBEL 3.0 Respin 1 on one of my workstations, and I > am > > having difficulty mailing files from the machine.=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > $mail mshapiro@fullerton.edu < testfile=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Fails with the following message:=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ---------=20 > >=20 > > mshapiro@fullerton.edu=20 > >=20 > > (reason: 553 5.1.8 mshapiro@localhost.localdomain>.... > Domain of > > sender +address=20 > >=20 > > mshpairo@localhost.localdomain does not exist)=20 > >=20 > --=20 > Jeff Macdonald --=20 Conor Wynne Dublin, Irlande. GPG Key: http://www.conorwynne.com/gpg-key --=-6vb7bt/l8AnjDQiZdyR1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBoSZwTlURc8L++sIRAoU1AKCISpCReJ+hsS7jdYnI7J8J2bjKNACeNNC6 aG0ZWe0VS4mTnngrWUdxU0A= =YbeF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-6vb7bt/l8AnjDQiZdyR1-- From lscharf@aoe.vt.edu Mon Nov 22 03:35:13 2004 From: lscharf@aoe.vt.edu (Luke Scharf) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:35:13 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Greetings! Message-ID: <1101094513.29945.7.camel@lukeshouse> I just installed Whitebox Linux on my first production machine. I like what I see, and would like to contribute to the project. What needs to be done? Thanks, -Luke From mir@soartech.com Mon Nov 22 03:44:47 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (Mir) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:44:47 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411220344.iAM3ijIw002743@library.beau.org> NP, First let me say I have been looking for a FTP site to upload, if I find one I will post the address. Well I basically followed this link: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story14425.html Here is my ?condensed?/laymans version: I did this in Windows XP PRO (sans SP2 of course ;-), don't ask why, ok I'll tell ya!, I haven't installed linux yet on my new machine because it is Intel SATA RAID 0 and I don't have the time but the procedure should not be much, if at all, different on Linux: 1) Make a Dir for work being done (I called mine C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/) 2) Dump entire contents of 3 CDs in sub-directories eg. C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1, C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc2, C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc3 3) Next make your DVD iso Dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc 4) Here is where it gets slightly complicated (though not really but maybe I my explanation might confuse some). COPY (not move) the isolinux directory from the first cd to the working dir >xcopy /F /H /E C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/isolinux/ C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/isolinux you'll need it for creating the bootable part of the DVD. 5) That wasn't that bad was it? Ok now copy all CONTENT (not the dirs themselves) from all 3 discs into DVDiso dir (you could move instead if you are running out space!) and let it overwrite. IE. xcopy /F /H /E C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/* C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc/ Repeat for all 3 discs. **(don't quote me on these command lines I just used the GUI :-P) 6) Now edit (yes I use the edit command in windows!!) .discinfo in your DVD iso dir to include all three disc: Orig .discinfo 1087246080.55 White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 i386 1 RedHat/base RedHat/RPMS RedHat/pixmaps Fourth line indicates which disc it is but you can add multiple discs by comma separation! Your new .discinfo will look like: 1087246080.55 White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 i386 1,2,3 RedHat/base RedHat/RPMS RedHat/pixmaps 7) Almost done, now from what I could find on the web you CAN NOT make a bootable copy from most popular windows burning software, nero etc. they said use mkisofs, luckily a windows port has been around for a while (just google it!). I copied over mkisofs.exe and cygwin1.dll to my work dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/ . 8) Next use this command to make ISO image (remember this is ONE command): mkisofs.exe -o Whatever-You-Want-Here-dvd.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -R -m TRANS.TBL WBDVDDisc/ 9) That’s it! You should have an ISO image that is about 1.7GB in size and bootable. Now you can burn with any burning software with iso support. ***Usual Warranties, Dangers, Exceptions, "I told you so"s apply. Your mileage may vary.** Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of hawk82 Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:36 PM To: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. Josh On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:34 -0500, Mir wrote: > I'm not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have > created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of the > latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations and > just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems to work > fine, on one of the installs I chose "everything" and it installed fine. > Never asks for CDs! J Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum for > the install media verification. Unfortunately I don't really have access to > a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if > anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, I'm > open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). > > > > Thanks > > D Mir. > > mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Mon Nov 22 12:36:26 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:36:26 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: <200411220344.iAM3ijIw002743@library.beau.org> References: <200411220344.iAM3ijIw002743@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41A1DD4A.7010602@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> actually you CAN make a bootable dvd with nero 5.5.10.35 and up. I am sure roxio 6 can too. Mir wrote: > NP, > > First let me say I have been looking for a FTP site to upload, if I find one > I will post the address. > > Well I basically followed this link: > > http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story14425.html > > Here is my ?condensed?/laymans version: > > I did this in Windows XP PRO (sans SP2 of course ;-), don't ask why, ok I'll > tell ya!, I haven't installed linux yet on my new machine because it is > Intel SATA RAID 0 and I don't have the time but the procedure should not be > much, if at all, different on Linux: > > 1) Make a Dir for work being done (I called mine C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/) > > 2) Dump entire contents of 3 CDs in sub-directories eg. > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1, C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc2, > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc3 > > 3) Next make your DVD iso Dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc > > 4) Here is where it gets slightly complicated (though not really but maybe I > my explanation might confuse some). COPY (not move) the isolinux directory > from the first cd to the working dir >xcopy /F /H /E > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/isolinux/ C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/isolinux you'll > need it for creating the bootable part of the DVD. > > 5) That wasn't that bad was it? Ok now copy all CONTENT (not the dirs > themselves) from all 3 discs into DVDiso dir (you could move instead if you > are running out space!) and let it overwrite. IE. xcopy /F /H /E > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/* C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc/ Repeat for all 3 > discs. **(don't quote me on these command lines I just used the GUI :-P) > > 6) Now edit (yes I use the edit command in windows!!) .discinfo in your DVD > iso dir to include all three disc: > > Orig .discinfo > > 1087246080.55 > White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 > i386 > 1 > RedHat/base > RedHat/RPMS > RedHat/pixmaps > > Fourth line indicates which disc it is but you can add multiple discs by > comma separation! Your new .discinfo will look like: > > 1087246080.55 > White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 > i386 > 1,2,3 > RedHat/base > RedHat/RPMS > RedHat/pixmaps > > 7) Almost done, now from what I could find on the web you CAN NOT make a > bootable copy from most popular windows burning software, nero etc. they > said use mkisofs, luckily a windows port has been around for a while (just > google it!). I copied over mkisofs.exe and cygwin1.dll to my work dir > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/ . > > 8) Next use this command to make ISO image (remember this is ONE command): > mkisofs.exe -o Whatever-You-Want-Here-dvd.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c > isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -R -m > TRANS.TBL WBDVDDisc/ > > 9) That’s it! You should have an ISO image that is about 1.7GB in size and > bootable. Now you can burn with any burning software with iso support. > > > ***Usual Warranties, Dangers, Exceptions, "I told you so"s apply. Your > mileage may vary.** > > Thanks! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] > On Behalf Of hawk82 > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:36 PM > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! > > How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. > > Josh > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:34 -0500, Mir wrote: > >> I'm not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have >>created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of the >>latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations and >>just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems to > > work > >>fine, on one of the installs I chose "everything" and it installed fine. >>Never asks for CDs! J Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum for >>the install media verification. Unfortunately I don't really have access > > to > >>a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if >>anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, I'm >>open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>D Mir. >> >>mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com Mon Nov 22 13:30:31 2004 From: Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com (Gary Mansell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:30:31 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Whitebox respin 2 availability or instructions for DIY respin.... Message-ID: <1101130231.13422.234.camel@grma-lap> Hi, I have been waiting for the promised Whitebox respin 2 to be released for several months now but to no avail. There is a real problem with the fact that the current respin 1 disks will not install on a lot of the latest hardware mainly because of lack of SATA support. This is causing me major problems - I am being forced to do SUSE 9.* installs that I could really do without. Can someone let me know when respin 2 will be available for download? If not, has someone got some instructions on how to create a new CD set of my own. This can be just a "bodge" to get the OS installed, if that is the simplest thing to do. I presume that it will need a new iso linux kernel and the current install would need to be changed to install the latest kernel RPM at a minimum, the rest can then be updated manually after a reboot. Thanks in advance for any help Gary Mansell -- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ricardo (save for reports and other documentation formally approved and signed for release to the intended recipient). 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From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Mon Nov 22 13:37:57 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:37:57 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Whitebox respin 2 availability or instructions for DIY respin.... In-Reply-To: <1101130231.13422.234.camel@grma-lap> References: <1101130231.13422.234.camel@grma-lap> Message-ID: <41A1EBB5.8010805@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Here's how John did Respin-1: http://whiteboxlinux.org/howto.html Best, Erik. Gary Mansell wrote: > Hi, > > I have been waiting for the promised Whitebox respin 2 to be released > for several months now but to no avail. There is a real problem with the > fact that the current respin 1 disks will not install on a lot of the > latest hardware mainly because of lack of SATA support. This is causing > me major problems - I am being forced to do SUSE 9.* installs that I > could really do without. > > Can someone let me know when respin 2 will be available for download? > > If not, has someone got some instructions on how to create a new CD set > of my own. This can be just a "bodge" to get the OS installed, if that > is the simplest thing to do. I presume that it will need a new iso linux > kernel and the current install would need to be changed to install the > latest kernel RPM at a minimum, the rest can then be updated manually > after a reboot. > > Thanks in advance for any help > > Gary Mansell From Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com Mon Nov 22 13:49:25 2004 From: Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com (Gary Mansell) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:49:25 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Whitebox respin 2 availability or instructionsfor DIY respin.... In-Reply-To: <41A1EBB5.8010805@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <1101130231.13422.234.camel@grma-lap> <41A1EBB5.8010805@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <1101131365.13422.238.camel@grma-lap> I have read this already but it goes a bit beyond my capabilities. I was hoping that there may be some advice someone can give me to create a "bodge" install cd just with the latest iso kernel to boot off of the cd and also a way of installing a latest kernel during the installation phase. I can then reboot the machine and up2date the rest of the packages. Does anyone know if anything like this is possible? On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 13:37, Erik Williamson wrote: > Here's how John did Respin-1: http://whiteboxlinux.org/howto.html > > Best, > Erik. > > Gary Mansell wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been waiting for the promised Whitebox respin 2 to be released > > for several months now but to no avail. There is a real problem with the > > fact that the current respin 1 disks will not install on a lot of the > > latest hardware mainly because of lack of SATA support. This is causing > > me major problems - I am being forced to do SUSE 9.* installs that I > > could really do without. > > > > Can someone let me know when respin 2 will be available for download? > > > > If not, has someone got some instructions on how to create a new CD set > > of my own. This can be just a "bodge" to get the OS installed, if that > > is the simplest thing to do. I presume that it will need a new iso linux > > kernel and the current install would need to be changed to install the > > latest kernel RPM at a minimum, the rest can then be updated manually > > after a reboot. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help > > > > Gary Mansell -- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Ricardo plc is a public limited company registered in England with registered number 00222915. The registered office of Ricardo plc is Bridge Works, Shoreham-by Sea, West Sussex, BN43 5FG. From diadicic@optonline.net Mon Nov 22 14:14:47 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (diadicic@optonline.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:14:47 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need to Clearify 3rc2. Message-ID: <24776c241b91.241b9124776c@optonline.net> Hello all, I was wondering if someone could clearify something for me. I thought release 3 rc2 was respin2, now I guess I am wrong. I Don't understand rc2. Thanks all Dominic Iadicicco From Benjamin J. Weiss" Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 diadicic@optonline.net wrote: > Hello all, > > I was wondering if someone could clearify something for me. > I thought release 3 rc2 was respin2, now I guess I am wrong. > I Don't understand rc2. > > > Thanks all rc2 is "Release Candidate 2" for the original whitebox release. Don't use the "rc#" releases, look for "rs#" releases. Ben From Alexander.Hartmaier@t-systems.at Mon Nov 22 14:48:01 2004 From: Alexander.Hartmaier@t-systems.at (Hartmaier Alexander) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:48:01 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Oracle 10g on WBEL Message-ID: <2812C04B56EA6B43BAFD046B6B9C476314A734@MX1MAIL1.int.neonet.at> Hi! I use oracle 10g 32bit version since about 8 weeks without a problem. Only installing the 32bit version an the 64bit WBEL was weird cause the installer doesn't pass gcc and ld the options to build 32bit executables. The workaround is described at http://www.gesinet.it/oracle/oracle10gonsles9amd64.html. *SNIP* The simplest way to solve the problem is to rename gcc and ld: linux: # mv /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc.orig linux: # mv /usr/bin/ld /usr/bin/ld.orig And create two wrappers: cat >gcc <<"EOF" #!/bin/bash exec /usr/bin/gcc.orig -m32 $@ EOF cat >ld <<"EOF" #!/bin/bash exec /usr/bin/ld.orig -melf_i386 $@ EOF linux: # chmod a+x /usr/bin/gcc linux: # chmod a+x /usr/bin/ld *SNIP* Since the x86_64 version is out since 10.11.2004 I will install it on the second IBM e-server 325 for testing and migrate to it if it runs as flawless as the 32bit version (and hopefully with asynchronous IO this time...). I will report my findings ;-) With kind regards Alexander Hartmaier T-Systems Austria GesmbH Rennweg 97-99 1030 Wien phone: +43 57057-4320 fax: +43 57057-95-4320 mobile: +43 676 8642 4320 mail: alexander.hartmaier@t-systems.at internet: http://www.t-systems.at *"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"* Hinweis: Dieses E-mail kann vertrauliche und geschützte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sein, verständigen Sie bitte den Absender und löschen Sie dieses E-mail dann sofort. Notice: This e-mail contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and then delete this e-mail immediately. *"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"* From puschl@puschl.at Mon Nov 22 14:48:25 2004 From: puschl@puschl.at (Johannes Puschmann) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:48:25 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: References: <200411201737.iAKHbVOa021631@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41A1FC39.20709@puschl.at> hawk82 wrote: > How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. > > Josh I have also built a WB-Respin1 DVD. Just follow the instructions on http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story14425.html and replace all *psyche* with whitebox. Works good for me. Puschl From diadicic@optonline.net Mon Nov 22 15:04:55 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (diadicic@optonline.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Need to Clearify 3rc2. Message-ID: <346ad734879e.34879e346ad7@optonline.net> Thank you, I get it now. I also scrolled down a little further on some of the ftp sites and saw were is clearly said respin1. thanks again Dom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin J. Weiss" Date: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:46 am Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Need to Clearify 3rc2. > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 diadicic@optonline.net wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I was wondering if someone could clearify something for me. > > I thought release 3 rc2 was respin2, now I guess I am wrong. > > I Don't understand rc2. > > > > > > Thanks all > > > rc2 is "Release Candidate 2" for the original whitebox release. > Don't use > the "rc#" releases, look for "rs#" releases. > > Ben > > From mir@soartech.com Mon Nov 22 16:39:15 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:39:15 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: <41A1DD4A.7010602@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411220344.iAM3ijIw002743@library.beau.org> <41A1DD4A.7010602@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <200411221139.15417.mir@soartech.com> Yes the feature is there but from what I read they can not proper grab the bootable image from isolinux (in fact I already tried this with latest ver of nero....didn't work). On Monday 22 November 2004 07:36 am, William Warren wrote: > actually you CAN make a bootable dvd with nero 5.5.10.35 and up. > I am sure roxio 6 can too. > > Mir wrote: > > NP, > > > > First let me say I have been looking for a FTP site to upload, if I find > > one I will post the address. > > > > Well I basically followed this link: > > > > http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story14425.html > > > > Here is my ?condensed?/laymans version: > > > > I did this in Windows XP PRO (sans SP2 of course ;-), don't ask why, ok > > I'll tell ya!, I haven't installed linux yet on my new machine because it > > is Intel SATA RAID 0 and I don't have the time but the procedure should > > not be much, if at all, different on Linux: > > > > 1) Make a Dir for work being done (I called mine C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/) > > > > 2) Dump entire contents of 3 CDs in sub-directories eg. > > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1, C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc2, > > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc3 > > > > 3) Next make your DVD iso Dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc > > > > 4) Here is where it gets slightly complicated (though not really but > > maybe I my explanation might confuse some). COPY (not move) the isolinux > > directory from the first cd to the working dir >xcopy /F /H /E > > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/isolinux/ C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/isolinux you'll > > need it for creating the bootable part of the DVD. > > > > 5) That wasn't that bad was it? Ok now copy all CONTENT (not the dirs > > themselves) from all 3 discs into DVDiso dir (you could move instead if > > you are running out space!) and let it overwrite. IE. xcopy /F /H /E > > C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/* C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc/ Repeat for all > > 3 discs. **(don't quote me on these command lines I just used the GUI > > :-P) > > > > 6) Now edit (yes I use the edit command in windows!!) .discinfo in your > > DVD iso dir to include all three disc: > > > > Orig .discinfo > > > > 1087246080.55 > > White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 > > i386 > > 1 > > RedHat/base > > RedHat/RPMS > > RedHat/pixmaps > > > > Fourth line indicates which disc it is but you can add multiple discs by > > comma separation! Your new .discinfo will look like: > > > > 1087246080.55 > > White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 > > i386 > > 1,2,3 > > RedHat/base > > RedHat/RPMS > > RedHat/pixmaps > > > > 7) Almost done, now from what I could find on the web you CAN NOT make a > > bootable copy from most popular windows burning software, nero etc. they > > said use mkisofs, luckily a windows port has been around for a while > > (just google it!). I copied over mkisofs.exe and cygwin1.dll to my work > > dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/ . > > > > 8) Next use this command to make ISO image (remember this is ONE > > command): mkisofs.exe -o Whatever-You-Want-Here-dvd.iso -b > > isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size > > 4 -boot-info-table -R -m TRANS.TBL WBDVDDisc/ > > > > 9) That’s it! You should have an ISO image that is about 1.7GB in size > > and bootable. Now you can burn with any burning software with iso > > support. > > > > > > ***Usual Warranties, Dangers, Exceptions, "I told you so"s apply. Your > > mileage may vary.** > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of hawk82 > > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:36 PM > > To: whitebox-users@beau.org > > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! > > > > How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. > > > > Josh > > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:34 -0500, Mir wrote: > >> I'm not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have > >>created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of > >> the latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations > >> and just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems > >> to > > > > work > > > >>fine, on one of the installs I chose "everything" and it installed fine. > >>Never asks for CDs! J Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum > >> for the install media verification. Unfortunately I don't really have > >> access > > > > to > > > >>a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if > >>anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, > >> I'm open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). > >> > >> > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>D Mir. > >> > >>mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Whitebox-users mailing list > > Whitebox-users@beau.org > > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- David Mir Systems Administrator Soar Technology, Inc. 3600 Green Ct. Ste 600 Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2588 734-327-8000 ext. 222 734-913-8537 (Fax) 269-274-4052 (Cell) www.soartech.com mir@soartech.com Mobile Text (160 chars max): mir_mobile@soartech.com From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Mon Nov 22 17:08:17 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:17 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! In-Reply-To: <200411221139.15417.mir@soartech.com> References: <200411220344.iAM3ijIw002743@library.beau.org> <41A1DD4A.7010602@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <200411221139.15417.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: <41A21D01.3000206@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> I made a bootable dvd of centos but my issue was i could not get the installer to recognize the dvd as an installation medium. I used nero 5.5.10.35 and i used the isolinux(or boot.iso) contained in the cd's to make it a linux bootable dvd. I have one more spare dvd blank. I will downlaod whitebox respin and try it again..:) David Mir wrote: > Yes the feature is there but from what I read they can not proper grab the > bootable image from isolinux (in fact I already tried this with latest ver of > nero....didn't work). > > On Monday 22 November 2004 07:36 am, William Warren wrote: > >>actually you CAN make a bootable dvd with nero 5.5.10.35 and up. >> I am sure roxio 6 can too. >> >>Mir wrote: >> >>>NP, >>> >>>First let me say I have been looking for a FTP site to upload, if I find >>>one I will post the address. >>> >>>Well I basically followed this link: >>> >>>http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story14425.html >>> >>>Here is my ?condensed?/laymans version: >>> >>>I did this in Windows XP PRO (sans SP2 of course ;-), don't ask why, ok >>>I'll tell ya!, I haven't installed linux yet on my new machine because it >>>is Intel SATA RAID 0 and I don't have the time but the procedure should >>>not be much, if at all, different on Linux: >>> >>>1) Make a Dir for work being done (I called mine C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/) >>> >>>2) Dump entire contents of 3 CDs in sub-directories eg. >>>C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1, C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc2, >>>C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc3 >>> >>>3) Next make your DVD iso Dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc >>> >>>4) Here is where it gets slightly complicated (though not really but >>>maybe I my explanation might confuse some). COPY (not move) the isolinux >>>directory from the first cd to the working dir >xcopy /F /H /E >>>C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/isolinux/ C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/isolinux you'll >>>need it for creating the bootable part of the DVD. >>> >>>5) That wasn't that bad was it? Ok now copy all CONTENT (not the dirs >>>themselves) from all 3 discs into DVDiso dir (you could move instead if >>>you are running out space!) and let it overwrite. IE. xcopy /F /H /E >>>C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDisc1/* C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/WBDVDDisc/ Repeat for all >>>3 discs. **(don't quote me on these command lines I just used the GUI >>>:-P) >>> >>>6) Now edit (yes I use the edit command in windows!!) .discinfo in your >>>DVD iso dir to include all three disc: >>> >>>Orig .discinfo >>> >>>1087246080.55 >>>White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 >>>i386 >>>1 >>>RedHat/base >>>RedHat/RPMS >>>RedHat/pixmaps >>> >>>Fourth line indicates which disc it is but you can add multiple discs by >>>comma separation! Your new .discinfo will look like: >>> >>>1087246080.55 >>>White Box Enterprise Linux 3.0 Respin 1 >>>i386 >>>1,2,3 >>>RedHat/base >>>RedHat/RPMS >>>RedHat/pixmaps >>> >>>7) Almost done, now from what I could find on the web you CAN NOT make a >>>bootable copy from most popular windows burning software, nero etc. they >>>said use mkisofs, luckily a windows port has been around for a while >>>(just google it!). I copied over mkisofs.exe and cygwin1.dll to my work >>>dir C:/Temp/WBDVD_work/ . >>> >>>8) Next use this command to make ISO image (remember this is ONE >>>command): mkisofs.exe -o Whatever-You-Want-Here-dvd.iso -b >>>isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size >>>4 -boot-info-table -R -m TRANS.TBL WBDVDDisc/ >>> >>>9) That’s it! You should have an ISO image that is about 1.7GB in size >>>and bootable. Now you can burn with any burning software with iso >>>support. >>> >>> >>>***Usual Warranties, Dangers, Exceptions, "I told you so"s apply. Your >>>mileage may vary.** >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org >>>[mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of hawk82 >>>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:36 PM >>>To: whitebox-users@beau.org >>>Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WhiteBox DVD iso! >>> >>>How about a short writeup on how you did this so others can replicate it. >>> >>>Josh >>> >>>On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:34 -0500, Mir wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure whether anyone has done this or not but I have >>>>created a Bootable White Box Respin 1 DVD that contains all 3 discs of >>>>the latest release White Box CDs. I have tested on several workstations >>>>and just finished installing on a Laptop (Dell D600). Everything seems >>>>to >>> >>>work >>> >>> >>>>fine, on one of the installs I chose "everything" and it installed fine. >>>>Never asks for CDs! J Only thing I have not done is create the md5sum >>>>for the install media verification. Unfortunately I don't really have >>>>access >>> >>>to >>> >>> >>>>a fast connection (well my cable modem but its upload stinks!). Well if >>>>anyone has a fast connection and wishes to post it please let me know, >>>>I'm open to other distribution methods (bit-torrent, etc.). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>D Mir. >>>> >>>>mir@_Remove_Me_soartech.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Whitebox-users mailing list >>>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >>> >>>--- >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Whitebox-users mailing list >>>Whitebox-users@beau.org >>>http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From mazurekd@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Mon Nov 22 17:45:41 2004 From: mazurekd@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Debbie Mazurek) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:45:41 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Oracle 10g on WBEL In-Reply-To: <2812C04B56EA6B43BAFD046B6B9C476314A734@MX1MAIL1.int.neonet.at> References: <2812C04B56EA6B43BAFD046B6B9C476314A734@MX1MAIL1.int.neonet.at> Message-ID: <1101145540.25143.6.camel@hotspot> Hi, Werner Puschitz's page ( www.puschitz.com ) on linux & oracle might help you - he's got excellent notes on installing various oracle versions to various redhat releases. dm On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 07:48, Hartmaier Alexander wrote: > Hi! > > I use oracle 10g 32bit version since about 8 weeks without a problem. > Only installing the 32bit version an the 64bit WBEL was weird cause the > installer doesn't pass gcc and ld the options to build 32bit > executables. > The workaround is described at > http://www.gesinet.it/oracle/oracle10gonsles9amd64.html. > > *SNIP* > The simplest way to solve the problem is to rename gcc and ld: > linux: # mv /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc.orig > linux: # mv /usr/bin/ld /usr/bin/ld.orig > > And create two wrappers: > cat >gcc <<"EOF" > #!/bin/bash > > exec /usr/bin/gcc.orig -m32 $@ > EOF > > cat >ld <<"EOF" > #!/bin/bash > > exec /usr/bin/ld.orig -melf_i386 $@ > EOF > > linux: # chmod a+x /usr/bin/gcc > linux: # chmod a+x /usr/bin/ld > *SNIP* > > Since the x86_64 version is out since 10.11.2004 I will install it on > the second IBM e-server 325 for testing and migrate to it if it runs as > flawless as the 32bit version (and hopefully with asynchronous IO this > time...). > I will report my findings ;-) > > With kind regards > Alexander Hartmaier > > T-Systems Austria GesmbH > Rennweg 97-99 1030 Wien > > phone: +43 57057-4320 > fax: +43 57057-95-4320 > mobile: +43 676 8642 4320 > mail: alexander.hartmaier@t-systems.at > internet: http://www.t-systems.at > > > > *"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"* > Hinweis: Dieses E-mail kann vertrauliche und geschtzte Informationen enthalten. > Sollten Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfnger sein, verstndigen Sie bitte den Absender und lschen Sie dieses E-mail dann sofort. > > Notice: This e-mail contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. > If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and then delete this e-mail immediately. > *"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"*"* > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users -- d e b b i e m a z u r e k system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary mazurekd@cpsc.ucalgary.ca From whitebox@greatlakedata.com Mon Nov 22 19:04:24 2004 From: whitebox@greatlakedata.com (gregwm) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:04:24 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] install whitebox via knoppix! In-Reply-To: <20040729201805.GB18290@wookimus.net> References: <1091112386.4720.66181.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729161250.GE9766@wookimus.net> <1091127214.950.863.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729201805.GB18290@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1101150263.11849.11720.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 15:18, Chad Walstrom wrote: > In order to limit your upgrades to security packages for sarge, you need > to subscribe to the security announcements email list for Debian and > manually populate your local archive with affected packages. that's the clincher that kept me in the whitebox camp, regardless that remote installs were to be a fair effort. that effort spent, i'm posting the procedure for posterity.. i managed to remotely install whitebox on a customer's new machines from far away, and without burning or sending the whitebox CDs! in theory i coulda just done a net install. but i didn't want to munge with my customer's server to setup a netboot. i did try anaconda's ftp install method. one bad rpm checksum and it just gave up without a retry. i figured a knoppix CD ought to provide an adequate base for an ISO install. well it wasn't as easy as i thought it ought to be. but now it can be, if somebody is willing to roll in fixes for the anaconda bugs and incompatibilities i found. concept outline: + download ISOs via rsync, plus enough packages to run yum + use rpm to unpack the packages + use yum to pull in enough to run anaconda + use a knoppix CD to wake up the new bare metal + install ISOs using anaconda + yum update never mind that i downloaded far more packages via rsync than were necessary to run yum. at first i hadn't even thought of using yum, too bad, would've saved me some time. i included X and VNC, though i never got them working. i'd started to include enough to have a bootable installer, though i ended up chrooting on top of knoppix. if you want to talk about fine tuning the process, how about if somebody segregates the essential smarts in anaconda and makes them available to yum, so i don't need to run yum twice, nor download any ISOs. or alternatively fix anaconda to be as robust as yum while working from a remote yum repository mirror. anyway, here's how i did it. or to be more accurate these are the notes i kept, which were intended to be the significant net result of all my thrashings as i laboured to make it work. in other words, no guarantees, and the usual yatta yatta disclaimers.. prepare this on existing (rh9) box: mkdir -p /b/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPa\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/iso/i386/liberation-respin1-\*\ /b/iso/whitebox mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/base/packages mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/usr/src/redhat rsync -vSPa\ --include=anaconda-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.src.rpm \ --include=anaconda-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=anaconda-runtime-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=rpm-4.2.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=rpm-python-4.2.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=rhpl-0.110.4-1.i386.rpm \ --include=popt-1.8.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=elfutils-0.94-1.i386.rpm \ --include=elfutils-libelf-0.94-1.i386.rpm \ --include=modutils-2.4.25-12.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=shadow-utils-4.0.3-20.i386.rpm \ --include=glibc-2.3.2-95.20.i386.rpm \ --include=glibc-common-2.3.2-95.20.i386.rpm \ --include=libgcc-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm\ --include=libpng-1.2.2-24.i386.rpm \ --include=libxml2-2.5.10-6.i386.rpm\ --include=libxml2-python-2.5.10-6.i386.rpm\ --include=laus-libs-0.1-56RHEL3.i386.rpm \ --include=krb5-libs-1.2.7-24.i386.rpm \ --include=XFree86-libs-4.3.0-62.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-62.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=fontconfig-2.2.1-8.0.i386.rpm \ --include=dev-3.3.12-1.i386.rpm \ --include=pam-0.75-54.i386.rpm \ --include=openssl-0.9.7a-33.4.i386.rpm \ --include=iproute-2.4.7-11.30E.1.i386.rpm \ --include=initscripts-7.31.13.EL-1.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=SysVinit-2.85-4.2.i386.rpm \ --include=sysklogd-1.4.1-12.1.i386.rpm \ --include=kudzu-1.1.22.2-1.i386.rpm \ --include=libgcj-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm\ --exclude=\*\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/i386/\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages rsync -vSPa --include=bash-2.05b-29.i386.rpm\ --include=bogl-0.1.9-27.i386.rpm\ --include=booty-0.31.1-1.i386.rpm\ --include=beecrypt-3.0.1-0.20030630.i386.rpm\ --include=basesystem-8.0-2.noarch.rpm\ --include=filesystem-2.2.1-3.i386.rpm\ --include=findutils-4.1.7-9.i386.rpm\ --include=coreutils-4.5.3-26.i386.rpm\ --include=chkconfig-1.3.8-3.i386.rpm\ --include=e2fsprogs-1.32-15.i386.rpm\ --include=mktemp-1.5-18.i386.rpm\ --include=hwdata-0.98-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=tzdata-2003c-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=parted-1.6.3-29.i386.rpm\ --include=procps-2.0.13-9.2E.i386.rpm\ --include=psmisc-21.3-1.RHEL.0.i386.rpm\ --include=python-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm\ --include=pyxf86config-0.3.5-1.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-devel-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-libglade-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=atk-1.2.4-3.0.i386.rpm\ --include=gtk+-1.2.10-27.1.i386.rpm\ --include=gtk2-2.2.4-4.0.i386.rpm\ --include=glib-1.2.10-11.1.i386.rpm\ --include=glib2-2.2.3-2.0.i386.rpm\ --include=zlib-1.1.4-8.1.i386.rpm\ --include=bzip2-1.0.2-11.i386.rpm\ --include=bzip2-libs-1.0.2-11.i386.rpm\ --include=cracklib-2.7-22.i386.rpm\ --include=cracklib-dicts-2.7-22.i386.rpm\ --include=libacl-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm\ --include=libattr-2.2.0-1.i386.rpm\ --include=libjpeg-6b-30.i386.rpm\ --include=libtiff-3.5.7-13.i386.rpm\ --include=libglade2-2.0.1-3.i386.rpm\ --include=libtermcap-2.0.8-35.i386.rpm\ --include=freetype-2.1.4-4.0.i386.rpm\ --include=XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-35.EL.i386.rpm\ --include=db4-4.1.25-8.i386.rpm\ --include=sed-4.0.7-3.i386.rpm\ --include=gmp-4.1.2-5.i386.rpm\ --include=gpm-1.19.3-27.2.i386.rpm\ --include=gdbm-1.8.0-20.i386.rpm\ --include=gawk-3.1.1-9.i386.rpm\ --include=grep-2.5.1-16.i386.rpm\ --include=info-4.5-3.i386.rpm\ --include=newt-0.51.5-1.i386.rpm\ --include=expat-1.95.5-6.i386.rpm\ --include=mount-2.11y-31.1.i386.rpm\ --include=pango-1.2.5-2.0.i386.rpm\ --include=which-2.14-7.i386.rpm\ --include=words-2-21.noarch.rpm\ --include=setup-2.5.27-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=slang-1.4.5-18.i386.rpm\ --include=ncurses-5.3-9.3.i386.rpm\ --include=termcap-11.0.1-17.1.noarch.rpm\ --include=readline-4.3-5.i386.rpm\ --include=mingetty-1.06-1.i386.rpm\ --include=pcre-3.9-10.i386.rpm\ --include=ethtool-1.8-2.i386.rpm\ --include=net-tools-1.60-20.i386.rpm\ --include=iputils-20020927-11.i386.rpm\ --include=util-linux-2.11y-31.1.i386.rpm\ --include=yum-2.0.4-2.WB1.noarch.rpm\ --include=gettext-0.11.4-7.i386.rpm\ --include=zip-2.3-16.i386.rpm\ --exclude=\*\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/base/packages rpm -Uvh --root=/b/installer/whitebox\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/*/packages/* ln -s /sbin/e2label /b/installer/whitebox/usr/sbin/e2label edit /b/installer/whitebox/etc/yum.conf, hardcode $releasever chroot /b/installer/whitebox LC_ALL=C yum install gnupg grub vnc vnc-server openssh-server fix booty bug: edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/booty/butil.py, replace line 152: #path is None return "Sublime Booty Linux" anaconda's attempt to protect the iso partition fails, so don't: edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/anaconda/partitions.py, comment out line 944: #request.setProtected(1) edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py: anaconda's attempt to launch syslog fails, so don't: comment out lines 794,919,1185: #syslog.start (instPath, syslogname) #syslog.stop() #syslog.stop() this umount will crash, so don't! at line 1038 comment out: #if usbWasMounted: # isys.umount('/proc/bus/usb', removeDir = 0) # # see if unmount suceeded, if not pretent it isnt mounted # # because we're screwed anywyas if system is going to # # lock up # if iutil.isUSBDevFSMounted(): # usbWasMounted = 0 edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/sbin/anaconda: make exceptions non-fatal, comment out line 1078: #sys.excepthook = lambda type, value, tb, dispatch=dispatch, intf=intf: handleException(dispatch, intf, (type, value, tb)) prevent anaconda from forcing text mode: (well i was trying to get a vnc graphic install working, but sigh, never did) at line 805 comment out: #if (display_mode == 'g' and method and # (method.startswith('ftp://') or # method.startswith('http://') or # method.startswith('hd://') or # method.startswith('oldhd://'))): # dup_log(_("Graphical installation not available for %s installs. " # "Starting text mode.") % (string.split(method, ':')[0],)) # display_mode = 't' # time.sleep(2) we're done with the RPMs, no need to xfer them: mv /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum\ /b/installer/whitebox.var.cache.yum i had my customer do this on the new machines: boot knoppix3.4 CD. launch terminal window. Xvnc :1& DISPLAY=:1 xterm& so i could do the rest myself: (find new machine's DHCP interaction in server log) (ssh to firewall with port forwards for new machines) (attach vncviewer) parted (telling disk druid to format partitions will hang, do it here now) mkpartfs primary ext2 0 9000 (/) mkpartfs primary ext2 9000 10025 (installer, then swap) mkpartfs primary ext2 10025 (/v) mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox mkdir -p /v mount /dev/hda2 /b/installer/whitebox mount /dev/hda3 /v mkdir -p /v/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPaxessh :/b/iso/whitebox/\ /v/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPazessh :/b/installer/whitebox/\ /b/installer/whitebox cp -b /etc/resolv.conf /b/installer/whitebox/etc/resolv.conf umount /v chroot /b/installer/whitebox mount -n -t proc /proc /proc LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 /usr/lib/python2.2/pdb.py /usr/sbin/anaconda --headless --text --method=hd:///dev/hda3:ext2/iso/whitebox work with installed system before booting: mkdir /a1 mount /dev/hda1 /a1 chroot /a1 edit /etc/fstab for the following changes: revert the installer to my swap partition: parted rm 2 mkpartfs primary linux-swap i really wanted ext3, but knoppix parted wouldn't do it: tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 tune2fs -j /dev/hda3 why not run yum update before booting: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-whitebox yum update implant other config stuff, then boot! bon appetit, greg From creeves@kua.net Mon Nov 22 20:35:17 2004 From: creeves@kua.net (Christian Reeves) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:35:17 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? Message-ID: <200411222035.iAMKZhsT009040@library.beau.org> The mirror that was posted early on (http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org) is a great for updating an already 'in-production' machine but the bandwidth is pretty slow for my situation. I'm curious if there's other mirrors anyone has heard of that would be better suited for the situation below. My situation: When I build servers I don't install ANYTHING at all (eg. I uncheck everything during the GIUs install process) and built the server from scripts utlizing yum depending on the type of machine it will be (mailhub, DNS, hosting, database server...etc...) So for my new server builds, the initial update process is a beast with a slow update server. Granted I update the cache file as part of my scripts and place it in /var/yum/cache before each build begins but the actual d/l and install of the packages can take many many hours from this mirror. Needless to say I think it unfair to hog this generous person's bandwidth (if in fact is is a limited pipe - which it seems to be from my end). So are there any other mirrors that can oblige my new server builds? Thanks for the feedback and interesting reading! Christian From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Mon Nov 22 20:50:44 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:50:44 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <200411222035.iAMKZhsT009040@library.beau.org> References: <200411222035.iAMKZhsT009040@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41A25124.3070800@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> why not setup your own local repository that uses rsynch to keep itself updated with another mirror? Christian Reeves wrote: > The mirror that was posted early on > (http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org) is a great for > updating an already 'in-production' machine but the bandwidth is pretty slow > for my situation. I'm curious if there's other mirrors anyone has heard of > that would be better suited for the situation below. > > My situation: When I build servers I don't install ANYTHING at all (eg. I > uncheck everything during the GIUs install process) and built the server > from scripts utlizing yum depending on the type of machine it will be > (mailhub, DNS, hosting, database server...etc...) So for my new server > builds, the initial update process is a beast with a slow update server. > Granted I update the cache file as part of my scripts and place it in > /var/yum/cache before each build begins but the actual d/l and install of > the packages can take many many hours from this mirror. Needless to say I > think it unfair to hog this generous person's bandwidth (if in fact is is a > limited pipe - which it seems to be from my end). So are there any other > mirrors that can oblige my new server builds? > > Thanks for the feedback and interesting reading! > Christian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > . > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From javanree@vanree.net Mon Nov 22 20:56:03 2004 From: javanree@vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:56:03 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <200411222035.iAMKZhsT009040@library.beau.org> References: <200411222035.iAMKZhsT009040@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <200411222156.03426.javanree@vanree.net> On Monday 22 November 2004 21:35, Christian Reeves wrote: > The mirror that was posted early on > (http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/whiteboxlinux.org) is a great for > updating an already 'in-production' machine but the bandwidth is pretty > slow for my situation. I'm curious if there's other mirrors anyone has > heard of that would be better suited for the situation below. > > My situation: When I build servers I don't install ANYTHING at all (eg. I > uncheck everything during the GIUs install process) and built the server > from scripts utlizing yum depending on the type of machine it will be > (mailhub, DNS, hosting, database server...etc...) So for my new server > builds, the initial update process is a beast with a slow update server. > Granted I update the cache file as part of my scripts and place it in > /var/yum/cache before each build begins but the actual d/l and install of > the packages can take many many hours from this mirror. Needless to say I > think it unfair to hog this generous person's bandwidth (if in fact is is > a limited pipe - which it seems to be from my end). So are there any > other mirrors that can oblige my new server builds? Why not leech the updates tree once, set up an old box as http machine and use that when building servers? I mirror the updates weekly, copied the contents of the 3 binary CD's and thus set up my own yum repo. Specially if you do many servers, this way you will save yourself time and others valuable bandwitdh. If you just mirror the updates every couple of days you'll always be up-to-date. -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From creeves@kua.net Mon Nov 22 23:15:15 2004 From: creeves@kua.net (Christian Reeves) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:15:15 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <41A25124.3070800@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <200411222315.iAMNFgXH031169@library.beau.org> > why not setup your own local repository that uses rsynch to > keep itself updated with another mirror? After the reading over the past few days and considering I build servers frequently and maintain quite a few that's probably a great idea. Then, a mirror outage like we've seen recently would only hurt my ability to update and not slow my server build to a snail's pace. I'll look for info on how to make my own repository (I'm sure it's been covered in the list) IF you have any quick reference on how to get it going I would be much appreciative. From kbohling@birddog.com Mon Nov 22 23:31:14 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:31:14 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <200411222315.iAMNFgXH031169@library.beau.org> References: <41A25124.3070800@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <200411222315.iAMNFgXH031169@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <20041122233110.GA10571@hawk.birddog.com> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:15:15PM -0500, Christian Reeves wrote: > > > why not setup your own local repository that uses rsynch to > > keep itself updated with another mirror? > > > After the reading over the past few days and considering I build servers > frequently and maintain quite a few that's probably a great idea. Then, a > mirror outage like we've seen recently would only hurt my ability to update > and not slow my server build to a snail's pace. I'll look for info on how to > make my own repository (I'm sure it's been covered in the list) IF you have > any quick reference on how to get it going I would be much appreciative. #!/bin/sh # re-rsync'ing the entire os and iso dirs is probably overkill given # that they never change. However, it should be relatively light # over rsync, and I want a script that always works from scratch. RSYNC_BASE="rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/" versionList="3.0" for ver in $versionList do for subdir in os iso do for arch in i386 do echo "Fetching WhiteBox: /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/" mkdir -p /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. done done rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/updates/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/updates/. done # God only knows what brain damage the mirrors have done to i386 and # updates directory, I used to never do this, but after getting # tired of waiting days for the mirrors and whiteboxlinux.org to # re-sync, I do this myself if only so my repository will always # have a consistant set of yum header files. /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386 /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/updates # End of shell script. Run the above script, modifying the base path (I really should put in MIRROR_PREFIX="/mirrors/whitebox", and use $MIRROR_PREFIX in the script. Then add this in the appropriate place to your httpd.conf: (Personally, I place it in /etc/httpd/conf.d/kickstart.conf where I put all the Apache directives to make my kickstart server go). Alias /whitebox "/mirrors/whitebox" Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all Then do: # service httpd restart Use your favorite web browser to ensure that http://hostname/whitebox does in fact work. Now edit /etc/yum.conf to point to the correct relative path. Thanks, Kirby From creeves@kua.net Tue Nov 23 00:20:24 2004 From: creeves@kua.net (Christian Reeves) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:20:24 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <20041122233110.GA10571@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <200411230020.iAN0Kp0s004335@library.beau.org> > #!/bin/sh > > # re-rsync'ing the entire os and iso dirs is probably > overkill given # that they never change. However, it should > be relatively light # over rsync, and I want a script that > always works from scratch. > > RSYNC_BASE="rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/" > versionList="3.0" > > for ver in $versionList > do > for subdir in os iso > do > for arch in i386 > do > echo "Fetching WhiteBox: > /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/" > mkdir -p > /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch > rsync -avr -P > $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. > /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. > done > done > rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/updates/. > /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/updates/. > done > > # God only knows what brain damage the mirrors have done to > i386 and # updates directory, I used to never do this, but > after getting # tired of waiting days for the mirrors and > whiteboxlinux.org to # re-sync, I do this myself if only so > my repository will always # have a consistant set of yum header files. > > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386 > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/updates # > End of shell script. > > Run the above script, modifying the base path (I really > should put in MIRROR_PREFIX="/mirrors/whitebox", and use > $MIRROR_PREFIX in the script. > > > Then add this in the appropriate place to your httpd.conf: > (Personally, I place it in /etc/httpd/conf.d/kickstart.conf > where I put all the Apache directives to make my kickstart server go). > > Alias /whitebox "/mirrors/whitebox" > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > Then do: > > # service httpd restart > > Use your favorite web browser to ensure that > http://hostname/whitebox does in fact work. > > Now edit /etc/yum.conf to point to the correct relative path. Brilliant...syncing now...I'll test her out tomorrow. Thanks again!! From Tony.Hoffmann@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Tue Nov 23 00:39:04 2004 From: Tony.Hoffmann@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Hoffmann, Tony) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:39:04 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? Message-ID: You could also use lftp to do your mirror. It is supposed to be less taxing on the server end than rsync. Scientific Linux has a web page on how to do this to mirror their distro at https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/howto/mirror -----Original Message----- From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org]On Behalf Of Kirby C. Bohling Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:31 PM To: Christian Reeves Cc: whitebox-users@beau.org Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:15:15PM -0500, Christian Reeves wrote: > > > why not setup your own local repository that uses rsynch to > > keep itself updated with another mirror? > > > After the reading over the past few days and considering I build servers > frequently and maintain quite a few that's probably a great idea. Then, a > mirror outage like we've seen recently would only hurt my ability to update > and not slow my server build to a snail's pace. I'll look for info on how to > make my own repository (I'm sure it's been covered in the list) IF you have > any quick reference on how to get it going I would be much appreciative. #!/bin/sh # re-rsync'ing the entire os and iso dirs is probably overkill given # that they never change. However, it should be relatively light # over rsync, and I want a script that always works from scratch. RSYNC_BASE="rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/" versionList="3.0" for ver in $versionList do for subdir in os iso do for arch in i386 do echo "Fetching WhiteBox: /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/" mkdir -p /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. done done rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/updates/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/updates/. done # God only knows what brain damage the mirrors have done to i386 and # updates directory, I used to never do this, but after getting # tired of waiting days for the mirrors and whiteboxlinux.org to # re-sync, I do this myself if only so my repository will always # have a consistant set of yum header files. /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386 /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/updates # End of shell script. Run the above script, modifying the base path (I really should put in MIRROR_PREFIX="/mirrors/whitebox", and use $MIRROR_PREFIX in the script. Then add this in the appropriate place to your httpd.conf: (Personally, I place it in /etc/httpd/conf.d/kickstart.conf where I put all the Apache directives to make my kickstart server go). Alias /whitebox "/mirrors/whitebox" Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all Then do: # service httpd restart Use your favorite web browser to ensure that http://hostname/whitebox does in fact work. Now edit /etc/yum.conf to point to the correct relative path. Thanks, Kirby _______________________________________________ Whitebox-users mailing list Whitebox-users@beau.org http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From michiele@info.nl Tue Nov 23 11:47:00 2004 From: michiele@info.nl (Michiel van Es) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:47:00 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <20041122233110.GA10571@hawk.birddog.com> References: <41A25124.3070800@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <200411222315.iAMNFgXH031169@library.beau.org> <20041122233110.GA10571@hawk.birddog.com> Message-ID: <41A32334.4000707@info.nl> Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:15:15PM -0500, Christian Reeves wrote: > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # re-rsync'ing the entire os and iso dirs is probably overkill given > # that they never change. However, it should be relatively light > # over rsync, and I want a script that always works from scratch. > > RSYNC_BASE="rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/" > versionList="3.0" > > for ver in $versionList > do > for subdir in os iso > do > for arch in i386 > do > echo "Fetching WhiteBox: /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/" > mkdir -p /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch > rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. > done > done > rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/updates/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/updates/. > done > > # God only knows what brain damage the mirrors have done to i386 and > # updates directory, I used to never do this, but after getting > # tired of waiting days for the mirrors and whiteboxlinux.org to > # re-sync, I do this myself if only so my repository will always > # have a consistant set of yum header files. > > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386 > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/updates > # End of shell script. > Kirby, this script is also pulling the SRPMs and ISO files. How can I exclude these within your rsync script? I only want the RPMS and updates for I386,I486,I586 and I686. > > Thanks, > Kirby > Michiel > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From matt@xrefer.com Tue Nov 23 12:19:34 2004 From: matt@xrefer.com (Matt Dainty) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:19:34 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: <41A32334.4000707@info.nl> References: <41A25124.3070800@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <200411222315.iAMNFgXH031169@library.beau.org> <20041122233110.GA10571@hawk.birddog.com> <41A32334.4000707@info.nl> Message-ID: <1101212374.26638.80.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 11:47, Michiel van Es wrote: > Kirby C. Bohling wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:15:15PM -0500, Christian Reeves wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > # re-rsync'ing the entire os and iso dirs is probably overkill given > > # that they never change. However, it should be relatively light > > # over rsync, and I want a script that always works from scratch. > > > > RSYNC_BASE="rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/" > > versionList="3.0" > > > > for ver in $versionList > > do > > for subdir in os iso > > do > > for arch in i386 > > do > > echo "Fetching WhiteBox: /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/" > > mkdir -p /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch > > rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/$subdir/$arch/. > > done > > done > > rsync -avr -P $RSYNC_BASE/$ver/en/updates/. /mirrors/whitebox/$ver/en/updates/. > > done > > > > # God only knows what brain damage the mirrors have done to i386 and > > # updates directory, I used to never do this, but after getting > > # tired of waiting days for the mirrors and whiteboxlinux.org to > > # re-sync, I do this myself if only so my repository will always > > # have a consistant set of yum header files. > > > > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386 > > /usr/bin/yum-arch -s -v /mirrors/whitebox/3.0/en/updates > > # End of shell script. > > > > > Kirby, this script is also pulling the SRPMs and ISO files. > How can I exclude these within your rsync script? man rsync? In fact, you can reduce the script to one invocation of rsync with careful use of its --include and --exclude options. I'm not going to start a shell scripting pissing contest mind... :-) Matt From diadicic@optonline.net Tue Nov 23 13:51:16 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:51:16 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks Message-ID: <41A34054.4020103@optonline.net> Hello all, Need some info, Have to upgrade some some RH 9 Servers that are about to go into heavy use. Is anyone out there using WB for Mid to Enterprise Range level networks? By mid range I mean anywhere from 100 to 200 clients and servers. And if so How do you like it? Would you recommend it? Does it have limitations for being a RH based distro, or is it just as good? Thanks all Dominic From haynest@mchsi.com Tue Nov 23 17:22:56 2004 From: haynest@mchsi.com (haynest@mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:22:56 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks Message-ID: <112320041722.14341.4eee@mchsi.com> > Is anyone out there using WB for Mid to Enterprise Range level > networks? By mid range I mean anywhere from 100 to 200 clients and > servers. > And if so How do you like it? Dominic... We are using Whitebox for network file storage via samba. We authenticate off the Windows domain. The 800 or so users have userdirectory web pages, and this machine serves them up via apache. We are a laptop school, and the server sees hard use with students using the various resources. This seems like a mid-to-enterprise level install to me. We could not be happier. This machine has been the energizer bunny of servers. We have a minimal installation with no gui and all the services we don't need turned off. It just works. Regards... Tom From jaldeguer@safnow.net Tue Nov 23 18:21:09 2004 From: jaldeguer@safnow.net (Joe Aldeguer) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:21:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Open Webmail at Beauregard Parish Library Message-ID: <29163.66.105.133.51.1101234069.squirrel@66.105.133.51> I noticed the smart folks at Beauregard Library are using Open Webmail. I'm curious why choose Open Webmail over Squirrelmail which is part of the Red Hat distro? Joe From liz@indract.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 23 22:54:18 2004 From: liz@indract.freeserve.co.uk (Francies Moore) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:54:18 -0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL on SATA plus Lotus Domino Message-ID: <003001c4d1af$5dcb8f00$2b514e51@Marina> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D1AF.5D1BC700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone I have been interested to hear of people having SATA problems as I have = been running WBEL on a SATA-based machine since August. The only = distros we had that would install on SATA were Fedora 1, Mandrake and = WBEL - and I did not want to run a mission-critical system on a = constantly-changing desktop release so WBEL it was! I cannot say at = present what exact mobo we are using, but it is a Gigabyte Titan Pentium = 4-Xeon model with two large SATA drives - but I am not using RAID.=20 It is blisteringly fast and WBEL seems very stable. I am running Lotus Domino 6.5.1 on this machine as a mail server and so = far it seems to be working pretty well. I promised a long while ago to = give the url of a website which describes the process I used for setting = up Domino on WBEL and here it is: www.sangster.freeuk.com/domino. Domino = probably will not run on FC2 or 3 as it needs the 2.4 kernel. Hope this is of interest and may be of use to someone else. Best wishes. Francies ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D1AF.5D1BC700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone
 
I have been interested to hear of = people having=20 SATA problems as I have been running WBEL on a SATA-based machine since=20 August.  The only distros we had that would install on SATA = were=20 Fedora 1, Mandrake and WBEL - and I did not want to run a = mission-critical=20 system on a constantly-changing desktop release so WBEL it was!  I = cannot=20 say at present what exact mobo we are using, but it is a Gigabyte Titan = Pentium=20 4-Xeon model with two large SATA drives - but I am not using RAID. =
 
It is blisteringly fast and WBEL seems = very=20 stable.
 
I am running Lotus Domino 6.5.1 on this = machine as=20 a mail server and so far it seems to be working pretty well.  I = promised a=20 long while ago to give the url of a website which describes the process = I used=20 for setting up Domino on WBEL and here it is: www.sangster.freeuk.com/do= mino.=20 Domino probably will not run on FC2 or 3 as it needs the 2.4=20 kernel.
 
Hope this is of interest and may be of = use to=20 someone else.
 
Best wishes.
 
Francies
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C4D1AF.5D1BC700-- From craigwhite@azapple.com Wed Nov 24 01:33:58 2004 From: craigwhite@azapple.com (Craig White) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:33:58 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <112320041722.14341.4eee@mchsi.com> References: <112320041722.14341.4eee@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1101260038.17053.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 10:22, haynest@mchsi.com wrote: > > Is anyone out there using WB for Mid to Enterprise Range level > > networks? By mid range I mean anywhere from 100 to 200 clients and > > servers. > > And if so How do you like it? > > Dominic... > > We are using Whitebox for network file storage via samba. We authenticate off > the Windows domain. The 800 or so users have userdirectory web pages, and this > machine serves them up via apache. We are a laptop school, and the server sees > hard use with students using the various resources. > > This seems like a mid-to-enterprise level install to me. > > We could not be happier. This machine has been the energizer bunny of servers. > We have a minimal installation with no gui and all the services we don't need > turned off. > > It just works. --- it works fine - if only John or Vicki would let us know of their intentions for the the continuity for WBEL which after 2 weeks of silence is beginning to concern me. Craig From haynest@mchsi.com Wed Nov 24 02:17:49 2004 From: haynest@mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:17:49 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <1101260038.17053.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org > [mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Craig White > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:34 PM > To: White Box Linux > Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks > > --- > it works fine - if only John or Vicki would let us know of > their intentions for the the continuity for WBEL which after > 2 weeks of silence is beginning to concern me. Last (academic) year we were running E-Smith, and it worked very well for us too. For a while we were using the E-Smith machine as the squid/filter box as well. I got concerned about the lack up updates, and the project seemed to be grinding to a halt. I had installed Whitebox on the developmental machine in December, and converted the LAMP machine over in January. At the end of this summer, the main student file/web server made the move. Currently the developmental machine is running ClarkConnect 3 beta, which is based on Fedora Core. Who knows what the future holds, but I figure if Sourceforge is running Fedora, it is worth a hard look. As an academic institution, we could get a RHEL AS license for the two machines at $50 each per year. I am playing with Debian (Sarge) on my laptop. The bottom line is that I am in an environment that is very windows-centric. They tolerate the Linux because is works and integrates seamlessly with the network as far as the user is concerned. The tech staff essentially does nothing with the Linux machines (I am a Math teacher.), and they are getting money for nothing and checks for free. As soon as I have downtime or a security problem, I may very well lose the Linux boxes. Reliability and security are critical to me, and I rely on these machines to do my job. FWIW... Tom From erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Nov 24 03:26:41 2004 From: erik@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Erik Williamson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:26:41 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41A3FF71.4040600@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> WBEL has been a lifesaver for us. we've got 3500 users, and use it for our Mail, Firewalls, NFS, Samba, Web, DHCP, print, cfengine and database servers - about 15-20 total. Rock solid. Knowing that it is a nearly exact clone of RHEL AS made it an easy sell to the higher-ups. I recommend it to anyone and everyone. e. Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org >>[mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Craig White >>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:34 PM >>To: White Box Linux >>Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks >> >>--- >>it works fine - if only John or Vicki would let us know of >>their intentions for the the continuity for WBEL which after >>2 weeks of silence is beginning to concern me. > > > Last (academic) year we were running E-Smith, and it worked very well for us > too. For a while we were using the E-Smith machine as the squid/filter box > as well. I got concerned about the lack up updates, and the project seemed > to be grinding to a halt. > > I had installed Whitebox on the developmental machine in December, and > converted the LAMP machine over in January. At the end of this summer, the > main student file/web server made the move. Currently the developmental > machine is running ClarkConnect 3 beta, which is based on Fedora Core. Who > knows what the future holds, but I figure if Sourceforge is running Fedora, > it is worth a hard look. > > As an academic institution, we could get a RHEL AS license for the two > machines at $50 each per year. > > I am playing with Debian (Sarge) on my laptop. > > The bottom line is that I am in an environment that is very windows-centric. > They tolerate the Linux because is works and integrates seamlessly with the > network as far as the user is concerned. The tech staff essentially does > nothing with the Linux machines (I am a Math teacher.), and they are getting > money for nothing and checks for free. As soon as I have downtime or a > security problem, I may very well lose the Linux boxes. > > Reliability and security are critical to me, and I rely on these machines to > do my job. > > FWIW... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From sklav@istop.com Wed Nov 24 06:01:54 2004 From: sklav@istop.com (Nick Sklav) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:01:54 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <1101260038.17053.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <112320041722.14341.4eee@mchsi.com> <1101260038.17053.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1101276113.10731.4.camel@source.sklav.com> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 20:33, Craig White wrote: > --- > it works fine - if only John or Vicki would let us know of their > intentions for the the continuity for WBEL which after 2 weeks of > silence is beginning to concern me. > > Craig > For Anybody interested i have rebuilt RHEL3.3 and have made working iso's if anybody is willing to help out with updates and what not i think we can accomodate those who are looking for more frequent updates. At the moment i have not put anything on the website for this project but if anybody is interested to download the iso's and test them please feel free to email me offlist as this is a whitebox list. I myself was turned of by the lack of updates, but i myself work full time and can understand the amount of work John and Vicky must be doing and that is also why im requesting help if anybody is willing to contribute. Thank you Ps: this might not be for everyone. From puschl@puschl.at Wed Nov 24 09:34:42 2004 From: puschl@puschl.at (Johannes Puschmann) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:34:42 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Mirror list In-Reply-To: <419E1372.7020609@fedoraforum.de> References: <419E1372.7020609@fedoraforum.de> Message-ID: <41A455B2.2010807@puschl.at> christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de wrote: > Hi, > > is there a "worldwide" Mirror list aviable for WBEL? The mirrors on the > WBEL-site are all from US or New-Zeeland. Not really. GDS (Goodie Domain Service)is located in Austria/Vienna, Belnet is from Belgium. > I“m asking because its easyer > to get an overview about the mirrors out there and easyier to manage my > yum.conf especially for people in Europe like me. Two examples about > what i“m talking about can be found here [1] and here [2]. > > > [1] http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/redhat-mirror2.html > [2] http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html [1] is nice. When i find the time, i will try to implement it on one of my company-servers. Regards Puschl From Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com Wed Nov 24 10:38:58 2004 From: Gary.Mansell@ricardo.com (Gary Mansell) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:38:58 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to create a "Bodged" Whitebox respin Install CD allow installon new hardware. Message-ID: <1101292738.13422.300.camel@grma-lap> Dear all Can anyone tell me if it would be possible to create a "bodged" Whitebox install CD that has the latest kernel on it so that it is possible to install Whitebox on the latest hardware that is around now. Looking at the CD and John's instructions, it seems to me that it should be easy to put a later kernel on the boot CD by burning a new one with a later kernel's vmlinuz file in the /isolinux directory of the CD. This, I presume will allow the installer to run with the new hardware. I guess that the real problem is how to install the latest kernel rpm at install time. Can anyone give me any ideas here? I presume that the rest of the packages can be up2dated in the normal manner after a reboot into the newly installed kernel. Any help gladly appreciated as I have not been able to install Whitebox onto any of the new machines that I have been buying recently. 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The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Ricardo accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. "Ricardo" means Ricardo plc and its subsidiary companies. Ricardo plc is a public limited company registered in England with registered number 00222915. The registered office of Ricardo plc is Bridge Works, Shoreham-by Sea, West Sussex, BN43 5FG. From kay.diederichs@uni-konstanz.de Wed Nov 24 10:48:59 2004 From: kay.diederichs@uni-konstanz.de (Kay Diederichs) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:48:59 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] Mirror list - yet another mirror (Europe) In-Reply-To: <41A455B2.2010807@puschl.at> References: <419E1372.7020609@fedoraforum.de> <41A455B2.2010807@puschl.at> Message-ID: Johannes Puschmann wrote: > christian.huegel@fedoraforum.de wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is there a "worldwide" Mirror list aviable for WBEL? The mirrors on >> the WBEL-site are all from US or New-Zeeland. > > > Not really. > GDS (Goodie Domain Service)is located in Austria/Vienna, Belnet is from > Belgium. > > > I“m asking because its easyer > >> to get an overview about the mirrors out there and easyier to manage >> my yum.conf especially for people in Europe like me. Two examples >> about what i“m talking about can be found here [1] and here [2]. >> >> >> [1] http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/redhat-mirror2.html >> [2] http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > > [1] is nice. > When i find the time, i will try to implement it on one of my > company-servers. > > Regards > Pusch > l I'm in Germany, but found gd.tuwien.ac.at to be very slow (on the order of 20kB/sec) for my purposes - keeping about 15-20 Whitebox Linux clients up and running. I have my own Whitebox mirror which anybody is welcome to use. Its Internet connection (University of Konstanz) is fast (> 1MB/sec). I mirror ncsu.edu with rsync -av mirror.physics.ncsu.edu::whitebox/3.0/en/ ~ftp/whitebox/3.0/en/ \ --exclude=SRPMS --exclude=obsolete-updates --exclude=liberation-\*.iso \ --include=liberation-respin\*.iso so I exclude the old .iso files and all the SRPMs and obsolete stuff. To use it (sorry, currently no rsync or http service), put the following into /etc/yum.conf : [base] name=White Box Enterprise Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=ftp://turn5.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/whitebox/$releasever/en/os/$basearch [updates-released] name=White Box Enterprise Linux $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates baseurl=ftp://turn5.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/whitebox/$releasever/en/updates/ Of course I cannot make promises concerning long-time availability; my plan is to keep this service as long as Whitebox serves my needs which it has been doing nicely since it became available. Kay From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 24 11:01:33 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:01:33 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] How to create a "Bodged" Whitebox respin Install CD allow installon new hardware. In-Reply-To: <1101292738.13422.300.camel@grma-lap> References: <1101292738.13422.300.camel@grma-lap> Message-ID: <1101294093.3123.21.camel@Myth.home.local> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 10:38 +0000, Gary Mansell wrote: > Dear all > > Can anyone tell me if it would be possible to create a "bodged" Whitebox > install CD that has the latest kernel on it so that it is possible to > install Whitebox on the latest hardware that is around now. > > Looking at the CD and John's instructions, it seems to me that it should > be easy to put a later kernel on the boot CD by burning a new one with a > later kernel's vmlinuz file in the /isolinux directory of the CD. This, > I presume will allow the installer to run with the new hardware. I guess > that the real problem is how to install the latest kernel rpm at install > time. Can anyone give me any ideas here? > > I presume that the rest of the packages can be up2dated in the normal > manner after a reboot into the newly installed kernel. > > Any help gladly appreciated as I have not been able to install Whitebox > onto any of the new machines that I have been buying recently It shouldn't be hard to create a boot ISO with all the latest updates on it. Before trying though, why not see if CentOS, Scientific Linux, or TaoLinux (which have released RHEL - Update 3 re-spins) kernels will install on a test machine. Just download CD-1 iso of either distro and do a text based minimal install and see if it works. If the Update 3 stuff works, you could then rebuild the install ISO for WBEL. > From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Wed Nov 24 12:38:05 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:38:05 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] alternative mirrors for my purpose? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101299886.3094.44.camel@Myth.home.local> On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 19:39 -0500, Hoffmann, Tony wrote: > You could also use lftp to do your mirror. It is supposed to be less > taxing on the server end than rsync. Scientific Linux has a web page > on how to do this to mirror their distro at > > https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/howto/mirror > > I took a look at lftp and the above site to see if it would be easy to use lftp to mirror a site. The only thing I see that is negative about an lftp mirror is that there is no md5 type comparison for the mirrored files. The positives are: 1. You can use ftp, http, sftp, hftp or fxp to do the mirror. 2. The server doesn't need any special setup to be done to mirror a directory. Something as simple as this can mirror specific directories (I will use filenames similar to SL example above, and show how to mirror the updates {minus SRPMS} in a local directory using http or ftp): --------- 1. create a mirror directory on your server ... mkdir /whitebox/3.0/en/updates 2. Create a file called download.background that contains this (I just picked a random WBEL http server to sync with): open http://ftp.kspei.com/mirrors/whiteboxlinux.org/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/ lcd /whitebox/3.0/en/updates mirror --delete --exclude SRPMS 3. call the lftp program to read your file ... lftp -f download.background -------- 1. The do the same thing via ftp ... the create download.background would be: set ftp:list-options -a open ftp.kspei.com:mirrors/whiteboxlinux.org/whitebox/3.0/en/updates lcd /whitebox/3.0/en/updates mirror --delete --exclude SRPMS 2. Then you would do the same command to mirror on your server ..... lftp -f download.background -------- So, I second the recommended use of lftp to mirror ... I randomly picked ftp.kspei.com as an example ... not to specifically recommend it above any of the other mirrors. -- Johnny Hughes From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 13:48:00 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:48:00 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> Message-ID: <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> Tom, Believe it or not, I am still running a RH9 Samba server that I have updated myself alittle, but it runs great. I am worried that the time has come to make the upgrade. However having a mixed environment of RH9 Fedora core2, CentOS3-1 and WB3 I don't know which way to go. The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has answers for them. 3.1 was great it was right on the money. 3.3 Bad. I ve also just starting messing with WB 3 rs1 and see that it is very good too. I don't know which way I am going to go. Dom Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: whitebox-users-admin@beau.org >>[mailto:whitebox-users-admin@beau.org] On Behalf Of Craig White >>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:34 PM >>To: White Box Linux >>Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks >> >>--- >>it works fine - if only John or Vicki would let us know of >>their intentions for the the continuity for WBEL which after >>2 weeks of silence is beginning to concern me. >> >> > >Last (academic) year we were running E-Smith, and it worked very well for us >too. For a while we were using the E-Smith machine as the squid/filter box >as well. I got concerned about the lack up updates, and the project seemed >to be grinding to a halt. > >I had installed Whitebox on the developmental machine in December, and >converted the LAMP machine over in January. At the end of this summer, the >main student file/web server made the move. Currently the developmental >machine is running ClarkConnect 3 beta, which is based on Fedora Core. Who >knows what the future holds, but I figure if Sourceforge is running Fedora, >it is worth a hard look. > >As an academic institution, we could get a RHEL AS license for the two >machines at $50 each per year. > >I am playing with Debian (Sarge) on my laptop. > >The bottom line is that I am in an environment that is very windows-centric. >They tolerate the Linux because is works and integrates seamlessly with the >network as far as the user is concerned. The tech staff essentially does >nothing with the Linux machines (I am a Math teacher.), and they are getting >money for nothing and checks for free. As soon as I have downtime or a >security problem, I may very well lose the Linux boxes. > >Reliability and security are critical to me, and I rely on these machines to >do my job. > >FWIW... Tom > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > > From rdieter@math.unl.edu Wed Nov 24 14:01:43 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:01:43 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> Message-ID: <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > . The last > release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous bugs in it. I > don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has answers for them. I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? -- Rex From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 14:22:35 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:22:35 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> Message-ID: <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> Hi Rex, When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle trouble that is solved by using --nodeps option. After that when you run mozilla you'll notice that the font are not that good. I think this is do to the fact that the font directory "/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts/truetype" is not in /etc/X11/fs/config for xfs, so that mozilla can use these fonts. I am not sure. also when you start OO, You won't be able to read the menu at the "File, Edit View ......." because their fonts are really messed up and small. Now this too could be because of the xfs problem. Or just an OO thing. I don't know. But I never get any of my post answered on the CentOS mailing list. I have come to a conclusion about that. Nobody cares about these things. I am still evaluating as far as the server quality of it. As I said before please don't take it as I am angry. I have plenty of other distro's to use. I just found out about Scientific Linux. I hope this help a little. Dom Rex Dieter wrote: > Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > >> . The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous >> bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has answers >> for them. > > > I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide > some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? > > -- Rex > From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Wed Nov 24 14:58:43 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:58:43 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> Message-ID: <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply rebuilds to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. Do blame CentOS for RHELU3's problems. Go take a look at the taroon mailing list. This is a known issue by RH. Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > Hi Rex, > > When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for > Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do > install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle > trouble that is solved by using --nodeps option. After that when you run > mozilla you'll notice that the font are not that good. I think this is > do to the fact that the font directory > "/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts/truetype" is not in /etc/X11/fs/config > for xfs, so that mozilla can use these fonts. I am not sure. also when > you start OO, You won't be able to read the menu at the "File, Edit View > ......." because their fonts are really messed up and small. Now this > too could be because of the xfs problem. Or just an OO thing. I don't > know. But I never get any of my post answered on the CentOS mailing > list. I have come to a conclusion about that. Nobody cares about these > things. I am still evaluating as far as the server quality of it. As I > said before please don't take it as I am angry. I have plenty of other > distro's to use. I just found out about Scientific Linux. > I hope this help a little. > > Dom > > > Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >> >>> . The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous >>> bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has answers >>> for them. >> >> >> >> I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide >> some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? >> >> -- Rex >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 15:04:55 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <41A4A317.5050308@optonline.net> At least the WB mail list was able to ansewer the problem. CentOS didn't even respon to it. that all I ever wanted. William Warren wrote: > the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply > rebuilds to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. Do blame > CentOS for RHELU3's problems. Go take a look at the taroon mailing > list. This is a known issue by RH. > > > > Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > >> Hi Rex, >> >> When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for >> Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do >> install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle >> trouble that is solved by using --nodeps option. After that when you >> run mozilla you'll notice that the font are not that good. I think >> this is do to the fact that the font directory >> "/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts/truetype" is not in >> /etc/X11/fs/config for xfs, so that mozilla can use these fonts. I am >> not sure. also when you start OO, You won't be able to read the menu >> at the "File, Edit View ......." because their fonts are really >> messed up and small. Now this too could be because of the xfs >> problem. Or just an OO thing. I don't know. But I never get any of my >> post answered on the CentOS mailing list. I have come to a conclusion >> about that. Nobody cares about these things. I am still evaluating as >> far as the server quality of it. As I said before please don't take >> it as I am angry. I have plenty of other distro's to use. I just >> found out about Scientific Linux. >> I hope this help a little. >> >> Dom >> >> >> Rex Dieter wrote: >> >>> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >>> >>>> . The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous >>>> bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has >>>> answers for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide >>> some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? >>> >>> -- Rex >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > From webmaster@ew3d.com Wed Nov 24 15:30:15 2004 From: webmaster@ew3d.com (John Hinton) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:30:15 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <41A4A907.1000005@ew3d.com> >>> >>> I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide >>> some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? >>> >>> -- Rex >>> >> > I just DL'd and did a couple of installs of CentOS-3.3. One is a complete install of all packages, the other simply a webserver install with all the goodies a typical webserver could have. The install process was pretty much identical, just some different CentOS graphics. The only snag I have hit so far seems to be the thorn in the side of WBEL as well.... up2date/yum update. I wound up needing to do a rpm --import http://mirror.caosity.org/centos-3/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 to get the key set right. So far, in my download of the distro and my download of updates, there seems to be plenty of fast mirrors. The CentOS website is undergoing major changes at the moment. They are about to put up a wiki and FAQs are being rebuilt at the moment, so there isn't much there. Also, the group apparently could use a little money from time to time to help with the cost of bandwidth and such. The updates seem to happen quickly. I think I'll be doing some conversions, which I understand are easy to do. I bet we could twist Johnny Hughes' arm a bit and get him to put up a howto on the subject. ;) (thanks already for all you do Johnny!) I was looking at both CentOS and WBEL from the start. CentOS at that early point seemed to be a bit too disjointed as the 'group' worked out what it was going to do. I liked better the 'exact copy' scenario, which is apparently where CentOS wound up, and where WBEL was from the very start. John Hinton From grahamp@wsieurope.com Wed Nov 24 15:31:29 2004 From: grahamp@wsieurope.com (Graham Purcocks) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:31:29 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <41A4A951.9070604@wsieurope.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040202020408040207090605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doesn't answer why no-one told him, if its that simple. William Warren wrote: > the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply rebuilds > to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. Do blame CentOS for > RHELU3's problems. Go take a look at the taroon mailing list. This is > a known issue by RH. > > > > Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > >> Hi Rex, >> >> When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for >> Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do >> install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle >> trouble that is solved by using --nodeps option. After that when you >> run mozilla you'll notice that the font are not that good. I think >> this is do to the fact that the font directory >> "/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts/truetype" is not in >> /etc/X11/fs/config for xfs, so that mozilla can use these fonts. I am >> not sure. also when you start OO, You won't be able to read the menu >> at the "File, Edit View ......." because their fonts are really messed >> up and small. Now this too could be because of the xfs problem. Or >> just an OO thing. I don't know. But I never get any of my post >> answered on the CentOS mailing list. I have come to a conclusion about >> that. Nobody cares about these things. I am still evaluating as far as >> the server quality of it. As I said before please don't take it as I >> am angry. I have plenty of other distro's to use. I just found out >> about Scientific Linux. >> I hope this help a little. >> >> Dom >> >> >> Rex Dieter wrote: >> >>> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >>> >>>> . The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous >>>> bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has >>>> answers for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you provide >>> some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? >>> >>> -- Rex >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Whitebox-users mailing list >> Whitebox-users@beau.org >> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >> > --------------040202020408040207090605 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="grahamp.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="grahamp.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Graham Purcocks n:Purcocks;Graham email;internet:grahamp@wsieurope.com tel;work:+44 121 233 7600 tel;fax:+44 121 233 7666 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------040202020408040207090605-- From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 15:52:47 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:52:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> Top posting corrected. > Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > >> Hi Rex, >> >> >> When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for >> Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do >> install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle trouble >> that is solved by using --nodeps option. Without knowing the exact situation you had (and not being able to find your post in their list), let me say this. The vast majority of the time, if --nodeps is the answer you are asking the wrong question. William Warren said: > the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply rebuilds > to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. I have never had to use --nodeps to install an RPM from Red Hat. -- William Hooper From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 16:05:51 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:05:51 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A4A951.9070604@wsieurope.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <41A4A951.9070604@wsieurope.com> Message-ID: <41A4B15F.9070400@optonline.net> What are you going to do. It all water under the bridge now. I am using 3.1 and doing fine with that. I sure things will get better. Graham Purcocks wrote: > Doesn't answer why no-one told him, if its that simple. > > William Warren wrote: > >> the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply >> rebuilds to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. Do blame >> CentOS for RHELU3's problems. Go take a look at the taroon mailing >> list. This is a known issue by RH. >> >> >> >> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >> >>> Hi Rex, >>> >>> When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for >>> Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do >>> install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle >>> trouble that is solved by using --nodeps option. After that when you >>> run mozilla you'll notice that the font are not that good. I think >>> this is do to the fact that the font directory >>> "/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts/truetype" is not in >>> /etc/X11/fs/config for xfs, so that mozilla can use these fonts. I >>> am not sure. also when you start OO, You won't be able to read the >>> menu at the "File, Edit View ......." because their fonts are really >>> messed up and small. Now this too could be because of the xfs >>> problem. Or just an OO thing. I don't know. But I never get any of >>> my post answered on the CentOS mailing list. I have come to a >>> conclusion about that. Nobody cares about these things. I am still >>> evaluating as far as the server quality of it. As I said before >>> please don't take it as I am angry. I have plenty of other distro's >>> to use. I just found out about Scientific Linux. >>> I hope this help a little. >>> >>> Dom >>> >>> >>> Rex Dieter wrote: >>> >>>> Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >>>> >>>>> . The last release of CentOS (3.3) was terrible. It has ridiculous >>>>> bugs in it. I don't feel I can trust that one. And no one has >>>>> answers for them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was about to begin evaluating CentOS-3.3 myself. Could you >>>> provide some details about the bugs/problems you encounterred? >>>> >>>> -- Rex >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Whitebox-users mailing list >>> Whitebox-users@beau.org >>> http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users >>> >> From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 16:51:04 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:51:04 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Different Subject on Eneterprise Linux Message-ID: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> Hello all, For those using B,CentOS,SL, or RHEL with a Samba only domain controller. How do you do windows client updates? What do you use for a SUS type of server? I have heard of non MS based products that will run on XP 2000 wks and update a whole network but have not tried any of them personally. Thanks Dom From rk@raimokoski.com Wed Nov 24 16:52:09 2004 From: rk@raimokoski.com (Raimo Koski) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:52:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, William Hooper wrote: > Top posting corrected. > > > Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > > > >> Hi Rex, > >> > >> > >> When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for > >> Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do > >> install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle trouble > >> that is solved by using --nodeps option. > > Without knowing the exact situation you had (and not being able to find > your post in their list), let me say this. The vast majority of the time, > if --nodeps is the answer you are asking the wrong question. > > William Warren said: > > the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply rebuilds > > to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. > > I have never had to use --nodeps to install an RPM from Red Hat. Quite likely there was some problem in U3 openoffice because a new version was released so soon: Sep 4 07:05 /usr/src/redhat/UPDRPMS.old/openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-16.13.EL.i386.rpm Sep 17 12:21 /usr/src/redhat/UPDRPMS.old/openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-16.14.EL.i386.rpm Those are the dates when Lineox built them, so they are up to one day later than source availability. U3 was released by Lineox as ACLEL 3.032 and the most recent is 3.048, so the fixed openoffice must have been in ACLEL for a while. I didn't notice any openoffice related problems in U3 build, so I can't say anything about possible problems in CentOS, but because Lineox makes ACLEL disks these kind of problems get fixed automatically. -- Raimo Koski http://www.lineox.com http://www.raimokoski.com/ From diadicic@optonline.net Wed Nov 24 19:01:14 2004 From: diadicic@optonline.net (Dominic Iadicicco) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:01:14 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Different Subject on Eneterprise Linux In-Reply-To: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> References: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <41A4DA7A.3040808@optonline.net> Does anyone here have samba bases netwoks without 2000 servers on them? Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > Hello all, > > For those using B,CentOS,SL, or RHEL with a Samba only domain > controller. How do you do windows client updates? What do you use > for a SUS type of server? I have heard of non MS based products that > will run on XP 2000 wks and update a whole network but have not tried > any of them personally. > > > Thanks > > Dom > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > From subsolar@subsolar.org Wed Nov 24 19:06:15 2004 From: subsolar@subsolar.org (Paul) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:06:15 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Different Subject on Eneterprise Linux In-Reply-To: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> References: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1101323175.8931.10.camel@azure> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 11:51 -0500, Dominic Iadicicco wrote: > Hello all, > > For those using B,CentOS,SL, or RHEL with a Samba only domain > controller. How do you do windows client updates? What do you use for > a SUS type of server? I have heard of non MS based products that will > run on XP 2000 wks and update a whole network but have not tried any of > them personally. I had some thoughts of trying to reverse the chat between the Windows Update client and SUS server, but decided it was easier to just pay MS $800 for a W2K Server license and use SUS. Since all the 50+ W2K workstations at work all have the same administrator password and the administrative share is avaiable on them (\\\C$) I used a batch file to copy over batch file that would apply all the patches I wanted off of one of our samba servers. The only reason I stopped was SUS seemed like less work on my part to keep system patched since not all the systems would be on during the day and many patched required rebooting, so I would end up comming in over the weekend and switching on all the workstations, preparing my install script and then executing to update workstations. With SUS I just approved the updates and whenever a configured client attaches to the network it gets all the approved updates. If you want I could send you the batch files I used to update the systems. Regards, Paul Berger > > > Thanks > > Dom > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From mir@soartech.com Wed Nov 24 19:15:42 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:15:42 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Article on CentOS 3.3 Message-ID: <200411241415.42554.mir@soartech.com> Yes I know this is a White box list but the article does mention whitebox and some people have had questions about other distros compared to whitebox. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/19/164243 (yes I know it's newsforge but this guy actually seems competent) -- David Mir Sys Admin mir@_remove_MEsoartech.com From kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com Wed Nov 24 21:29:20 2004 From: kodak@frontierhomemortgage.com (Jason Balicki) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:29:20 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Different Subject on Eneterprise Linux In-Reply-To: <41A4BBF8.9040308@optonline.net> Message-ID: <001901c4d26c$a8dc0930$0501a8c0@darkside> Dominic Iadicicco <> wrote: > For those using B,CentOS,SL, or RHEL with a Samba only domain > controller. How do you do windows client updates? What do you use > for a SUS type of server? I have heard of non MS based products that > will run on XP 2000 wks and update a whole network but have not tried > any of them personally. Dominic, Check out patchmanagement.org. They have a mailing list that is pretty active where we discuss these issues. There are many commercial packages that do what you're looking to do without having to have a MS server. There are free alternatives, but they all require significant work on your end to set up and maintain. The el-cheapo option is to just use the built in windows-updates, but that has significant drawbacks (which I suspect you're aware of, otherwise you wouldn't be asking. :) Personally, I'm between patch management options. I was trying to push them with logon scripts, but that got to be non-tractable (and very, very frustrating) mostly because I don't have the time to implement that sort of thing. I'm a one man IT shop and it's all I can do just to keep my users from electrocuting themselves. HTH, --J(K) From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Wed Nov 24 22:50:03 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:50:03 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom posting. Frankly i have tried to do both..i am not going to try to please everyone. If you want bottom posts let me see a majority vote off-list same goes for top posts..if i get no response i will do it my way..:) William Hooper wrote: > Top posting corrected. > > >>Dominic Iadicicco wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Rex, >>> >>> >>>When You first install it you'll notice that there is no option for >>>Openoffice. And OO will not get installed. Then even and when you do >>>install it for the rpms from the cdrom that will give you alittle trouble >>>that is solved by using --nodeps option. > > > Without knowing the exact situation you had (and not being able to find > your post in their list), let me say this. The vast majority of the time, > if --nodeps is the answer you are asking the wrong question. > > William Warren said: > >>the bug is not in centOS the bug is in RHEL which CentOS simply rebuilds >>to remove RHEL trademarked information out of. > > > I have never had to use --nodeps to install an RPM from Red Hat. > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 23:23:15 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:23:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> William Warren said: > What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom > posting. Frankly i have tried to do both..i am not going to try to please > everyone. If you want bottom posts let me see a majority vote off-list > same goes for top posts..if i get no response i will do it my way..:) As a general rule on technical lists, inline replying is best. Barring that (for example, this message, where it wouldn't make sense) most lists prefer bottom posting. That way you get some context of the previous message to remind you of what the thread is about. Also make sure you trim non-relevant text (which I would guess is the cause of your being "corrected" for bottom posting). I generally don't care much about it, but it does make it easier to reply inline to multiple messages (as the example you replied to) if the comments are either inlined or bottom posted. -- William Hooper From mailing-lists@hughesjr.com Thu Nov 25 02:15:13 2004 From: mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:15:13 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1101348913.12411.1.camel@Myth.home.local> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 18:23 -0500, William Hooper wrote: > William Warren said: > > What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom > > posting. Frankly i have tried to do both..i am not going to try to please > > everyone. If you want bottom posts let me see a majority vote off-list > > same goes for top posts..if i get no response i will do it my way..:) > > As a general rule on technical lists, inline replying is best. Barring > that (for example, this message, where it wouldn't make sense) most lists > prefer bottom posting. That way you get some context of the previous > message to remind you of what the thread is about. > > Also make sure you trim non-relevant text (which I would guess is the > cause of your being "corrected" for bottom posting). > > I generally don't care much about it, but it does make it easier to reply > inline to multiple messages (as the example you replied to) if the > comments are either inlined or bottom posted. > If we are voting ... I vote for INLINE if possible, followed by BOTTOM posting :) From whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net Thu Nov 25 02:36:49 2004 From: whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net (whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:36:49 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Subversion installation woes Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to install subersion on WB3. I have seen the binary rpms on the subversion site (well they are for RH EL 3) and am not sure whether they'll stomp over something on my box (db42 rpm and all): The other option is FC3 but it seems that's would be harder since I'll have to update half of the system. What did you people do? I am starting to think about static executables or maybe a little UML installation of FC3 running on the side (read: I'm getting desperate)... TIA, Dusan From will_senn@comcast.net Thu Nov 25 02:45:18 2004 From: will_senn@comcast.net (Will Senn) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:45:18 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <1101348913.12411.1.camel@Myth.home.local> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> <1101348913.12411.1.camel@Myth.home.local> Message-ID: <41A5473E.7090109@comcast.net> --=======AVGMAIL-41A5473E0792======= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
It's difficult to do and requires
HTML or some other rich text
format, but don't y'all think
that left posting is best?

Year after year after year after year
doesn't anybody get tired of this
thread?
Johnny Hughes wrote:

On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 18:23 -0500, William Hooper wrote:

>William Warren said:
>
>>What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom
>>posting.  Frankly i have tried to do both..i am not going to try to please
>>everyone.  If you want bottom posts let me see a majority vote off-list
>>same goes for top posts..if i get no response i will do it my way..:)
>
>As a general rule on technical lists, inline replying is best.  Barring
>that (for example, this message, where it wouldn't make sense) most lists
>prefer bottom posting.  That way you get some context of the previous
>message to remind you of what the thread is about.
>
>Also make sure you trim non-relevant text (which I would guess is the
>cause of your being "corrected" for bottom posting).
>
>I generally don't care much about it, but it does make it easier to reply
>inline to multiple messages (as the example you replied to) if the
>comments are either inlined or bottom posted.
>

If we are voting ... I vote for INLINE if possible, followed by BOTTOM
posting :)

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Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 11/24/2004 --=======AVGMAIL-41A5473E0792=======-- From whooperhsd2@earthlink.net Thu Nov 25 02:53:25 2004 From: whooperhsd2@earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:53:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A5473E.7090109@comcast.net> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> <1101348913.12411.1.camel@Myth.home.local> <41A5473E.7090109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2257.192.168.0.254.1101351205.squirrel@whooper.org> Will Senn said: > It's difficult to do and requires > HTML or some other rich text > format, but don't y'all think that left posting is best? Hey, the question was politely asked, so I answered. > Year after year after year after year > doesn't anybody get tired of this thread? Generally. However, it's not the same person asking it every year. As long as the thread doesn't get out of control (which it has a habit of doing), I don't think was a bad question. -- William Hooper From will_senn@comcast.net Thu Nov 25 03:26:47 2004 From: will_senn@comcast.net (Will Senn) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:26:47 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <2257.192.168.0.254.1101351205.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> <1101348913.12411.1.camel@Myth.home.local> <41A5473E.7090109@comcast.net> <2257.192.168.0.254.1101351205.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <41A550F7.3090402@comcast.net> William Hooper wrote: >Will Senn said: > > >>It's difficult to do and requires >>HTML or some other rich text >>format, but don't y'all think that left posting is best? >> >> > >Hey, the question was politely asked, so I answered. > > > >>Year after year after year after year >>doesn't anybody get tired of this thread? >> >> > >Generally. However, it's not the same person asking it every year. As >long as the thread doesn't get out of control (which it has a habit of >doing), I don't think was a bad question. > > > Just kidding :) Will -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 11/24/2004 From sudev@mantraonline.com Thu Nov 25 03:43:44 2004 From: sudev@mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:13:44 +0530 Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <1403.192.168.0.254.1101338595.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1101354224.22392.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 04:53, William Hooper wrote: > William Warren said: > > What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom > > posting. Frankly i have tried to do both..i am not going to try to please > > everyone. If you want bottom posts let me see a majority vote off-list > > same goes for top posts..if i get no response i will do it my way..:) In-line and bottom gets my vote. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From matt@xrefer.com Thu Nov 25 10:05:39 2004 From: matt@xrefer.com (Matt Dainty) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:05:39 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Subversion installation woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101377139.26638.97.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 02:36, whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to install subersion on WB3. I have seen the binary rpms on the > subversion site (well they are for RH EL 3) and am not sure whether they'll > stomp over something on my box (db42 rpm and all): > > > > The other option is FC3 but it seems that's would be harder since I'll have > to update half of the system. What did you people do? I installed the ones found here: http://people.redhat.com/jorton/Taroon-svn/ ...which are designed to work *with* the existing packages rather than replace them. Yes, those other ones will replace certain RHEL/WBEL packages, which unless your box is *solely* for Subversion, you'll probably find RPM dependency clashes with other packages. Plus these are available as a Yum repository. Matt From jon@foneport.com Thu Nov 25 11:36:44 2004 From: jon@foneport.com (Jon Hill) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:36:44 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA + RAID 1 + Samba PDC + Suitability Message-ID: <200411251136.44606.jon@foneport.com> Hi I am about to setup a Linux File Server for an organisation to use as a Windows Primary Domain Controller. The hardware has Serial ATA with a 'Promise' controller. I want to configure as software RAID 1. I also need to install a INITIO INIC 1060P SCSI controller that will be running an HP C5683A DAT drive. My main questions are. Does anyone have experience with similar setups? Is WB stable with Serial ATA? Regards Cyril From rdieter@math.unl.edu Thu Nov 25 14:45:48 2004 From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:45:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [WBEL-users] Using WB for Enterprise level Networks In-Reply-To: <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> References: <200411240220.iAO2K1dZ001318@library.beau.org> <41A49110.7030801@optonline.net> <41A49447.4050001@math.unl.edu> <41A4992B.20305@optonline.net> <41A4A1A3.7040309@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> <2053.12.29.16.103.1101311567.squirrel@whooper.org> <41A5101B.2060007@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, William Warren wrote: > What is the standard i get "corrected" for top and bottom posting. Frankly i IMO, whoever corrected you for bottom posting should be the one being corrected. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu Computer System Administrator http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Department of Mathematics University of Nebraska Lincoln From whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net Thu Nov 25 16:22:06 2004 From: whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net (whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:22:06 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Subversion installation woes In-Reply-To: <1101377139.26638.97.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> References: <1101377139.26638.97.camel@emperor.xrefer.com> Message-ID: Matt Dainty writes: > On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 02:36, whiteboxlinux.org@dusanv.net wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to install subersion on WB3. I have seen the binary rpms on the >> subversion site (well they are for RH EL 3) and am not sure whether they'll >> stomp over something on my box (db42 rpm and all): >> >> >> >> The other option is FC3 but it seems that's would be harder since I'll have >> to update half of the system. What did you people do? > > I installed the ones found here: > > http://people.redhat.com/jorton/Taroon-svn/ > > ...which are designed to work *with* the existing packages rather than > replace them. > > Yes, those other ones will replace certain RHEL/WBEL packages, which > unless your box is *solely* for Subversion, you'll probably find RPM > dependency clashes with other packages. > > Plus these are available as a Yum repository. > > Matt > Works. Thanks! Dusan From andrewvong@finpress.com Fri Nov 26 08:21:50 2004 From: andrewvong@finpress.com (Andrew Vong) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:21:50 +0800 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA + RAID 1 + Samba PDC + Suitability In-Reply-To: <200411251136.44606.jon@foneport.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041126161754.00b98d90@mail.finpress.com> Hi Cyril / Jon, I'm about to embark on the same task myself. WBEL, SATA + Promise controller, Hardware RAID 1, Samba to serve as a PDC. I would like to know the answer myself. Any comments would be great. I have used WBEL for a few month now (not as a PDC) and it's excellent. Thanks. Regards, Andrew At 11:36 AM 25/11/2004 +0000, Jon Hill wrote: >Hi > >I am about to setup a Linux File Server for an organisation to use as a >Windows Primary Domain Controller. > >The hardware has Serial ATA with a 'Promise' controller. >I want to configure as software RAID 1. >I also need to install a INITIO INIC 1060P SCSI controller that will be >running an HP C5683A DAT drive. > >My main questions are. >Does anyone have experience with similar setups? >Is WB stable with Serial ATA? > >Regards > >Cyril > > > >_______________________________________________ >Whitebox-users mailing list >Whitebox-users@beau.org >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From jon@foneport.com Fri Nov 26 09:47:42 2004 From: jon@foneport.com (Jon Hill) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:47:42 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] SATA + RAID 1 + Samba PDC + Suitability In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041126161754.00b98d90@mail.finpress.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20041126161754.00b98d90@mail.finpress.com> Message-ID: <200411260947.42141.jon@foneport.com> Andrew I originally setup the machine 6 months ago and then I chose Fedora Core 2 because it supported the Promise controller. Normally I would have chosen a less cutting edge distro for the purpose. The PDC worked well, but I have had a disk failure and had problems with the boot loader and the way I had configured the RAID setup. So, I am now considering WBEL, if it can handle the hardware. I can probably offer help on the PDC setup. I only had requirements for Windows XP clients so I have no experience of trying to get it to work with more than one type of Windows setup. Jon On Friday 26 November 2004 08:21, Andrew Vong wrote: > Hi Cyril / Jon, > > I'm about to embark on the same task myself. WBEL, SATA + Promise > controller, Hardware RAID 1, Samba to serve as a PDC. I would like to know > the answer myself. Any comments would be great. > > I have used WBEL for a few month now (not as a PDC) and it's excellent. > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Andrew > > At 11:36 AM 25/11/2004 +0000, Jon Hill wrote: > >Hi > > > >I am about to setup a Linux File Server for an organisation to use as a > >Windows Primary Domain Controller. > > > >The hardware has Serial ATA with a 'Promise' controller. > >I want to configure as software RAID 1. > >I also need to install a INITIO INIC 1060P SCSI controller that will be > >running an HP C5683A DAT drive. > > > >My main questions are. > >Does anyone have experience with similar setups? > >Is WB stable with Serial ATA? > > > >Regards > > > >Cyril > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Whitebox-users mailing list > >Whitebox-users@beau.org > >http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users From rcortes@placevendome.cl Fri Nov 26 17:39:09 2004 From: rcortes@placevendome.cl (Rodrigo Cortes) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:39:09 -0300 Subject: [WBEL-users] problem with kernel x86_64 an xeon emt64t Message-ID: <942FE8577B22784B835AB9D8AB5BAA06783770@deimos.placevendome.cl> Hi I have xeon with emt64t and with x86_64 kernel work, original kernel in respin 1, detect 4 cpu with no smp kernel. With smp kernel not work and with kernel update ony one cpu work. With i686 kernel work great in smp mode. Any idea ? From javanree@vanree.net Fri Nov 26 22:15:43 2004 From: javanree@vanree.net (Jan-Albert van Ree) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:15:43 +0100 Subject: [WBEL-users] ATAPI DVD+RW drive question In-Reply-To: <4d19341b04112205581ef7bb6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200411211729.20889.javanree@vanree.net> <4d19341b04112205581ef7bb6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411262315.43625.javanree@vanree.net> On Monday 22 November 2004 14:58, ę™ä» wrote: > Could you provide the error message when cdrecord fail? > You can add "-d" or debug=9 to increase debug level. I fixed part of the problem (2 typo's in my grub.conf messed everything up)... cdrecord now sees the drive with a scanbus, however k3b keeps saying the device isn't available. I can do commandline burns fine, but want to be able to use k3b. The drive is on /dev/hdc , due to the ide-scsi layer it's now /dev/scd0 Whatever I try in k3b I can't get it to detect my drive. -- Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/ VanRee IT Solutions | http://www.vanree.net From lance@uklinux.net Sat Nov 27 00:06:35 2004 From: lance@uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <200411191104.05789.mir@soartech.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Mir wrote: > > Sorry I sent this out on Monday but used wrong reply address so it never got > posted |-) . > > After reading through the mailing list archives, trying several servers and > comparing packages to RHEL3 I realized that Whitebox Repository packages are > not being updated (I saw the post from Vikki). One of my biggest fears in > choosing a RHEL clone was that the support for packages would stop. Before I > start getting flames back....stop and save your energy.... I'm very grateful > and not complaining but I believe that Whitebox has a pretty big base. > > According to distrowatch: > Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > 1. White Box Enterprise Linux > 2. CentOS > 3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > 4. Tao Linux > 5. Fermi Linux Thats strange because I see :- 1. CentOS 2. Lineox Enterprise Linux 3. Tao Linux 4. White Box Enterprise Linux 5. Fermi Linux ??? Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From Mail-Lists@karan.org Mon Nov 29 11:25:59 2004 From: Mail-Lists@karan.org (Karanbir Singh) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:25:59 +0000 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AB0747.20106@karan.org> Lance Davis wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Mir wrote: >>Top 5 RHEL-based distributions >>1. White Box Enterprise Linux >>2. CentOS >>3. Lineox Enterprise Linux >>4. Tao Linux >>5. Fermi Linux > > > Thats strange because I see :- > > 1. CentOS > 2. Lineox Enterprise Linux > 3. Tao Linux > 4. White Box Enterprise Linux > 5. Fermi Linux > Hey Lance, What time period are you looking at ? at the default 6 month stats Whitebox ranks in at 39 and is significantly higher than cAos at 66th spot btw, I would not use the distro watch stats for any decision making process. Specially not for an Enterprise Grade app / role. Very few of the clusters of EL Box's are ever going to be counted out there. - K -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ GnuPG Public Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc From lance@uklinux.net Mon Nov 29 11:53:09 2004 From: lance@uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:53:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: <41AB0747.20106@karan.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Karanbir Singh wrote: > Lance Davis wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Mir wrote: > >>Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > >>1. White Box Enterprise Linux > >>2. CentOS > >>3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > >>4. Tao Linux > >>5. Fermi Linux > > > > > > Thats strange because I see :- > > > > 1. CentOS > > 2. Lineox Enterprise Linux > > 3. Tao Linux > > 4. White Box Enterprise Linux > > 5. Fermi Linux > > > > Hey Lance, > > What time period are you looking at ? I was merely repeating the list found here :- http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major (down the right hand column) as was the original poster Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From mir@soartech.com Mon Nov 29 18:35:15 2004 From: mir@soartech.com (David Mir) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Rsync Updates Organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411291335.15986.mir@soartech.com> Again it is a time sensitive list, the point was more that it was not "some obscure distro". On Monday 29 November 2004 06:53 am, Lance Davis wrote: > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Karanbir Singh wrote: > > Lance Davis wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, David Mir wrote: > > >>Top 5 RHEL-based distributions > > >>1. White Box Enterprise Linux > > >>2. CentOS > > >>3. Lineox Enterprise Linux > > >>4. Tao Linux > > >>5. Fermi Linux > > > > > > Thats strange because I see :- > > > > > > 1. CentOS > > > 2. Lineox Enterprise Linux > > > 3. Tao Linux > > > 4. White Box Enterprise Linux > > > 5. Fermi Linux > > > > Hey Lance, > > > > What time period are you looking at ? > > I was merely repeating the list found here :- > > http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major > > (down the right hand column) > > as was the original poster > > Lance -- David Mir Systems Administrator Soar Technology, Inc. 3600 Green Ct. Ste 600 Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2588 734-327-8000 ext. 222 734-913-8537 (Fax) 269-274-4052 (Cell) www.soartech.com mir@soartech.com Mobile Text (160 chars max): mir_mobile@soartech.com From chris@math.uu.se Mon Nov 29 18:38:53 2004 From: chris@math.uu.se (Christian Nygaard) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:38:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I'm running a couple of WBEL boxes with many users on them which in turn is running out of memory thus swapping much. Now the impact is that the system only freezes for moments when its swapping out pages to disk, then everything is running fine again. Does anyone know how to tune the kernel so it swaps more constantly/swaps out less pages, so the freeze effect is not so apparent? It runs smooth for long amounts of time, then freezes for 10-15 seconds, then runs smooth again and so forth. I've tried to fiddle on vm.bdflush and vm.pagecache Thankful for any good /proc/sys/vm hints :) Chris From lscharf@aoe.vt.edu Mon Nov 29 18:55:12 2004 From: lscharf@aoe.vt.edu (Luke Scharf) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:55:12 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101754512.2933.138.camel@flybynight> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:38, Christian Nygaard wrote: > Does anyone know how to tune the > kernel so it swaps more constantly/swaps out less pages, so the freeze > effect is not so apparent? How much physical RAM? How big is/are your swap partition(s)? Thanks, -Luke -- Luke Scharf, Systems Administrator Virginia Tech Aerospace and Ocean Engineering From hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com Mon Nov 29 19:26:03 2004 From: hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com (William Warren) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:26:03 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AB77CB.6000705@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132155 This is a bug in the RHEL kernel and is a known issue. U4 is supposed to fix this. It could also be you do not have enough ram in the box. HOw much RAM is in the box and what is the box doing? Christian Nygaard wrote: > Hi I'm running a couple of WBEL boxes with many users on them which in > turn is running out of memory thus swapping much. Now the impact is that > the system only freezes for moments when its swapping out pages to disk, > then everything is running fine again. Does anyone know how to tune the > kernel so it swaps more constantly/swaps out less pages, so the freeze > effect is not so apparent? It runs smooth for long amounts of time, then > freezes for 10-15 seconds, then runs smooth again and so forth. > > I've tried to fiddle on vm.bdflush and vm.pagecache > > Thankful for any good /proc/sys/vm hints :) > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Whitebox-users mailing list > Whitebox-users@beau.org > http://beau.org/mailman/listinfo/whitebox-users > -- My "Foundation" verse: Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. -- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape" From jamesk@ifm-services.com Tue Nov 30 06:40:37 2004 From: jamesk@ifm-services.com (James Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:40:37 -0700 Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AC15E5.1010302@ifm-services.com> >system only freezes for moments when its swapping > > Yeah. I hate that in the 2.4 kernel, even with the 2.6 backports. I've not seen this behaviour under a real 2.6 kernel. The bad use of memory (per the bug) is a separate issue. The only workaround that I've been able to find is to use a tiny Perl program to chew up huge amounts of memory and release it. This forces everything to page. Then let the system restablize. But it's not a long-term solution either. The problem slowly re-apprears. Just the behaviour I've seen. From chris@math.uu.se Tue Nov 30 10:51:33 2004 From: chris@math.uu.se (Christian Nygaard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:51:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: <1101754512.2933.138.camel@flybynight> References: <1101754512.2933.138.camel@flybynight> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Luke Scharf wrote: > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:38, Christian Nygaard wrote: > > Does anyone know how to tune the > > kernel so it swaps more constantly/swaps out less pages, so the freeze > > effect is not so apparent? > > How much physical RAM? How big is/are your swap partition(s)? > > Thanks, > -Luke > The machine a dual Xeon is running with 2GB physicall, 2GB swap using ATA and 42 users running KDE :). Cheers, Chris From chris@math.uu.se Tue Nov 30 10:56:59 2004 From: chris@math.uu.se (Christian Nygaard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:56:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [WBEL-users] Virtual memory tuning? In-Reply-To: <41AC15E5.1010302@ifm-services.com> References: <41AC15E5.1010302@ifm-services.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, James Knowles wrote: > > > system only freezes for moments when its swapping > > Yeah. I hate that in the 2.4 kernel, even with the 2.6 backports. I've not > seen this behaviour under a real 2.6 kernel. Thanks haven't heard of that before, so news others are experiencing the same. > The bad use of memory (per the bug) is a separate issue. The only workaround > that I've been able to find is to use a tiny Perl program to chew up huge > amounts of memory and release it. This forces everything to page. Then let the > system restablize. But it's not a long-term solution either. The problem > slowly re-apprears. > > Just the behaviour I've seen. > I tried tuning the disk cache size down a bit using vm.pagesize since I have a feeling the cache was to large. Ie it swapped out processes in order to free disk cache :), which I'm not so sure is a good behavior during heavy memload. //Christian From linuxuser@frontiernet.net Tue Nov 30 19:32:32 2004 From: linuxuser@frontiernet.net (Paul M. Bucalo) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:32:32 -0500 Subject: [WBEL-users] Multi-language support added to existing WBEL installation Message-ID: <1101843150.2663.33.camel@pmbent1> I have a WBEL workstation that has been installed with language support only for English. My youngest daughter is a college student studying to be a linguist and needs to be able to do papers in OpenOffice (or whatever app) in Spanish and French for now, possibly other languages later on. (There has been talk about learning Arabic!) While searching for answers on how to do this, I came across this link: http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2003-August/043087.html The post implies that adding multi-language support *after* an installation is pretty difficult and/or intense, and that RH's multi-lingual support is marginal. I am not sure that I understand what is being said here, so I will make no assumptions. I'm an intermediate user of Linux, so not all things possible are even probable for me to tackle. I really don't want to install WBEL again from scratch. Neither do I want to admit that Windows makes language switching so easy. Can I accomplish the task outlined here without a re-install? If I can add the languages, will this be a Herculean feat for an intermediate like myself? If I have to install from scratch, what would I be looking to do differently at the start of Anaconda to be sure that the languages I think would be of interest to her would be made available upon completion? Lastly, once installed (through adding or re-installation), should I be able to change system language/keyboard character mapping by using Gnome's keyboard switching utility, or will this be more difficult to do? Any suggestions, pointers, links, even prayers, gratefully accepted. :0) Thanks in advance. Paul From Richard Petty Tue Nov 30 23:12:26 2004 From: Richard Petty (Richard Petty) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:12:26 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] SASL with LDAP Support Message-ID: <41ACFE5A.1020609@austin.rr.com> What is the simplest way to determine how an RPM was compiled? I want to insure that CYRUS-SASL was compiled with LDAP support. I've done a lot of reading and it appears to be a common problem of RHEL users and it may be the source of a problemt that I'm currently experiencing. --Richard From kbohling@birddog.com Tue Nov 30 23:38:53 2004 From: kbohling@birddog.com (Kirby C. Bohling) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:38:53 -0600 Subject: [WBEL-users] SASL with LDAP Support In-Reply-To: <41ACFE5A.1020609@austin.rr.com> References: <41ACFE5A.1020609@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041130233853.GA14241@hawk.birddog.com> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:12:26PM -0600, Richard Petty wrote: > What is the simplest way to determine how an RPM was compiled? I want to > insure that CYRUS-SASL was compiled with LDAP support. I'm not sure if you can get the options that were passed to the command line of rpmbuild (which would affect the macros/configure options on some packages). So I'm not sure there is any definitive way to be sure. Plus there are somethings that might be autodetected by autoconf or whatnot. I've examined the .specfile from cyrus-sasl and I don't see anything that looks like it would have added or remove LDAP support based on any options on the command line however. It does include PAM. %configure \ --enable-static --enable-staticdlopen --with-pic --enable-shared \ --with-plugindir=%{_plugindir} \ --disable-krb4 \ --enable-gssapi${krb5_prefix:+=${krb5_prefix}} \ --with-rc4 \ --with-dblib=gdbm \ --with-saslauthd=/var/run/saslauthd --without-pwcheck \ --enable-anon \ --enable-cram \ --enable-digest \ --enable-plain \ --enable-login That might help. > > I've done a lot of reading and it appears to be a common problem of RHEL > users and it may be the source of a problemt that I'm currently > experiencing. The easiest way to tell is probably this: [kbohling@hawk SPECS]$ ldd /usr/sbin/saslauthd /etc/libcwait.so => /etc/libcwait.so (0x00ad3000) libgssapi_krb5.so.2 => /usr/kerberos/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2 (0x001ab000) libkrb5.so.3 => /usr/kerberos/lib/libkrb5.so.3 (0x00f1a000) libk5crypto.so.3 => /usr/kerberos/lib/libk5crypto.so.3 (0x003c7000) libcom_err.so.3 => /usr/kerberos/lib/libcom_err.so.3 (0x00697000) libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x002f9000) libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x00b61000) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x00de6000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x001be000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x007ad000) liblaus.so.1 => /lib/liblaus.so.1 (0x009de000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00d53000) Which includes libpam.so (which could use LDAP as a plugin). However, it doesn't appear to directly link in ldap. It could be that LDAP is used as a plugin and is loaded via dlopen(). To be blantantly honest, I have no idea what cyrus-sasl does (I think it's vaguely related to authentication from what I remember hearing about it passing and a quick look at the man page). It appears that you can start it with "-a pam" and use PAM to authenticate people via LDAP. However, that's a wild stab in the dark. By default, it appears that in: /etc/rc.d/init.d/saslauthd is configured to use shadow. By adding the file /etc/sysconfig/saslauthd you should be able to override that via various environment variables. If you describe more of the problem, I might be able to help more. Thanks, Kirby