[WBEL-users] Re: Whitebox-users Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1
Dean Owensby
dean.owensby at cox.net
Sun Mar 1 22:29:50 CST 2009
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:18 -0600
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> 1. WBEL-5 ??? (Carl Krauthauser)
> 2. Re: WBEL-5 ??? (Vic)
> 3. RE: WBEL-5 ??? (Mark A. Lewis)
> 4. Re: WBEL-5 ??? (Alon)
> 5. Re: WBEL-5 ??? (Multisys, Jim)
> 6. RE: WBEL-5 ??? (Mark A. Lewis)
> 7. RE: WBEL-5 ??? (Mark A. Lewis)
> 8. Re: WBEL-5 ??? (Mike B.)
> 9. Re: WBEL-5 ??? (Multisys, Jim)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:34:01 -0500
> From: Carl Krauthauser <carl at udel.edu>
> Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: whitebox-users at beau.org
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> Hello WBEL Users,
>
> I was giving serious thought to updating my
> WBEL-4 box to an EL-5 box, and was wondering if
> there was going to be some ISOs created for a
> WBEL-5. I like the WBEL ( have been using the
> different versions since its inception), and
> would like to continue. Please let me know if
> there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> Thanks!
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Carl
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:22:50 -0000 (GMT)
> From: "Vic" <whitebox at beer.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "Carl Krauthauser" <carl at udel.edu>
> Cc: whitebox-users at beau.org
> Message-ID:
> <48285.10.0.0.4.1235845370.squirrel at 10.0.0.4>
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>
> Hello Carl,
>
> > Please let me know if
> > there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> > Thanks!
>
> There is - I'm running it in both 32-bit and
> 64-bit flavours.
>
> The release is delayed somewhat by the fact
> that I'm broke & I need to find some paying
> work. But once that's settled, there'll be a
> nice shiney WBEL5 to play with :-)
>
> Vic.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:54:05 -0500
> From: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "whitebox at beer.org.uk"
> <whitebox at beer.org.uk>, Carl Krauthauser
> <carl at udel.edu> Cc: "whitebox-users at beau.org"
> <whitebox-users at beau.org> Message-ID:
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> Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How proud
> you the WBEL team must be!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org
> [mailto:whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org] On
> Behalf Of Vic Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009
> 1:23 PM To: Carl Krauthauser Cc:
> whitebox-users at beau.org Subject: Re:
> [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Hello Carl,
>
> > Please let me know if
> > there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> > Thanks!
>
> There is - I'm running it in both 32-bit and
> 64-bit flavours.
>
> The release is delayed somewhat by the fact
> that I'm broke & I need to find some paying
> work. But once that's settled, there'll be a
> nice shiney WBEL5 to play with :-)
>
> Vic.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:00:08 +0200
> From: "Alon" <js at wsco.com>
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: <whitebox-users at beau.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> Hello Carl,
>
> I was running 2 boxes of WBEL (3, and 4) myself
> and just 2 weeks ago we retired the WBEL4 for
> CentOS 5.2. Development of WBEL has not been as
> fast as CentOS and support for it has been
> deminishing. As much as I liked WBEL, I now run
> over 50 servers with CentOS and I would urge
> you to consider migrating to the CentOS distro,
> simply for the sake of having more current
> updates. If you visit WBEL own website you will
> notice it has not been keeping up-to-date
> since... over a year (last update was in Dec
> 2007).
>
> -Alon.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Krauthauser
> To: whitebox-users at beau.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:34 PM
> Subject: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Hello WBEL Users,
>
> I was giving serious thought to updating my
> WBEL-4 box to an EL-5 box, and was wondering if
> there was going to be some ISOs created for a
> WBEL-5. I like the WBEL ( have been using the
> different versions since its inception), and
> would like to continue. Please let me know if
> there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> Thanks!
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Carl
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:51:49 -0000
> From: "Multisys, Jim" <jimkeable at multisys.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>,
> <whitebox at beer.org.uk>, "Carl Krauthauser"
> <carl at udel.edu> Cc: whitebox-users at beau.org
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> Hi Mark, how many operating systems have you
> built in the past year?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> To: <whitebox at beer.org.uk>; "Carl Krauthauser"
> <carl at udel.edu> Cc: <whitebox-users at beau.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How proud
> you the WBEL team must be!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org
> [mailto:whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org] On
> Behalf Of Vic Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009
> 1:23 PM To: Carl Krauthauser Cc:
> whitebox-users at beau.org Subject: Re:
> [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Hello Carl,
>
> > Please let me know if
> > there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> > Thanks!
>
> There is - I'm running it in both 32-bit and
> 64-bit flavours.
>
> The release is delayed somewhat by the fact
> that I'm broke & I need to find some paying
> work. But once that's settled, there'll be a
> nice shiney WBEL5 to play with :-)
>
> Vic.
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:38:38 -0500
> From: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "Multisys, Jim" <jimkeable at multisys.co.uk>,
> "whitebox at beer.org.uk" <whitebox at beer.org.uk>,
> Carl Krauthauser <carl at udel.edu> Cc:
> "whitebox-users at beau.org"
> <whitebox-users at beau.org> Message-ID:
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>
> None, but I also don't claim to have. Then
> again, neither has WBEL, it's just rerolled
> RHEL. I don't equate rebuilding source RPMs to
> building an OS. The only changes are in wording
> and logos to satisfy the RH legal requirements,
> and removing some non GPL packages.
>
> I am not sure what politics transpired between
> the WBEL crowd and the CentOS crowd, but
> lagging a year behind them is beyond sad. Just
> hang your WBEL hat up and move on. You lost the
> free Enterprise Linux race by a country mile.
>
> WBEL should seriously consider dropping the
> "Enterprise" portion of their name and call it
> White Box Hobby Linux or something, maybe Last
> Year's Enterprise Linux, LYEL for short. While
> Enterprise release cycles are much slower than
> bleeding edge releases like Fedora, not having
> the current release version available for two
> years after the parent distro is almost
> laughable (RHEL 5 released 2/28/07). What is
> the point? How can anyone trust that WBEL will
> make updates available in a timely fashion
> given these kinds of lags? For that matter, how
> can anyone take WBEL seriously with lapses like
> that? People running WBEL should be living in
> fear that their servers will be ravaged by the
> next zero day exploit for weeks or months
> before WBEL gets around to releasing an update.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Multisys, Jim
> [mailto:jimkeable at multisys.co.uk] Sent:
> Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:52 PM To: Mark A.
> Lewis; whitebox at beer.org.uk; Carl Krauthauser
> Cc: whitebox-users at beau.org Subject: Re:
> [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
> Hi Mark, how many operating systems have you
> built in the past year?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> To: <whitebox at beer.org.uk>; "Carl Krauthauser"
> <carl at udel.edu> Cc: <whitebox-users at beau.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How proud
> you the WBEL team must be!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org
> [mailto:whitebox-users-bounces at beau.org] On
> Behalf Of Vic Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009
> 1:23 PM To: Carl Krauthauser Cc:
> whitebox-users at beau.org Subject: Re:
> [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> Hello Carl,
>
> > Please let me know if
> > there is and impending release of a WBEL-5.
> > Thanks!
>
> There is - I'm running it in both 32-bit and
> 64-bit flavours.
>
> The release is delayed somewhat by the fact
> that I'm broke & I need to find some paying
> work. But once that's settled, there'll be a
> nice shiney WBEL5 to play with :-)
>
> Vic.
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:30:56 -0500
> From: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> Subject: RE: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "saber at omniphile.com" <saber at omniphile.com>
> Cc: "whitebox-users at beau.org"
> <whitebox-users at beau.org> Message-ID:
> <5AA045F9B2DA814DAEF9521193F36FD6359C954C83 at kronos.siliconjunkie.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Honestly, I used WBEL some years ago, until it
> went stagnant. I subscribed to the list then
> and never unsubscribed because it never occurs
> to me since the volume is less than one message
> per month generally.
>
> As for CentOS 4 vs WBEL 4, if they are both
> doing what they say they are, they should be
> identical. CentOS feels and acts just like my
> RHEL boxes of the same version and they are
> binary/package compatible. I would expect WBEL
> to be the same, but maybe not and that is why
> it is taking years to get to where the parent
> distro was 2 years ago. RedHat is close to
> releasing the beta for RHEL 6, meaning more
> than likely WBEL will be 2 full versions behind
> the parent distro.
>
> It's not about being "insensitive" or
> "unfeeling", it's about the laughability of an
> "Enterprise" OS, which is nothing more than a
> re-roll of RHEL and is 2 years behind. 2 years
> and 2 full versions in distro time is a eon.
>
> I am by no means a zelot, but I genuinely don't
> understand why anyone would actually run WBEL,
> with the possible exception of someone who
> deployed it in a production role and cannot
> easily migrate that role again to another OS.
> Even those users should be looking to other
> distros with more active development and the
> ability to keep up to date.
>
> Perhaps my comment was a bit harsh, but it is
> just that, my comment, it does not represent
> the CentOS developers or user community. I am
> sure many of you make the same kind of snide
> comments about Windows, and this is no
> different.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike B. [mailto:saber at omniphile.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:09 PM
> To: Mark A. Lewis
> Cc: whitebox-users at beau.org
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
> So, Mark, do you run WBEL, or do you just lurk
> here to be a troll and to show us just how
> insensitive and unfeeling the average CentOS
> proponent is to the efforts and personal
> circumstances of volunteers who don't happen to
> be among the religious zealots of the CentOS
> persuasion?
>
> FYI, I tried CentOS and didn't like it much.
> No version of Linux is perfect, but all work
> for someone. If you don't have more interest
> in WBEL than do hang around to knock it,
> perhaps you should go stick your head in a pig
> instead?
>
> -- Mike B.
>
> Mark A. Lewis wrote:
> > Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How
> > proud you the WBEL team must be!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:09:02 -0500
> From: "Mike B." <saber at omniphile.com>
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> Cc: "whitebox-users at beau.org"
> <whitebox-users at beau.org> Message-ID:
> <49A9B5FE.1030806 at omniphile.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> So, Mark, do you run WBEL, or do you just lurk
> here to be a troll and to show us just how
> insensitive and unfeeling the average CentOS
> proponent is to the efforts and personal
> circumstances of volunteers who don't happen to
> be among the religious zealots of the CentOS
> persuasion?
>
> FYI, I tried CentOS and didn't like it much.
> No version of Linux is perfect, but all work
> for someone. If you don't have more interest
> in WBEL than do hang around to knock it,
> perhaps you should go stick your head in a pig
> instead?
>
> -- Mike B.
>
> Mark A. Lewis wrote:
> > Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How
> > proud you the WBEL team must be!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:18:59 -0000
> From: "Multisys, Jim" <jimkeable at multisys.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
> To: <saber at omniphile.com>, "Mark A. Lewis"
> <Mark at siliconjunkie.net> Cc:
> whitebox-users at beau.org Message-ID:
> <4F5D424A09DD49F789ACF39ADC6B6A6C at dev01>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please forgive me for responding to an troll,
> would you all mind just dropping this one now.
>
> Mark, I'm happy and very grateful for John
> making WBEL available when he did.
>
> He built WBEL and made it available without any
> commitments (nor did I expect any) and lead the
> way for others to follow.
>
> We still have a couple of servers running happy
> after nearly 5 years.
>
> I'm also pleased with Centos which I also use.
>
> Just different teams, different objectives and
> different timings, plenty of room for everyone.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike B." <saber at omniphile.com>
> To: "Mark A. Lewis" <Mark at siliconjunkie.net>
> Cc: <whitebox-users at beau.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] WBEL-5 ???
>
>
> So, Mark, do you run WBEL, or do you just lurk
> here to be a troll and to show us just how
> insensitive and unfeeling the average CentOS
> proponent is to the efforts and personal
> circumstances of volunteers who don't happen to
> be among the religious zealots of the CentOS
> persuasion?
>
> FYI, I tried CentOS and didn't like it much.
> No version of Linux is perfect, but all work
> for someone. If you don't have more interest
> in WBEL than do hang around to knock it,
> perhaps you should go stick your head in a pig
> instead?
>
> -- Mike B.
>
> Mark A. Lewis wrote:
> > Wow, only a year after CentOS 5..... How
> > proud you the WBEL team must be!
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