sorry for this quick double post but i noticed a typo in my first message..... it is v3 not v4 of RHEL (as v4 is still beta i didn't want to confuse anyone)... hehe also i said NOT 32-bit... it WAS 32-bit and NOT 64-bit..... i appologize i shouldn't write emails and not read them before i send them when i'm so tired.... thanks again for anyone willing to help me out John