[Fwd: Re: [WBEL-users] Mailing list removal]

Wed Aug 31 18:07:32 CDT 2005

Tom Cat (and others),

Help from Linux folks often consists of prompts that require *you* to 
think a little.  The reason for this is that things stick with you a lot 
better when you arrive at the conclusion yourself.  It's the old "catch 
a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach him to fish, feed him for a 
lifetime."

Below are the headers from *your* message, decrying the poor support 
Linux folks give.  (Scroll past them, there's more below...  Sorry the 
quotes are strange - to get the headers to show up, I had to forward, so 
it's not indented.)

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Date: 	Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:45:33 -0400
From: 	Tom Cat <strycat at gmail.com>
To: 	Edward Rudd <eddie at omegaware.com>
Subject: 	Re: [WBEL-users] Mailing list removal
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On 8/30/05, Edward Rudd <eddie at omegaware.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 19:42, David Page wrote:
> > I Need off List,  I have tried Everything.
> > Typical Linux.
> 
> Getting off of a mailing list has nothing at all to do with linux.
> 

I agree with the OP.  In my experience, when you really need help the
linux crowd offers help as useless as yours.

=-=-= reply =-=-=

Look at the 6th line up from the bottom, called "List-Unsubscribe".  It's a freaking hyperlink on how to unsubscribe, and it's on *every message from this list*!

<smart_aleck_mode>
I posted this exact same thing about the headers in each e-mail no later than three weeks ago.  If the OP *really* wanted to get off the list, he should have been paying attention to the messages he was trying to avoid.
</smart_aleck_mode>

Some may see my response, minus the above paragraph, as not helpful.  Me, I think it's very helpful - I thought it was brilliance when it was first pointed out to me.  Most mailing lists have these headers on them, so that even if there's not a web-based interface, you can still get done what you need to get done.

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> > I need Help, Please, someone get me off.
> 
> There is a link at the bottom of every e-mail in the list. goto that
> link and at the very bottom of the page there is an "unsubscribe or edit
> options". Enter your e-mail address there and click the button.
> 
> Then click "Unsubscribe" on the next page.
> 

I guess you haven't been reading this list.  A large number of people
have tried that and it doesn't work.

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Again, are these people actually reading the list?  beau.org is having DNS issues, and I've seen no fewer than 2 workarounds for that.

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My only suggestion is to set up your email software to send an
autoresponse back to the list every time it sends you an unwanted
email.  With luck you'll get an email loop which will bring down the
server this mail list is hosted on.  At the very least it should get
the attention of someone who can then remove you.  The only problem is
it will make everyone on the list not very happy and beau.org has some
kind of government relation so you'll probably have to deal with the
FBI for attacking their server.

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So, the only reason you're not encouraging a DOS attack is because you'd get in trouble?  And you wonder why people may not be helpful to you?

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It's a shame that whitebox has sunk so low.  I think it is time for
everyone to unsubscribe.  From what I've read on this list, the
project is dead anyway.

=-=-= reply =-=-=

So now you're reading the messages?  :)  Which is it?  Or are you only reading the other disenchanted people's messages?

John (Morris) has posted about the problems they're having with their IT department, which is causing a lot of headaches.  Additionally, he's got errata for 3 *and* 4 to get done.  Now, he's got this big mess from Katrina.  If that's not acceptable, then by all means, go find something that'll fit your needs.  If you're wanting RHEL, try CentOS or TaoLinux.  If you're really up for an adventure, give SimplyMEPIS a spin.  (I've actually got this laptop set to triple-boot WBEL4, SimplyMEPIS, and Windows XP.)  But, there's little that your negativity to doing to help the situation.

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