FW: [WBEL-users] WBEL et al...
Johnny Hughes
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com
Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:51:08 -0500
--=-XtR3EIyYqCvST+b9MzKn
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 11:11, Manley, Johnny wrote:
> I don=92t get your point=85 these are browser windows, designed to look
> similar (to a degree). I think when folks say Linux is ugly and
> Windows is beautiful they are comparing Nautilus to Windows Explorer,
> OpenOffice to MS Word, etc=85 which in my opinion they are right; Gnome
> and KDE remind me of Windows 3.1, maybe NT4.0ish in some respects.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Win Explorer hangs and crashes, Nautilus hangs and crashes, Word hangs
> and crashes, OO hangs and crashes and I don=92t even want to start an
> empirical discussion of which does it more=85 blah blah blah.
>=20
I was addressing alex66's comments about fonts and how ugly they are in
linux ... which is untrue.
As well, my Nautilus doesn't hang, nor have I had any problems with OOo
hanging...but that is a discussion for a different day
> =20
>=20
> I think the main schism here is the difference between =93Server=94 and
> =93Workstation=94. Klaus doesn=92t =93run a gui=94 and does everything fr=
om a
> command line; sounds like a DBA to me ;-). Correlating performance,
> event and security data from across a global enterprise and turning it
> into information for decision support doesn=92t happen at the command
> line, that=92s not what it was designed for. IMHO the command line is a
> surgically precise tool but highly myopic and unintuitive, especially
> to beginners and converts.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> That brings up what I think are the real shortcomings of ANY Linux
> distro at this point: usability; or more correctly =93non-technical,
> user-intuitive, user-friendly operation=94. Specifically:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> 1.) Setup.exe versus rpm =96ivh
> linux-i386-sadfasdfhgha-asgs23-346.1234f123123.tar.gz --- DOH! You
> must download and install glibc-i686 and downgrade nolib-i386 then
> re-run yummy up2date=85 DOH! Now, after installation, edit text files,
> hunt for executables, DOH! Change permissions then execute! DOH! Add
> =96a =96e =96i =96o =96u and sometimes =96y options to executable on comm=
and line=85
> why are there are no icons in the menus or on the desktop?... ad
> nauseum=85
>=20
> =20
I do agree that for users who are technically challenged, linux is not
the way that they should go. But if you can run linux in console mode
already...and use WinXP, you will certainly feel quite at home with
either KDE or GNOME. I think that the group Eadem Enterprise was trying
to market are people who can install linux in console mode...
I have 3 WinXP computers in my house (1 workstation each for me, my
wife, and my daughter). I also have 4 Linux machines to do real things
with...=20
--=-XtR3EIyYqCvST+b9MzKn
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8">
<META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.0.9">
</HEAD>
<BODY LINK="#0000ff">
On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 11:11, Manley, Johnny wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"><I>I don’t get your point… these are browser windows, designed to look similar (to a degree). I think when folks say Linux is ugly and Windows is beautiful they are comparing Nautilus to Windows Explorer, OpenOffice to MS Word, etc… which in my opinion they are right; Gnome and KDE remind me of Windows 3.1, maybe NT4.0ish in some respects.</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"> </FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2">Win Explorer hangs and crashes, Nautilus hangs and crashes, Word hangs and crashes, OO hangs and crashes and I don’t even want to start an empirical discussion of which does it more… blah blah blah.</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></I></FONT><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<FONT SIZE="2">I was addressing <B>alex66's</B> comments about fonts and how ugly they are in linux ... which is untrue.<BR>
<BR>
As well, my Nautilus doesn't hang, nor have I had any problems with OOo hanging...but that is a discussion for a different day<BR>
</FONT><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"><I> </FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2">I think the main schism here is the difference between “Server” and “Workstation”. Klaus doesn’t “run a gui” and does everything from a command line; sounds like a DBA to me ;-). Correlating performance, event and security data from across a global enterprise and turning it into information for decision support doesn’t happen at the command line, that’s not what it was designed for. IMHO the command line is a surgically precise tool but highly myopic and unintuitive, especially to beginners and converts.</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"> </FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2">That brings up what I think are the real shortcomings of ANY Linux distro at this point: usability; or more correctly “non-technical, user-intuitive, user-friendly operation”. Specifically:</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"> </FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2">1.)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="1"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2">Setup.exe versus rpm –ivh linux-i386-sadfasdfhgha-asgs23-346.1234f123123.tar.gz --- DOH! You must download and install glibc-i686 and downgrade nolib-i386 then re-run yummy up2date… DOH! Now, after installation, edit text files, hunt for executables, DOH! Change permissions then execute! DOH! Add –a –e –i –o –u and sometimes –y options to executable on command line… why are there are no icons in the menus or on the desktop?... ad nauseum…</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#737373"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR="#000080" SIZE="2"> </I></FONT>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
I do agree that for users who are technically challenged, linux is not the way that they should go. But if you can run linux in console mode already...and use WinXP, you will certainly feel quite at home with either KDE or GNOME. I think that the group Eadem Enterprise was trying to market are people who can install linux in console mode...<BR>
<BR>
I have 3 WinXP computers in my house (1 workstation each for me, my wife, and my daughter). I also have 4 Linux machines to do real things with... <BR>
<BR>
</BODY>
</HTML>
--=-XtR3EIyYqCvST+b9MzKn--