[WBEL-users] Re: Whitebox-users digest, Vol 1 #336 - 2 msgs
Dean Owensby
owensby@access4less.net
Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:37:07 -0400
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>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:20:16 -0400
>From: John Hinton <webmaster@ew3d.com>
>To: Whitebox Users <whitebox-users@beau.org>
>Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Character Set Changes - Missing Chars
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>James Knowles wrote:
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>>>Various websites ... have ? marks on the pages.
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>>Ooohhh... I never noticed this. Yes, I see ? instead of © (©).
>>
>>I have the default character set configured for UTF-8. However, if I
>>manually change to ISO-8859-1 [on mozilla use View | Character
>>Encoding | Western (ISO-8859-1)], *then* I see the copyright symbol.
>>(I'm looking at the bottom of http://www.thearma.org/ for the
>>copyright symbol.)
>>
>>I've not tried to hunt down any page that uses middot.
>>
>>I don't know that it's a m$ conspiracy as much as arrogantly presuming
>>that "everybody" will see it fine since "everybody" is using IE on
>>Win32... combined with the fact that m$ hasn't given a rip about
>>standards except when they're lagging behind everybody else
>>("embrace"). When they catch up then they'll "extend" the standards in
>>a way (such as you see), that will "not break anything" [if you're not
>>running IE on Win32].
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>What's happening, is because RHEL/WBEL can't figure out what the char
>is, it is delivering an unreadable replacement char, which does not work
>for anyone running MSIE on a Win machine. And Mozilla is doing the same
>thing on Win32. The problem is the delivery to the browser.
>
>I'll try the char set changes. Odd that even though RedHat ask for
>language and such on the way in, they decided to default to this set.
>Man... I hate messing with char sets! Will have to do this on a test box
>first to see what breaks. This has driven me nuts!! Why why why??? We
>back up in the name of progress.....
>
>Thanks,
>John Hinton
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I tried arma.org on Mandrake 10 KDE, using Netscape 7.1. Odd, that
Mandrake as a RH rpm clone, and Netscape as a closet version of Mozilla,
displays the chars in default. Same results in SuSE 9.1 Pro.
Maybe do a "diff" on them, to find the magic missile?
luck - O.
dfowensby@netscape.net
norfolk, va
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:20:16 -0400
From: John Hinton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:webmaster@ew3d.com"><webmaster@ew3d.com></a>
To: Whitebox Users <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:whitebox-users@beau.org"><whitebox-users@beau.org></a>
Subject: Re: [WBEL-users] Character Set Changes - Missing Chars
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<pre wrap="">Various websites ... have ? marks on the pages.
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Ooohhh... I never noticed this. Yes, I see ? instead of © (&copy;).
I have the default character set configured for UTF-8. However, if I
manually change to ISO-8859-1 [on mozilla use View | Character
Encoding | Western (ISO-8859-1)], *then* I see the copyright symbol.
(I'm looking at the bottom of <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thearma.org/">http://www.thearma.org/</a> for the
copyright symbol.)
I've not tried to hunt down any page that uses middot.
I don't know that it's a m$ conspiracy as much as arrogantly presuming
that "everybody" will see it fine since "everybody" is using IE on
Win32... combined with the fact that m$ hasn't given a rip about
standards except when they're lagging behind everybody else
("embrace"). When they catch up then they'll "extend" the standards in
a way (such as you see), that will "not break anything" [if you're not
running IE on Win32].
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<pre wrap=""><!---->What's happening, is because RHEL/WBEL can't figure out what the char
is, it is delivering an unreadable replacement char, which does not work
for anyone running MSIE on a Win machine. And Mozilla is doing the same
thing on Win32. The problem is the delivery to the browser.
I'll try the char set changes. Odd that even though RedHat ask for
language and such on the way in, they decided to default to this set.
Man... I hate messing with char sets! Will have to do this on a test box
first to see what breaks. This has driven me nuts!! Why why why??? We
back up in the name of progress.....
Thanks,
John Hinton
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I tried arma.org on Mandrake 10 KDE, using Netscape 7.1. Odd, that
Mandrake as a RH rpm clone, and Netscape as a closet version of
Mozilla, displays the chars in default. Same results in SuSE 9.1 Pro.<br>
Maybe do a "diff" on them, to find the magic missile?<br>
<br>
luck - O.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dfowensby@netscape.net">dfowensby@netscape.net</a><br>
norfolk, va<br>
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